Dems' Bogeyman Luntz Schooled Reid, Other Dems On Messaging

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First Posted: 06-11-09 05:34 PM   |   Updated: 06-12-09 10:37 PM

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The Senate Democratic leadership attacked GOP pollster Frank Luntz at its weekly press conference Thursday, mocking Republicans for taking their health care advice from the man Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) repeatedly dubbed "Dr. Frank I. Luntz."

"What we're hearing from the Republican leadership on the floor of the Senate is vaguely familiar. Dr. Frank I. Luntz issued this plan," said Durbin, waving a copy of a memo that Luntz wrote several months ago, outlining rhetorical tactics to oppose health care reform.

Durbin highlighted arguments made by Republican leadership: "They tell horror stories about health care stories in other countries. That would be Dr. Frank Luntz's talking point number five." And on he went, referring over and over to the talking points outlined in the Luntz memo.

Shortly after Luntz had released his memo, Democratic strategist Paul Begala responded with his own point-by-point counter-memo. "Because they know they cannot win the argument honestly, Republicans are resorting to mendacity," Begala wrote. "Democrats must not let them get away with it."

But the Senate Democrats already knew all they needed about such mendacious methods: Luntz himself had briefed them at a Democratic retreat earlier this year. His co-panelist: Paul Begala.

Since that January retreat, he has also briefed Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) personally, a Reid aide confirmed. The message to the leader and to the Senate Democratic caucus was the same: Words matter.

"He didn't talk about health care in particular," said Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), a member of Democratic leadership. "He talked about words, and words matter, and how important it is how you portray what it is you're doing. And obviously now he's advising Republicans what kind of language they can use to fight for the status quo."

The Luntz-Reid meeting was also about messaging. The majority leader and the Republican pollster had met several times over the previous several years, although only met once this year, other than the retreat, said a senior aide to Reid. Luntz didn't return several calls and e-mails.

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Reid is not averse to meeting with a wide variety of consultants, the aide said, naming Begala, Geoffrey Garin, Mark Mellman, Susan McCue, Jim Margolis and Third Way's Matt Bennett as folks who've met with him this year. "He might not listen to all of them, but he hears them out," the aide said.

Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wisc.) said that many in the room left with a grudging respect for Luntz. "I thought it was great," he said of the briefing. "He really showed his ability to put things in interesting terms and people had to concede that he was pretty good at the use of language."

Murray, too, was impressed by Luntz' skill, if not his ultimate political goals--if, in fact, he actually has any underlying political ideology.

"I think people listened to him with interest. He's an intelligent guy and his goal is to help you provide the language to fight for what you believe in. And certainly he's doing that right now for those who want to oppose any kind of change in health care," she said.

Democrats have been slow on the rhetorical battleground, according to Feingold. "I think people took to heart not only what he was saying but [were] closely following how he was trying to manipulate the health care issue," Feingold said. "After the experience in 1994 and various other issues, Democrats have learned the lesson that you can't just have the right policies, you also have to use the right language. It's a question we were a little slow in learning."

Republicans, meanwhile, are calling themselves less impressed by Luntz's memo, claiming that the arguments they make are their own.

"There may be some overlap between what pollsters say and what politicians say, but some of it's just common sense," said Don Stewart, a spokesman for Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). "We're for reform."

But being on the side of reform is Luntz talking point number ten, the Huffington Post pointed out.

"We didn't need him to tell us that we're for reform," said Stewart.

Ryan Grim is the author of the just-released book This Is Your Country On Drugs: The Secret History of Getting High in America

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The Senate Democratic leadership attacked GOP pollster Frank Luntz at its weekly press conference Thursday, mocking Republicans for taking their health care advice from the man Majority Whip Dick Durb...
The Senate Democratic leadership attacked GOP pollster Frank Luntz at its weekly press conference Thursday, mocking Republicans for taking their health care advice from the man Majority Whip Dick Durb...
 
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- sixx I'm a Fan of sixx 10 fans permalink
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Sen. Murray, "too, was impressed by Luntz' skill, if not his ultimate political goals--if, in fact, he actually has any underlying political ideology."

If he has any underlying political ideology. The fact that Sen. Murray doesn't know what Luntz' ideology is scares me.
'Messaging' was not long ago, when talking about war, called propaganda. It shouldn't be praised but prosecuted. Using words to constantly associate Social Security with welfare was not brilliant but despicable. I'm not surprised that this Senate Club celebrates charlatans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 06/13/2009
- miriamfl I'm a Fan of miriamfl 14 fans permalink

I recomment to everyone to contact the bluedog Democrats at Bluedog@ma­il.house.g­ov and go to the section CONTACT US . but first read their proposition it is very lame. Please send the e-mails with your concern reguarding Healthcare.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 06/12/2009
- jwalter I'm a Fan of jwalter 5 fans permalink

Healthcare is not and never has been a partisan issue. Neither party gives a crap about you. They care about protecting the companies who pay for their campaigns. Thinking that voting for the "other" party will change anything is just plain silly. This is just another example.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 06/12/2009
- robeson I'm a Fan of robeson 20 fans permalink
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It should come as no surprise to anyone that Reid's 'cant do' philosophy has been inspired and written by right wing Republicans. He must be removed, not for the party but for democracy and the nation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 06/12/2009
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 190 fans permalink

I was wondering why Harry seemed so different - so vigorous so rock solid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 06/12/2009

frank putz, o'reilly, hannity and rove's spinster

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 06/12/2009
- marco01 I'm a Fan of marco01 191 fans permalink
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"Sen. Russ Feingold (D)...... "He really showed his ability to put things in interesting terms and people had to concede that he was pretty good at the use of language." "

Pretty good? Are you kidding me? This is one of the main guys who has been very successful at selling the con worldview to Americans against their best interest.

No wonder the dems consistently lose the message game - they just don't get it.

I thought Russ of all people would know better.

Obama gets it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 PM on 06/12/2009

Power trip freak.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 06/12/2009
- LogicalLib I'm a Fan of LogicalLib 13 fans permalink
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midwest MF Demo-p.u.s..si..es need to be replaced.

OWNED BY HEALTHCARE + PHARMA - sold their souls....

wait till their kids by some bad break do not have healthcare....?

...and the scummm rethugs...­.healthcar­es fine......nana

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 06/12/2009
- ibisko I'm a Fan of ibisko 2 fans permalink

this is precisely the problem:
connect the dots, AIG, GM, Wall street, insurance-­commonalit­y
marketing not manufacturing.
deception not decency.
propaganda not principles
auditory/oratory not action.
dribble not delivery.
mind speak not maintenance.
punditry not productivity.
catch phrases not caring.
talk not technical skills.
hyperbole not heroism.
verbosity not values or valor.
grandeur not guts.
shuck and jive not substance.
creative slogans not courage.
insurance not health care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 06/12/2009
- protagonia I'm a Fan of protagonia 75 fans permalink

Never accept advice from your sworn enemy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 06/12/2009
- LeeCalif I'm a Fan of LeeCalif 60 fans permalink

Franky is getting rather large.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 06/12/2009

When both sides stop playing the greed game, perhaps they will remember why we need socialized medicine for all people. As it stands, Obama's plan won't hold water as too many people will still fall through the cracks. If they do not have jobs, money to afford the basics, rent, food, gas for thier cars, mortgages, how do you expect them to pay for healthcare too? Not going to happen. Both sides forget, we are not all relatives of Kennedy, or Rothschild, or any other billionare family. We need a healthcare plan that allows all people, who enter legally, to get the care they need, the dental care, eye care, whatever, when they need it. Most do not get the proper tests as insurance companies won't pay for them, and illness that kills, slips by. Not acceptable. Healthcare should cover women, children, the elderly. ALL people. We should not have to worry, can we afford it, we should worry, now that I have it, did I get to it in time? That is called priorities, something both sides lost sight of. Its about the people first, not padding your pockets guys.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 06/12/2009
- crease I'm a Fan of crease 8 fans permalink

Language smanguage,the re-pukes don`t want health care for everyone and we know it,they don`t want any type of competition for their health care $$$$$ that will be interfered with that is currently coming into their their coffers right now.This argument is not about anything other than $$$$$ and getting reelected and that`s it.Dems and re-pukes alike don`t care that we rank 37th in the industrialized world in health care, they don`t care that health care has more than doubled in the last ten years, they don`t care that the cost of health care is one major reason our jobs have been shipped out to slave wage country`s where they have no health care to pay for and they certainly don`t care about the 45 million uninsured or underinsured people of this country.Why is it we are the only major player in the industrialized world that does not have universal health care for everyone?Why have other country`s based their health care models on our medicare system which takes excellent care of our elderly and our V.A. system which takes care of our wounded heroes that come home from WAR.Our elected officials in Washinton seem to forget that we the tax payer foot the bill for their platinum card health insurance at whatever the cost and the working and middle class keep paying for their health care while we have inadequate health care and struggle to maintain our our lives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 AM on 06/12/2009
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 245 fans permalink

Hey! I know that guy! He was on the high school A-V squad... and he used to hang around the gym, selling put-downs involving clinical reproductive terminology to the football players for a dollar apiece.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 AM on 06/12/2009
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