Ahmadinejad: Holocaust A 'Big Deception'

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ALI AKBAR DAREINI | June 3, 2009 05:56 PM EST | AP

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Two female supporters of the leading reformist Iranian presidential candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi hold his posters as they adjust their scarves during an electoral campaign rally in Tehran, Iran, Wednesday, June 3, 2009. Mousavi is President Ahmadinejad's main pro-reform rival for the June 12 elections. The name of the candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi is written on the poster in the Farsi language. (AP Photo/Vahid Salemi)

TEHRAN, Iran — The main pro-reform candidate accused hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of driving Iran toward "dictatorship" and hurting its standing in the world by questioning the Holocaust, during a rare and unprecedentedly raucous election debate Wednesday.

During the 90-minute debate, televised live, Ahmadinejad and opponent Mir Hossein Mousavi traded frank and direct criticisms that are unheard of in Iranian politics, where clashes are usually veiled in elliptical, polite language.

Often, Mousavi appeared confident and repeatedly kept Ahmadinejad off balance with sweeping charges about Iran's internal troubles and its shortcomings on the international stage.

"Your method (of government) definitely leads to dictatorship," Mousavi told Ahmadinejad, who fidgeted in his chair often through the debate and gave scornful smiles as Mousavi spoke.

Mousavi also said Iran has been "downgraded" in the eyes of world by Ahmadinejad's firebrand style and statements. Just hours earlier, Ahmadinejad called the Holocaust a "big deception" and claimed Israel uses it to sway international support.

"Our nation's dignity has been harmed. We've been degraded. There has been increasing tension (under Ahmadinejad). ... Is it in our interests?" Mousavi said.

Mousavi and Ahmadinejad are in an increasingly tight race heading into the June 12 election. The outcome will set the tone of Iran's policies on crucial issues ahead such as its standoff with the West over its nuclear ambitions and the possibility of groundbreaking talks with Washington after a nearly 30-year diplomatic freeze.

Mousavi and the reformers are in favor of better ties with the West and Washington and greater freedoms at home, while Ahmadinejad has taken a tougher stance abroad and domestically.

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In Paris, French President Nicolas Sarkozy told Iran's foreign minister, Manoucher Mottaki, that Iran faces greater isolation if it refuses to negotiate over its nuclear program. Sarkozy also denounced Ahmadinejad's questioning of the Holocaust as "shocking."

Ahmadinejad's bid for re-election has been burdened by Iran's stumbling economy and accusations from rivals that his confrontational policies have left Iran with few friends in the world.

Iran has not held a presidential debate since 1997, when four candidates spoke in a rather staid, polite affair.

In Wednesday's debate, Ahmadinejad and Mousavi sat face-to-face across a table, while a moderator sitting between them said little. At times Ahmadinejad shouted and interrupted Mousavi, who did not raise his voice.

Ahmadinejad accused two former presidents _ Mohammad Khatami and Hashem Rafsanjani _ of joining forces with Mousavi to wage a campaign of "lies" against him.

"I'm not fighting against one candidate," Ahmadinejad complained during the debate. "I'm standing against a combination led by Rafsanjani and with the cooperation of Mousavi and Khatami."

Ahmadinejad also named a long list of former top officials he accused of "corruption," including Rafsanjani and his sons _ a rather unbridled move, since Iranian politicians often avoid naming names directly in their attacks on opponents.

Rafsanjani is a powerful figure in Iran's clerical leadership and is seen as an influential political insider. He has not publicly backed any candidate, but he is believed to support anyone against Ahmadinejad. Also in the race are another reformist _ former parliament speaker Mahdi Karroubi _ and hard-liner Mohsen Rezaei, a former commander of the powerful Revolutionary Guard.

Mousavi, in turn, charged that Ahmadinejad's foreign policy suffered from "adventurism, instability, emotionalism, superstition, and extremism."

He also called Ahmadinejad an "odd" person to talk to.

After the debate, supporters of both candidates took to the streets near the state-TV building where it took place.

"God is great" and "Ahmadinejad is our love" the president's backers shouted, while Mousavi supporters chanted, "Ahmadi-bye-bye."

Leading political analyst Saeed Leilaz said the debate would further polarize Iran.

"Ahmadinejad's style is like a person who is sinking in a quagmire and resorts to anything to survive," he said.

Ahmadinejad can still count on strong backing from the ruling theocracy, which has the final say in all important policy matters and is capable of mobilizing millions of votes. But Mousavi's "green movement" _ named for the color adopted as a campaign symbol _ appears to be gaining serious ground among young voters as the race moves into the final week.

Shortly before the debate, Ahmadinejad told a gathering of international scholars that Israel uses the "big deception of the Holocaust" to gain allies in the West.

In April at the U.N.'s conference against racism in Geneva, the Iranian president accused the West of using the Holocaust as a "pretext" for aggression against Palestinians, provoking walkouts by delegates.

Ahmadinejad said in 2005 that Israel should be "wiped off the map" and later called the Holocaust a "myth."

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Associated Press Writer Laurent Pirot in Paris contributed to this report.

TEHRAN, Iran — The main pro-reform candidate accused hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of driving Iran toward "dictatorship" and hurting its standing in the world by questioning the Holoca...
TEHRAN, Iran — The main pro-reform candidate accused hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of driving Iran toward "dictatorship" and hurting its standing in the world by questioning the Holoca...
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He's not the only guy denying Genocide. Our own President and the nation of Israel have yet to acknowledge the Armenian Genocide as a GENOCIDE and have failed to do anything about the Genocide in Darfur. When the most powerful nation fails to recognize Genocide, how can we expect a guy like this to be any better?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 AM on 06/04/2009
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Ahamadienjad is not "failing to recognize" Holocaust, he's 'actively denying' its occurrence. There's a huge difference. Learn the difference, if you can.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 06/04/2009

Staying silent is the same thing in my mind, thank you very much.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 06/09/2009
- GZLives I'm a Fan of GZLives 41 fans permalink

Why is it so difficult to recognize that this guy really is a demagogue?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 06/12/2009
- greatscot I'm a Fan of greatscot 31 fans permalink

The U.S. MSM have twisted Ahmadinejad's words many times to make him out to be a buffoon. How do we know that any translation offerred by"an interested party" is not actually a false & misleading one. Aipac, American Zionists like Dershowitz, and American neo-cons have also provided and/or repeated misleading translations to bound and rebound in the great echo chamber that is U.S. public opinion today. Let's see a translation from a disinterested third party before heaping scorn.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 AM on 06/04/2009
- eran24 I'm a Fan of eran24 2 fans permalink

man, not everything is a conspiracy.
I know that you wish that he didnt say those things because you would like to believe something that he's not, but common - he said those kind of remarks several times. it is recorded on video, and any persian speaking person will translate it the same way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 AM on 06/04/2009
- joeinvt I'm a Fan of joeinvt 10 fans permalink

Oh no...not "the Ahmadinejad is a peace loving sweetheart of a guy who is misunderstood, mistranslated, and maligned by those crafty Jews" defense. Whatever your position may be regarding Israel's right to exist, Ahmadijad has made his views clear time and again. It doesn't take a Farsi scholar to know which way the wind is blowing, does it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 AM on 06/04/2009
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Ahmadinejad is a buffoon beyond redemption. This is indisputable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 06/04/2009
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re."Let's see a translation from a disinterested third party before heaping scorn."
Al Jazeera article
"Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, has again caused international outcry by repeating his view that the Holocaust was a myth. In a speech broadcast live on state television on Wednesday, Ahmadinejad told a crowd in the southern city of Zahedan: "They have fabricated a legend under the name Massacre of the Jews, and they hold it higher than God himself, religion itself and the prophets themselves."
http://english.aljazeera.net/archive/2005/12/200849154418141136.html

Is al jazeera "disinterested party" enough for you?
Now go away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 06/04/2009
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Yes, Ahamdi talk clownish nonsense. May be no one will notice how Iranian economy has collapsed under your watch, the unemployment is sky high and other Islamic governments treat you're a leper.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 06/03/2009
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Hopefully the election next week will end without anyone getting over 50% of the votes. Then they'll have a two man runoff and Ahmadinejad will lose. He's done a horrible job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 06/03/2009
- TainoBoy I'm a Fan of TainoBoy 40 fans permalink
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The guy is a joke!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 06/03/2009
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There have been too many cases where Ahmadinejad's statements have been mistranslated in such a way as to be much more extreme than they really were.

It is not possible to believe the translations provided by the main stream western media.

I think I willl wait to see what he really said based on the reports of more trustworthy translators.

Maybe it will be the same.

Probably it will be different.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 06/03/2009
- b93950 I'm a Fan of b93950 4 fans permalink
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I often wonder why only idiots are usually picked as leaders

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 06/03/2009
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strange bedfellows that don't believe in the holocaust: fundamentalist white supremacists and fundamentalist muslim supremacists. fascinating!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 06/03/2009
- sokolof I'm a Fan of sokolof 7 fans permalink

The Holocaust had happened no denying it and it was inhuman and hate. However, since then there are many people who died due to despot governments in collaborations with the west with cover operation. To name a few: 5 million in the Congo, almost a million in Rwanda, East Timor, Darfur, etc, if you add all that it is really depopulation, of course Armenians there are still many killings around the world that we don't know about. Yet, little do you hear about these genocide but we hear the Genocide of Jews evenethough it was despicable, we hear it every where, through movies, news, everywhere, we are constantly bombarded by it since there have been many despicable genocide. It is time Israel to move on live in peace and let go. Otherwise, fear and insecurity will be perpetuated in Israeli's life as a result, their actions against Palestinians seem odd. They need to learn to coexist. The settlers to me seem very violent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 PM on 06/03/2009
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"The settlers to me seem very violent."
Oh, really? But then again, you you obviously think suicide bombers are not violent. because you support their cause... typical lack of coherency.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 PM on 06/03/2009
- GZLives I'm a Fan of GZLives 41 fans permalink

You are really amusing ...
History does NOT exist in a vacuum.
Who won't coexist with who?
The Arabs rejected their state in 1947 and attempted to kill the newly reborn Israeli state which did accept partition.

And the Arabs did did it again in 1967

Please try and remember that before you accuse Israel of being guilty of exactly what the Arabs are guilty of.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 06/12/2009
- sokolof I'm a Fan of sokolof 7 fans permalink

It doesn't matter though, he should still not deny the holocaust. It happened. Even though it happened is Israel using it to gain support? Perhaps.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 06/03/2009
- BlueZoo I'm a Fan of BlueZoo 43 fans permalink

Good grief but I'm getting tired of this man dragging out this subject of his every time he wants to inflame his followers! It's really getting old!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 06/03/2009
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 141 fans permalink

I am a supporter of President Obama's offer of diplomacy to Iran. At the same type, I am tired of Ahmadinejad, as i am sure many Iranians are. His denial of the Holocaust is nonsensical and Iran deserves a better leader. I am sure Obama's more moderate approach will help moderate elements in Iran come forward and hopefully win the election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 06/03/2009
- alumcreek I'm a Fan of alumcreek 17 fans permalink

The Persian empire was just a sick fantasy by some author. It never existed. There has never been anyone in Iran with sufficient intellect to run a government or an empire.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 06/03/2009
- Betrayed I'm a Fan of Betrayed 37 fans permalink

A man Obama can reason with.
Nothing good will come from trying to reason with this clown.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 06/03/2009
- commarcos I'm a Fan of commarcos 3 fans permalink

You do realize he does not control Iran don't you? Because if you don't you should probably look it up. Plus comments like that do nothing to help legitimize the increasing push towards democracy within the Iranian public, which is obviously not ignored by the internal regime. If we continue to alienate them then there is a good chance that they will clamp down further. Democracy cannot be avoided if it is the desire of a united opposition. This was proven by the women following Iran's world cup success. In no way is diplomacy condoning rhetoric or actions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 06/03/2009
- AtheistUS I'm a Fan of AtheistUS 63 fans permalink
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A debate rarely (almost never) changes views of an opponent.

A debate changes views of debate audience.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 PM on 06/03/2009

Seems that Ahmadinejad is to Iran what George W. Bush was to America. We of all people should understand. Let's hope for a positive change soon...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 06/03/2009
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