Carradine Had Rope Around Genitals: Thai Police

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MICHAEL CASEY | 06/ 5/09 09:28 PM | AP

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A Thai forensic official walks out of his office in the compound of Chulalongkorn hospital where the body of Hollywood actor David Carradine is kept Friday, June 5, 2009 in Bangkok, Thailand. Carradine, star of the 1970s TV series "Kung Fu" who also had a wide-ranging career in the movies, has been found dead in Bangkok. A news report said he was found hanged in his hotel room and was believed to have committed suicide. (AP Photo/Apichart Weerawong)

BANGKOK — Police are speculating that accidental suffocation, not suicide, may have caused the death of American cult actor David Carradine, whose body was found in a hotel closet in the Thai capital with a rope tied to his neck, wrist and genitals.

Celebrity blogs and social networking Web sites were abuzz with news of the death of Carradine _ best known for the 1970s TV series "Kung Fu." The circumstances under which he died have led to speculation that the 72-year-old actor may have been engaged in a dangerous form of sex play known as auto-erotic asphyxiation.

The practice involves temporarily cutting off the supply of oxygen to the brain to heighten the effects of a sexual climax.

Carradine's body was discovered Thursday morning in his luxury suite by a chambermaid at Bangkok's Swissotel Nai Lert Park Hotel, said its general manager, Aurelio Giraudo. Police embassy representatives while preparations were being made for its repatriation to the United States, expected to be in the next few days. Under U.S. privacy laws, the embassy is not allowed to release further details without permission of the family of the deceased.

Dr. Nanthana Sirisap, director of Chulalongkorn Hospital's Autopsy Center, told reporters that the autopsy was conducted because of the "unusual circumstances surrounding Carradine's death," but did not elaborate.

Police Lt. Teerapop Luanseng had said Thursday that Carradine's body was found "naked, hanging in a closet," and police at that time suspected suicide. However, no suicide note has been found.

Carradine's friends and associates insisted he would not kill himself.

"All we can say is, we know David would never have committed suicide," said Tiffany Smith of Binder & Associates, his management company. "We're just waiting for them to finish the investigation and find out what really happened. He really appreciated everything life has to give ... and that's not something David would ever do to himself."

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Pornthip Rojanasunand, director of Thailand's Central Institute of Forensic Science, said the circumstances suggested that Carradine may have died performing auto-erotic asphyxiation, which is said to result in a form of giddiness and euphoria _ similar to alcohol or drug intoxication _ that enhances the sexual experience.

"In some cases it can suggest murder, too. But sometimes when the victim is naked and in bondage, it can suggest that the victim is doing it to himself," said Pornthip, who is considered the country's top criminal forensics expert but who did not take part in the autopsy. "If you hang yourself by the neck, you don't need so much pressure to kill yourself. Those who get highly sexually aroused tend to forget this fact."

Carradine had flown to Thailand last week and began work on a film titled "Stretch" two days before his death, Smith said. He had several other projects lined up after the action film, which was being directed by Charles de Meaux.

Carradine was in good spirits when he left the U.S. for Thailand on May 29 to work on "Stretch," his manager Smith said by phone from Beverly Hills.

Monica Donati, a spokesman for the French film company MK2, which was making "Stretch," said in statement from Paris that the film crew in Bangkok was "clearly shocked" by Carradine's death but would finish shooting. Carradine only had three more days of filming left in Bangkok, she said.

"David was apparently very happy about this new role and about filming again," she said.

Hotel manager Giraudo described Carradine as "very much a person full of life" who chatted with the staff.

"He was a great piano player and played a few nights in the hotel lobby," he said, "He also played the flute and the guests really enjoyed it. I mentioned to him that I had seen (the movie) 'Crank' with my family and that was the last smile he gave me."

Carradine, a martial arts practitioner himself, was best known for the U.S. TV series "Kung Fu," which aired in 1972-75. He played Kwai Chang Caine, an orphan who was raised by Shaolin monks and fled China after killing the emperor's nephew in retaliation for the murder of his kung fu master.

Carradine also appeared in more than 100 feature films with such directors as Martin Scorsese, Ingmar Bergman and Hal Ashby.

He returned to the top in recent years as the title character in Quentin Tarantino's two-part saga "Kill Bill." Bill, the worldly father figure of a pack of crack assassins, was a shadowy presence in 2003's "Kill Bill _ Vol. 1." In that film, one of Bill's former assassins (Uma Thurman) begins a vengeful rampage against her old associates, including Bill.

BANGKOK — Police are speculating that accidental suffocation, not suicide, may have caused the death of American cult actor David Carradine, whose body was found in a hotel closet in the Thai ca...
BANGKOK — Police are speculating that accidental suffocation, not suicide, may have caused the death of American cult actor David Carradine, whose body was found in a hotel closet in the Thai ca...
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excerpt from http://magickpapers.com/blog/

Curioser and curioser, I roll down to Pattaya Beach to interview Peter Rnic, the actor and publican. Peter is a crack character actor in films. He also owns the Celebrity Corner, a happening pub in Pattaya. Peter totally debunks the theory that Carradine committed suicide.

Back at the penthouse lair of David Winters in Bangkok, things are hotting up. He dictates a birthday greeting for Nancy Sinatra to his secretary Mina, a pretty and vivacious Thai girl. The greeting sparkles with bonhomie. He reminds her of the beauty of their friendship, and the love her father, Frank Sinatra, expressed to David re Nancy.

Bob Burns, senior reporter for Globe magazine has contacted David. He is fascinated by the theory espoused by Wnters, that a katoey carried out the murder, and the crime scene was staged. Burns and Winters conduct an interview by phone.

David refers me to an article in The Nation Newspaper. Forensic pathologist Dr Michael Biden , the former chief examiner for New York City, determined that Carradine did not commit suicide. He conducted the autopsy in California, and concluded more information was needed from Thai authorities before reaching a final determination of the case.

excerpt from a fairly long post at http://magickpapers.com/blog/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 AM on 06/12/2009
- EON8 I'm a Fan of EON8 permalink

If you go to EON8.com you can see the actual photo!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 AM on 06/11/2009
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And the film was called, "Stretch?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 06/09/2009
- 78Thomas I'm a Fan of 78Thomas 3 fans permalink

Those photos, if one sees them, I believe any reasonable person can tell its not that of Carradine or of any man his age.
Those were purposely blurry/low resolution of someone else posing just to sell a news paper (even the cheapest camera phones have better quality than that).

My employer posted me in Bangkok for 4 years (just returned 1.5 years ago) and I lived catty-corner to the Nai Lert hotel (could see it out the kitchen window across from the UK embassy). The photos published are not of the rooms in the Nai Lert.

And yes, it is common for a newspaper to show carnage in Thailand. But then again, just open a Time or Newsweek and you can see someones family member (usually some random 3rd world person) dead/mangled.

Having said all that. I ready for the headline to disappear. Enough.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 06/09/2009

SWEET

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 AM on 06/09/2009
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Too Much Information.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 06/08/2009
- MJinCanada I'm a Fan of MJinCanada 103 fans permalink

This is a sad and embarrassing way to die.

The three rules on sex and drugs I gave to my kids are:
1. Stay away from the really dangerous stuff.
2. Get all your supplies from a safe and reputable source.
3. Be with someone you trust with your life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 PM on 06/08/2009
- elcojonu I'm a Fan of elcojonu 28 fans permalink

What a show !
Done in by playing with his own CJ's !
And this guy was into Taoism ? !
An insult to all the practioners and masters of the ' way ' !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 06/08/2009
- kbkw54 I'm a Fan of kbkw54 57 fans permalink

Carradine was a has been actor. He was in debt. He was trying to make a comeback.
His death is an embarrassment to his family.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 PM on 06/08/2009

You know, I like David Carradine's work, and I believe he has made a significant contribution to our popular culture over 4 decades.

I really feel that Huffpost has done him & his family a great disservice with the tabloid-style, graphic expose' headline that is strictly created to drive hype, and utterly lacking in any personal sensitivity.

I'm really beginning to dislike that aspect of Huffpost, and it's driving me away.

The Huffpost headlines are getting so extreme, they're becoming the Fox of the Left.

Take care, editors, lest you assume as comical a position as Bizarro-Fox.

My sympathies to Mr. Carradine's family & friends.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 06/08/2009
- vinainor I'm a Fan of vinainor 9 fans permalink
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Definitely sounds like a sex act gone bad. Just wondering why he had to do this in Thailand where sexual fantasies for many people come true. However, if it was "auto"erotic, then this could have happened anywhere but, it just happened to be in Thailand this time? If so, Thailand unnecessarily got a bad rap for this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 06/08/2009

maybe he was Thailand to experience auto-erotic asphyxiation with a Katoy, there are many of them in this country. some people are just kinky like that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 06/08/2009
- JJThinking I'm a Fan of JJThinking 21 fans permalink
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I'm sorry for the family for their loss and for having to have this played out on an international stage, but unfortunately, the new info coming out confirms that he died in some kind of sex act gone wrong, not in a suicide or a murder. I think that the request for an FBI probe was done as a way to try to cope with the shock and embarrassment of what really happened.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 06/08/2009
- DonCosenza I'm a Fan of DonCosenza 27 fans permalink
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The only time I care if there is a rope around someone's genitals is if they are my genitals.

Is it too much to ask to not have to see this stupid headline every time I visit the front page?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 06/08/2009
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