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In Buchenwald, Obama Targets Holocaust Denial

MARK S. SMITH   06/ 5/09 04:26 AM ET   AP

Buchenwald

DRESDEN, Germany — In a solemn rendezvous with history, President Barack Obama will visit a scene of the 20th century's great European horror to make an urgent point about the fear that still stalks its survivors.

After meeting with Chancellor Angela Merkel in this city crushed by allied bombing in World War II, Obama was to fly by helicopter Friday to the Buchenwald concentration camp, where an estimated 56,000 people perished. Most were Jews _ worked to death, shot or hanged by Nazi guards.

The visit comes on the eve of commemorations in France of the 65th anniversary of the Allies' D-Day invasion _ and the day after Obama's long-awaited speech to the Muslim world seeking a fresh start in relations with America.

The speech in Cairo included a scathing indictment of those who question the Holocaust. To do so, he said, "is baseless, it is ignorant, and it is hateful."

In a reference to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has expressed doubts that 6 million Jews died at the hands of the Nazis and who has urged that Israel be wiped from the map, Obama said, "Threatening Israel with destruction or repeating vile stereotypes about Jews is deeply wrong and only serves to evoke in the minds of the Israelis this most painful of memories while preventing the peace that the people of this region deserve."

The Buchenwald stop _ Obama is the first U.S. president to visit the forced labor camp _ was also personal. A great-uncle helped liberate a nearby satellite camp, Ohrdruf, in early April 1945 just days before other U.S. Army units overran Buchenwald.

"It was full of people," Charlie Payne, now 84, recalled of Ohrdruf by phone from his Chicago home. "The people were in terrible shape, dressed in rags, most of them emaciated. Practically skin and bones."

Ohrdruf no longer stands. But Buchenwald's main gate, crematorium, hospital and two guard towers have been kept as a memorial.

Following the tour, Obama was flying to Landstuhl medical hospital for private visits with U.S. troops recovering from wounds sustained in Iraq and Afghanistan. And he was ending the day in Paris _ reuniting with his wife, Michelle, and daughters Malia and Sasha, who planned a brief holiday in the City of Light after the Normandy ceremonies.

Iran and the slumping global economy were the main subjects of Obama's meeting with Merkel at a castle in this eastern city on the Elbe River. Merkel's government has worked closely with the Obama administration on so-far-unavailing efforts to get Iran to freeze its nuclear program.

However, the president needed to tread lightly in the talks, since Merkel is campaigning to keep her job in a September election contest with her foreign minister, Social Democrat Frank-Walter Steinmeier.

Dresden is a city with its own bitter wartime memories. Starting on the night of Feb. 13, 1945, first British, then American bombers pounded the defenseless and largely non-strategic architectural gem, igniting a firestorm in which 25,000 people died _ and in so doing, creating an enduring controversy.

Aides said Obama did not plan to address the firebombing, and was in Dresden at the invitation of Merkel, who hails from her country's East.

The Normandy observance at the U.S. cemetery in Colleville-sur-Mer also was to be a moment for family memories. Obama's grandfather, Stanley Dunham, came ashore at Omaha Beach six weeks after D-Day. Dunham's older brother Ralph hit Omaha on D-Day plus four.

The president summoned family memories on Thursday in making his plea for understanding to the world's 1.5 billion Muslims.

Speaking at the main auditorium of Cairo University, Obama, a Christian whose father was a Kenyan Muslim, recalled living with his mother in Jakarta.

"As a boy, I spent several years in Indonesia and heard the call of the azaan at the break of dawn and at the fall of dusk," he reminisced.

Obama said his life's experience has taught him Islam is a religion of peace and justice.

"The enduring faith of over a billion people," he said, "is so much bigger than the narrow hatred of a few."

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Associated Press writers Jennifer Loven in Cairo, Melissa Eddy in Berlin and Jochen Wiesigel in Ohrdruf contributed to this report.

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05:25 AM on 06/07/2009
Yo, this is America and you can believe what you want. There should be debates and discussions about the Holocaust. Holocaust believer should answer the questions raised about the exact number of Jewish victim. And stop dismissing their question withs a automatic name-calling label...Holocaust deniers. I also question the stale argument that the Holocaust is the most horrific act in the history of man. I hear so much chatter that you would think that the Holocaust has more significance and evil horrors than WWII, D Day, genocide of the American Indian and the burtal enslavement of African.
01:40 AM on 06/06/2009
The long and short of it is that those who deny the Holocaust, or wish it forgotten, want to try again.
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01:11 AM on 06/06/2009
Here's cheney at the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz, what a difference!
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westcoastsc
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhe
03:25 PM on 06/05/2009
He now needs to address the planning or the allowing to happen of the events in New York. The only way to exploit tragic events in such a complete way as the Bush Administration did is to know that it is going to happen.
http://www.historycommons.org/essay.jsp?article=essaytheytriedtowarnus
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/odigo_9-11_warning.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0523/p11s01-coop.html
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/09/18/intelligence.hearings/

Why was the B administration against investigations into the event? Bob Graham resigned from the Senate because of how he felt the official investigation was compromised.
03:12 PM on 06/05/2009
as you read these blogs you realize that the ink flows not for the Holocaust but in oppostion to "Holocaust deniers" although none are really specifically named with the exception of Ahmedinejad of Iran. What I remember of Ahmedinejad's statements is something other than "denial" in the absolute meaning of the term (although I disagree with Ahmedinejad but that disagreement will have to wait until the "denial" factor is settled).

So really there aren't any "deniers" to speak of. Indeed, it is against the law in most of Europe to "deny the holocaust". But what is an American President to do when he wants to make a political visit to a concentration camp? (I don't think Obama ever visited before becoming President, did he?). Why he stands there and waves the bloody shirt at "deniers". Americans always need an enemy to get them fired up. Bad guys. No bad guy, no story.
01:53 AM on 06/06/2009
re."So really there aren't any "deniers" to speak of."
That's either a blatent lie or sheer ignorance. Maybe both.
Here's a tiny list of Holocaust deniers:
West David Irving, David Duke, Nick Griffin, Bishop Williamson
Middle East: Ahmadinejad, Hamas, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Sultan Bin Zayesd A; Nahayan, Entire Iranian government, Mohammed Mahdi Akef, Abbas, Abdel Rantissi
etc
03:04 PM on 06/05/2009
i wish obama had invited/brought along his great uncle to buchenwald. payne said if he were invited, he would go.
01:39 PM on 06/05/2009
Whats the big deal? Please someone explain... so what if some people deny the Holocust? Some people don't believe in God and they get away with it... I just don't get it.
01:55 AM on 06/06/2009
There's no evidence of god. There's plenty of evidence of Holocaust happening. You don't take it seriously because history is not important to you.
Not the same for everyone.
02:53 AM on 06/12/2009
Still you cannot force anyone to believe anything they don't want to believe. Everyone just needs to get over it. There were many many masacres in the world and that is just the way it is.
11:34 AM on 06/05/2009
re."People are entitled to their own opinions. Because you are upset that others have opinions that are different from yours... too bad."

Mallomel ,

There's a vast difference between opinion and verified facts, based on unimpeachable primary sources.
This principle ( scientific method of inquiry ) is THE foundation of Western civilization.
They reason we have computers and explore space is DIRECTLY attributable to it.
Those who deny the scientific method don't deserve to partake of its benefits.
NEXT....
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MalloMel
11:56 AM on 06/05/2009
There you go again with that, "scientific method," thing. You leaned a term which appears to be so meaningful to you, I suppose that is supposed to close the deal. If you really knew anything about the, "scientific method, you would not bring it up in this conversation. Obviously, you are not a scientist. What else do you have?

Sorry, but I do not believe your, "unimpeachable primary sources," and I don't believe you. Your sources could be right or they could be wrong, but, "unimpeachable?" Give me a break. Cut that out.
03:06 PM on 06/05/2009
"unimpeachable primary sources,"
A: There are German, Russian, Polish, American, French, Dutch, British primary source documents, available in museums and research centers all over Europe detailing in meticulous detail names and descriptions of victims of various atrocities. Available for study.
B. Such documents were evaluated using standards of historical research based on principles of peer-review and scientific methodology. And by such standards certain facts of Holocaust have been well established by academcs the world over.

C. Some instead chose to go with the unsubstantiated opinions by a political hack Ahamdienjad which reject such standards of research. Enjoy.
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12:25 PM on 06/05/2009
Heard recently in my local tavern: "Just because I'm wrong doesn't mean you're right!"
01:34 PM on 06/05/2009
I am right because there's a mountain of primary sources extensively researched and peer reviewed, But back at your tavern it's still 16th century it seems.
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10:49 AM on 06/05/2009
Tolerance is the foundation that will build a peaceful world. WE can not continue as a human race to demand that everyone adopts all of our unique ideas and ways of life. WE have to recognize that the world is big enough for all of our views and that we need to find common ground in order to facilitate peace. And it begins with respecting one person at a time.
11:05 AM on 06/05/2009
One person in all its humanity. To undermine the common mechanism of 'othering', respecting the ambiguity of culture, embrace diversity, and thrive on difference. Ex pluribus unum.
10:37 AM on 06/05/2009
Obama should take Ahmadinejad up on his offer to debate and tell him that they'll hold the debate at Buchenwald.
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MalloMel
10:48 AM on 06/05/2009
What's that supposed to do? Ahmadinejad had absolutely nothing to do with Buchenwald. Let's get real here.
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11:19 AM on 06/05/2009
Agreed. And the way things are going with the elections in Iran, Ahmadinejad nay soon become a non-issue.
11:38 AM on 06/05/2009
re. "Ahmadinejad had absolutely nothing to do with Buchenwald. "

Yes, but he engaged with the issue when he engaged in Holocaust denial.
He even accusing German respectable magazine ( Der Speigel) of being afraid to subscribe to his Hoilocuast. denial.
Now that takes some chutzpah!!!!
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naschkatze
A free man creates himself.
11:18 AM on 06/05/2009
Obama should first make sure that he is going to prosecute war crimes in the US.
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ebanks84
Grandma knows best!
10:25 AM on 06/05/2009
Mr. Wiesel is a survivor of Buchenwald Nazi Camp and he is talking now and I am crying all over myself. Oh God, when will be learn that hate is NOT the answer?
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10:28 AM on 06/05/2009
I just watched it also. When will we learn ....???/
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MalloMel
10:37 AM on 06/05/2009
I agree. When will WE learn that hate is not the answer?
10:25 AM on 06/05/2009
The Buchenwald camp was established in 1937 and was one of the largest camps on German soil. Jews, Gypsies, political prisoners, Gay men and Jehovah’s Witnesses were imprisoned at Buchenwald which was one of the concentration camps to house “asocial” prisoners who had been incarcerated due to their inability to find work. Prisoners of War were also imprisoned at Buchenwald.

Between 1938 and 1945 it is estimated that approximately 250,000 people were interred at Buchenwald with over 56,000 deaths. Although Buchenwald was not one of the Nazi extermination camps many died due to illness, malnutrition, as a result of the slave labour they were forced to endure, medical experimentation and executions.
10:23 AM on 06/05/2009
I appreciate President Obama's sensitivity to Holocaust remembrance but why not treat all genocides with the same degree of validation.

President Obama refuses to acknowledge the Armenian Genocide in the same way as the Holocaust and refuses to hold Turkey accountable for this crime as well as its denial of this crime. He rightly takes Ahmadinejad to task for his "ignorant" and "hateful" denial of the Holocaust but lets Turkey continue to get a pass on this despite his campaign promises that he would properly characterize its crime as genocide.

The 1.5 million Armenians who perished and the thousands who escaped and their families would appreciate the same sensitivity and forthrightness displayed to Holocaust victims and their families.
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Bitsko
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10:38 AM on 06/05/2009
I don't recall the President mentioning the estimated one millions Irish deaths from the Great Famine or from their often peril crossings of the Atlantic Ocean to North America. Should we condemn him for that also?
11:15 AM on 06/05/2009
Did he promise to do this while he was campaigning?

He should keep his promises and treat all "Genocides equally." Genocides. The Turkish Government systematically killed 1.5 million men, women and children.
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MyNameIsJames
What should a person say in their micro-bio
01:50 PM on 06/05/2009
Wasn't the grat famine due to potato blight? Please educate me?
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10:22 AM on 06/05/2009
Brilliant political move trying to get iamanutjob to lose their election.
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ebanks84
Grandma knows best!
10:31 AM on 06/05/2009
Why do we have to justify any "move" in terms of politics? What about being just plain human? Did we forget how to be just that?
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Bitsko
He of the smoldering eyes
10:41 AM on 06/05/2009
Don't worry. Most people are decent, whereas some people are just sarcastic and childish.
10:21 AM on 06/05/2009
Did Weisel just say the word 'territories'?
02:39 PM on 06/05/2009
That's a precise way to describe it. You can go with" Israeli occupied territories,"
" territories claimed by Palestinian Arabs" or "disputed territories." But "territories" it is.