Justice Department Freezes $30 Million In Online Poker Payments, Group Says

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FREDERIC J. FROMMER | 06/ 9/09 07:32 PM | AP

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WASHINGTON — An advocacy group for online poker said Tuesday that the federal government has frozen more than $30 million in the accounts of payment processors that handle the winnings of thousands of online poker players.

The Justice Department long has maintained that Internet gambling is illegal, a view that the poker group challenges.

The Poker Players Alliance told The Associated Press that the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York instructed three banks _ Citibank, Goldwater Bank and Alliance Bank of Arizona _ to freeze the accounts.

Documents obtained by the AP show that a magistrate judge in the district issued a seizure warrant last week for an account at a Wells Fargo bank in San Francisco, and that a federal prosecutor told Alliance Bank to freeze accounts.

In a letter dated Friday and faxed to Alliance Bank, the prosecutor said accounts held by payment processor Allied Systems Inc. are subject to seizure and forfeiture "because they constitute property involved in money laundering transactions and illegal gambling offenses." The letter was signed by Arlo Devlin-Brown, assistant U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York.

In another letter faxed the same day, Devlin-Brown asks that the bank treat the funds "as legally seized" by the FBI, saying that the government has probable cause that the gambling payments of U.S. residents had been directed to offshore illegal Internet gambling businesses.

"The FBI has authority to seize proceeds of specified unlawful activity without a warrant under exigent circumstances," wrote Devlin-Brown _ a process criticized by the Poker Players Alliance.

In addition, a grand jury subpoena issued last week to Allied Systems seeks communications, financial transactions and processing services between the company and Internet gambling operations. The subpoenas also seek corporate records and bank accounts.

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A spokeswoman at the Southern District declined to comment.

John Pappas, executive director of the Poker Players Alliance, called the government's move an "unprecedented action" against online poker players.

In a letter Monday night to Devlin-Brown, Pappas requested that his group be notified and given the opportunity to be heard regarding attempts to seize the frozen funds.

He said that "seizure of Allied Systems' bank accounts would constitute a violation of due process because there are no exigent circumstances to justify deprivation of PPA members' property without prior notice and a hearing."

"The PPA will pursue every legal course available to ensure that poker players' funds are not seized and their right to play poker online is protected," Pappas wrote.

In the interview, Pappas said 20,000 player accounts were affected, but that his group has received assurances from online poker sites that the players would be fully compensated.

A 2006 law prohibits financial institutions from accepting payments from credit cards, checks or electronic fund transfers to settle online wagers. The Justice Department viewed Internet gambling as illegal even before that.

In a statement, the alliance chairman, former New York Republican Sen. Alfonse D'Amato, said the frozen funds belonged to individual poker players, not poker Web sites.

"This money should be immediately released by the Southern District to ensure that player payouts are not further disrupted," he said.

The alliance, which is funded by its poker player members and the Interactive Gaming Council, a Vancouver, British Columbia-based trade association for online casinos, plans to spend $3 million lobbying this congressional session. The group supports legislation by Rep. Barney Frank, a Massachusetts Democrat who chairs the House Financial Services Committee, that would regulate rather than ban Internet gambling.

At least half the $16 billion Internet gambling industry, which is largely hosted on overseas sites, is estimated to be fueled by U.S. bettors.

WASHINGTON — An advocacy group for online poker said Tuesday that the federal government has frozen more than $30 million in the accounts of payment processors that handle the winnings of thousa...
WASHINGTON — An advocacy group for online poker said Tuesday that the federal government has frozen more than $30 million in the accounts of payment processors that handle the winnings of thousa...
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Oh Come on! Get real folks! I love memosyne's comment:
-[..play poker with your friends and neighbors and keep the money in the neighborhood...][..the money goes off shore, out of the country, and makes the United States poorer...]
Hahahaha! LMAO! Yes indeed memosyne, this would be the ideal way to look at how banning online gambling would 'help' the US economy. However, since we started importing every electronic, piece of clothing, vehicle, office supply, etc. Online poker is but a mere drop in the bucket.
Only reason the accounts are frozen is for the Feds to figure out how to get a piece of the pie. When the gov't issues us 'stimulus checks' they in turn tax the hell out of us at the end of the year. The check is a paper trail and your SSN is their database. This is how they get a piece of that pie. When it comes to online gambling they haven't been able to conjure up a process on how to track these winnings, who is paid, and who in turn is to be TAXED. This is why legislation was imposed on US banks & their transferring of funds overseas; you know, since the govt owns the banks. It cracks me up how they pass off the responsibility of our economy onto this. Oh yeah, forget corruption, scandal, fraud, Madoff, Washington Mutual, AIG, & the GM debacle just to name a few; this all started from online poker tournaments...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 06/11/2009
- memosyne I'm a Fan of memosyne 7 fans permalink

Hey guys, play poker with your friends and neighbors and keep the money in the neighborhood. Every gambling house makes money for the owners and so the money goes off shore, out of the country, and makes the United States poorer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 06/10/2009
- frantaylor I'm a Fan of frantaylor 22 fans permalink

If you are really good then your friends and neighbors will quickly grow tired of you. Your alternatives are to travel or to go online.

Your money would not be leaving the country if we got our heads out of the sand and figured out how to run these places in the US. We cannot stop Internet gambling. Other countries want to do it and we cannot stop them. We might as well get in on it.

The ONLY reason the government wants to stop Internet gambling is that it can't figure out how to get a piece of the action. Notice how gambling is perfectly legal when the government can go in and tax it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 PM on 06/10/2009
- Max Hazell I'm a Fan of Max Hazell 2 fans permalink
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Seriously, dude. Online poker is just great - where else can you buy into $1 tournaments? No Indian Casino I know of... and if standing casinos are okay, why aren't internet casinos?

Probably the only reason the money goes off shore is that it's "illegal" here in the States is that Republican lawmakers are pushing their religious views onto the populace, in the one place they constantly misrepresent ("it's a series of tubes!").

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 06/11/2009
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Ironically, the only reason the money goes off-shore is because it's been prosecuted. So, the comment about playing locally is ridiculous. Also, the whole point of poker is making money. Most players don't want to just make money off their friends. The comment was obviously not made by a player.

What's remarkable about this is that there's very few people actually in favor of it. Always fun when the government does things the populous baldly doesn't support.

If internet poker were made legal, it could be brought to the U.S. and regulated. This isn't a measure to "catch scammers & cheaters" because it involves everyone's money. And whoever said these are terrorists is completely out of left field, there's absolutely no evidence of that. So, if you're concerned poker's being run by criminals, bring it to our soil and oversee it. And stop trampling our rights with these bizarre justifications.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 06/20/2009

Having said that, unless we rethink the way we use our wealth, this world is doomed. al-Waleed bin Talal, however he came by his wealth is in a position to make a difference. Instead he chooses conspicuous self-consumption.
next shoe to drop real soon...hyperinflation..market tanking..sell now

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 06/10/2009
- larmarch5 I'm a Fan of larmarch5 55 fans permalink
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What better way for terrorists to finance their evil than by setting up off shore gambling as a way to take money from their enemies and allow their friends to send them money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 06/10/2009
- frantaylor I'm a Fan of frantaylor 22 fans permalink

What better way for us to enable this sort of activity than by making it illegal here in this country. You make a GREAT argument for legalizing it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 PM on 06/10/2009

Our government in action.......................

Eric Holder this is the best you can do.....................

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 06/10/2009
- AnnfromCA I'm a Fan of AnnfromCA 220 fans permalink

Guys, this is over a big scam, run by one of the big names in the Poker tour. He was caught by a player having stolen millions of dollars by rigging the game.

This is just an angle to nail this joker.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 06/10/2009
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No, aboslutely not. This is everyone's money, not a few scammers. You also don't have your facts right. You're talking about the former employee of ultimate bet and absolute poker who made money by seeing people's hole cards. There may be more like him.

If that's the case, then yes, maybe this is a move to threaten the sites and then make a deal with them. THAT I would support. But there's no evidence to assume our justice department is being so benevolent (and making assumptions like that, in poker terms, is a bet with pretty poor odds)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 06/20/2009
- AnnfromCA I'm a Fan of AnnfromCA 220 fans permalink

Good move here. There's a huge scam in that area.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 06/10/2009
- Lemeritus I'm a Fan of Lemeritus 113 fans permalink
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Once again, Ann, you're talking through your hat. Since you don't play against "the house" online and there's no fee for joining a site, the "rake" is really miniscule. Perhaps you can provide the name of the player who rigged the game -- I've played online poker for a number of years and I find the site I use to be vigilant and the customer service four times as good as most other "legitimate" services I use.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 06/10/2009
- Skyhawk I'm a Fan of Skyhawk 27 fans permalink
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Hell Hedge Funds is gambling and that's legal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 06/10/2009
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How about a little freedom here!
Why not legalize and benefit from tax revenues?
Why not regulate as we do other gamming?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 06/10/2009
- pfrogger I'm a Fan of pfrogger 62 fans permalink

someone forgot to pay of "daddy".
how is "daddy" going to know you love him unless you give him a little taste of the action.

it's gambling for God's sake. they should know better.
the gamblers on Wall Street know you have to give "daddy" a little taste. they go one better and just buy a bunch of "daddies". they frankly own the government. and that's how it's done.

I'm not a gambler and even I know you have to give "daddy" a taste.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 06/10/2009
- NPA I'm a Fan of NPA 5 fans permalink
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Exactly, it's not legal till uncle Sam gets his cut. The tax man cometh!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 AM on 06/10/2009

You'd have to be stone cold insane to gamble online.

Somewhere in Hades, Bugsy is having a good laugh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 AM on 06/10/2009
- SangZe I'm a Fan of SangZe 37 fans permalink

It works better than Obama's "bailout."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 AM on 06/10/2009
- felisa11 I'm a Fan of felisa11 23 fans permalink

you just proved airvicemarshal's remark with that statement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 AM on 06/10/2009

Also, the article mistakenly states that online poker is illegal. IT IS NOT. It is illegal for banks to fund online poker accounts, but it is not illegal for Americans to play online poker. This is a widespread misunderstanding and I urge everyone to play online poker. (I would like the extra funds from some new fish).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 AM on 06/10/2009

Sadly, this just points out what a joke our legal system is. It's illegal as long as the Justice Dept says it is. At least until a case goes to court and a judge can make a ruling. Not even mentioning the shameful way the bank transactions were made illegal. By hiding it in a port security bill no one could politically vote against.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 AM on 06/10/2009
- Lemeritus I'm a Fan of Lemeritus 113 fans permalink
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Where do you play and what's your poison, ticcal? Like you, I enjoy online poker every now and again. Unfortunately, this pass-time has always been in a precarious position because -- unlike insurance companies or the banking/credit card industry -- online gaming lobbyists aren't pouring buckets of money at Congress, so our legislators -- without much adieu -- have no issue acting in our "best interests" when it doesn't affect their own wallets.

Money laundering? Considering the "rake" on a typical game, there must be a better way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 AM on 06/10/2009

The UIGEA (unlawful gaming act) was snuck in on an anti terrorism bill by Bill Frist under the pretense that terrorists would use poker accounts to launder money. He was being lobbied by horsetracks and casinos that are threatened by online poker as a competition to their services....Further poker is not gambling, like slots or roulette, in that it is a skill game and you play against other players not the house....The UIGEA is a joke!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 AM on 06/10/2009
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Looks like somebody found a way to get some quick cash!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 AM on 06/10/2009

According to the great Samuelson, gambling is inherently immoral, unethical, corrupting because money changes hands withou any actual compensation---labor or assets. Instead of rebuilding our assets, we make and lose great sums of money. Our energies go to useless, wasteful and harmful endeavor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 06/10/2009
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As the old saying goes, "You get a run for your money". That originally referred to horse racing, but it applies equally to any gambling. The commodity that is traded is the service provided by the house to the players of an enjoyable time gambling, a pleasant hobby many good people enjoy because it satisfies our natural hunting instincts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 AM on 06/10/2009
- socalgal38 I'm a Fan of socalgal38 59 fans permalink
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Just curious, what makes wallstreet gambling any better?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 06/11/2009
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