Debt Collectors: HuffPost Readers Report Harassment

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First Posted: 06-12-09 01:30 PM   |   Updated: 06-12-09 06:11 PM

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The Tompkins County Public Library in Ithaca, N.Y. just can't get a break. Last week the Huffington Post reported that since November, the library has received an angry letter from some lawyer or attorney general every couple days because an unscrupulous debt collector has been giving the library's address to the poor saps the collector has been harassing.

This week, the indirect harassment of the Tompkins County Public Library continues!

"On Monday of this week, our library received yet another mailing addressed to "National Processing Division" from the United States Bankruptcy Court," wrote library director Janet Steiner in an email to the Huffington Post on Wednesday. "We returned it to the post office unopened."

Many HuffPost readers wrote in to share debt collector horror stories.

Rene Thompson of Kentucky wrote that her mother left no estate except a broken-down car when she died in June 2007. Thompson learned first-hand what can go wrong when debt purchased from a credit card company for pennies on the dollar is passed from collector to collector. After her mother died, Thompson wrote, she contacted her creditors to let them know she'd left no estate.

Most were very kind but about two weeks after her death I received a letter from a company asking me to call about one of Mother's credit cards. I called and that's when the hell started. The individual from a collection company started giving me flack for not being willing to pay Momma's bills myself. I explained that I had been on disability for almost 8 years due to an accident and was on a fixed income. He then suggested that I should have used the insurance money Momma left to bury her to pay them! That's about the time I had, as my Momma would have put it, a hissy fit. After the hissy fit, I called my cousin, the attorney.


For almost a year and a half after her death I had to deal with this being passed from company to company. When one gets the letters from my attorney and the AG of my state, they pass it off to another bottom feeder. Some will even admit that they know there's no estate but insist that I pay the bill. It's been a few months since the last one but I know that it's likely to occur again.

The ultimate irony is that the original credit card was never even in my mother's name, nor had she signed for it. It had been my father's and he died in 1976. They were trying to hop-scotch over two deceased people to collect a debt from almost 30 years ago.

Bob Mills wrote:

I live in Florida. I've received at least eight phone calls at different times of the day asking to speak to "Allison" (no last name). I have a daughter named Allison in Connecticut, 1000 miles away, whose last name is the same as her husband's, but these unidentified people continue to harass me, apparently over an unpaid debt. I have no idea how they obtained my phone number or how they connected me to Allison. You can't discourage them. I was polite but firm at first, saying nobody named Allison lived at my address and to please take my name off their list. The calls continued. Finally I lost my temper when one caller asked, "Do you know Allison?" I replied, "None of your __-ing business. Leave me alone!"
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Richard Bell of North Carolina wrote that he moved to across the county line from the rural community where he'd spent the past 30 years and discovered an unwanted housewarming gift:

"As we began spending more time in our new residence, we realized that we had a problem," Bell wrote. "Because we had voice mail with our new telephone service provider, we did not realize that we were getting calls from collection agencies until the allotted voice mail capacity filled up and the answering machine also began overflowing with intimidating sounding voices. Numerous collection agencies were looking for people whom we did not know. It became obvious that we had been assigned a repeatedly recycled telephone number!"

Bell wouldn't let callers intimidate him. He has a few suggestions for people hounded by collectors.

"One of my all time favorite tricks for any harassing phone caller is to get a tape or mp3 of the late Alexander Scourby reading some esoteric verses from the Old Testament handy to play into the handset," Bell wrote.

And if you can't blow the whistle on them, hey -- why not blow it at 'em?

"Another annoying tactic, which I have used, is to blow a referee's whistle directly into the handset mouthpiece. Even if the caller is holding their handset away from their ear, they are unable to compete with the volume of noise."

But Bell thinks debt collection harassment, even though it has been the number one consumer complaint to the Federal Trade Commission for years, will not go away soon. "The only way that harassment by collection agencies will be solved is for the problem to seriously affect the white middle class to the extent that they make it a problem for government officials," he said. "So long as it remains only a problem for consumers, as far as legislators are concerned, there is no problem."

Tom Brennan of California shared a trick he'd used on a collector in 2006. Within two weeks of closing a bank account, Bell wrote, a collector contacted him about a $240 overdraft fee.

"When do you think you will repay this debt?" the collector asked.

"No comment," Brennan replied. He said "no comment" to every question the collector asked over the course of seven or so calls. Brennan eventually told the man that he would never give a different answer. "He laughed and I laughed and we said good night and they never called again."

HuffPost readers: Who's got the weirdest debt collector story? I wanna know. Email arthur@huffingtonpost.com

The Tompkins County Public Library in Ithaca, N.Y. just can't get a break. Last week the Huffington Post reported that since November, the library has received an angry letter from some lawyer or atto...
The Tompkins County Public Library in Ithaca, N.Y. just can't get a break. Last week the Huffington Post reported that since November, the library has received an angry letter from some lawyer or atto...
 
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- KarateKid I'm a Fan of KarateKid 292 fans permalink
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For anyone reading this: your parents' debts die with them unless you have co-signed. Period. I paid a lawyer $350 to confirm this just to be sure as my mother ran up some credit card debt (actually around 60 grand) and my sister and I were very concerned.

Also, credit cards are like drugs and should be treated as such.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 06/15/2009

Take back the trillions of $$$ given to the banks, who just sit on it and make it totally ineffective then start government incentive to create realistic industries that give employment and generate real productive income, some of which would hopefully be from exports.

Every other country, especially China and most of Europe have goverment incentives to protect it's industries. No matter what you call it it's a form of protectionism and its inevitable. We should stop being naive and take care of our own house. The only ones who win if we don't are the multinational corporations who don't care where they get their hand out.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 06/15/2009

Stop whining? People who have lost their jobs have no means to repay their debt in full. It would be a wonderful day if everyone who wanted to work could find a job!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 06/15/2009
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Let's have "OFF-THE-BOOKS" Accounting for ALL Americans - ENRON STYLE like the Wall Street Banks get:

1. Have a car payment - don"t worry put it "OFF-THE-BOOKS" to hide it when you go to the Bank for a loan.

2. Have a Second Mortgage - put it "OFF-THE-BOOKS" to hide it when you go to the Bank.

3. Have some Credit Card Debt - Simple, put it "OFF-THE-BOOKS" to hide it when you go to the Bank.

4. Have some student loans - don"t worry put them "OFF-THE-BOOKS"

Also, like Banks can do lets allow All Americans to ignore "MARK-TO-MARKET!"

Your house is worth $125,000 but you paid $250,000 don"t worry with "Mark-To-Market" Neutered you can say whatever you want to about your home value and no one can refute you!

Now when you go in for a loan, simply declare the house is worth $300,000 and along with your clean "ON-THE-BOOKS Balance Sheet" with no visible other debts means you get money from the FED at 1% interest or maybe less!

Why can"t this world be true for ALL AMERICANS like it is for Wall Street?

We do not own Congress and they DO using ill-gotten FUNDS!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 06/14/2009

Take back the trillions of $$$ given to the banks, who just sit on it and make it totally ineffective then start government incentive to create realistic industries that give employment and generate real productive income, some of which would hopefully be from exports.

Every other country, especially China and most of Europe have goverment incentives to protect it's industries. No matter what you call it it's a form of protectionism and its inevitable. We should stop being naive and take care of our own house. The only ones who win if we don't are the multinational corporations who don't care where they get their hand out.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 06/14/2009
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Cap credit card rates at 15 -18% just like the credit unions.

We desperately need Ususy Laws, banks need to have limits set for them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 06/14/2009

If a person dies with debt, the family is not legally responsible to pay.
The relative is dead, the debt died with them. If your mother or father pass away their debt is not legally yours. The debt collectors know this, what they are doing is playing on your grief and lack of knowledge.
As far as I'm concerned debt collectors are low life predators earning a parasitic living.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 06/14/2009
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My freshman year at college my boss paid for a booth during the first week of scHool selling gift certificates to his salon. Basically free hair cut, discounts, etc. For every one I sold I got $5. I sold 200. Next to me was a Visa merchant. For every applicant approved she got $20. She signed up 1200 kids. She says Visa approved 90%. 1080 x $20. $21,600 for the week. Her costs? $1200 for both, and $1900 in free giveaway kitsch. She said I did well and should work for her next year. She had this at four local colleges. Crazy. Two years later I lobbied to ban them and they did. We come out if school with enough debt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 06/14/2009
- rughead23 I'm a Fan of rughead23 2 fans permalink

"Cheap credit causes greed," then why are credit cards allowed to push their products so hard....even on college campuses?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 AM on 06/14/2009
- KarateKid I'm a Fan of KarateKid 292 fans permalink
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When I went to college, they passed out cigarettes for free to anyone who would take them. I believe they were called Tareytons, and you also got some keychains, lighters, etc. Same tactic, exploit the young and unwary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 06/15/2009

For the innocent who are hounded:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0566h0EPN7s

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 AM on 06/14/2009

Yeah its getting to the point like in rural Africa where not only do you inherit your deceased family members debt, but you are also forced into indentured servitude.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 PM on 06/13/2009
- FaeKnight I'm a Fan of FaeKnight 3 fans permalink
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I was once harassed by a collector while I was on an approved six month hardship deferment for a federally guaranteed student loan (where you can skip payments for up to six months). Within days of the first deferred payment, the harassing collection calls started (which is illegal,by the way). After several calls in which I kept trying to tell the collector that I was on deferment, he finally shouted "I DON"T GIVE A %$#&!". I said, "one moment please," walked out to my car with the phone, popped the hood, place the phone inside the engine compartment then blared the horn for several seconds. Didn't hear from him again.

One thing a friend of mine did with an aggressive collector that was trying to collect on a deceased parent's debt: When they would call, she would say "one, moment please," put the phone down and continue doing what she was doing when she was interrupted by the call. After a couple of minutes she would pick the phone back up and say "Are you still there? Oh, good! One moment please." and put the phone down again. She would do this until they hung up. She figured if she had them tied up waiting for her, they weren't harassing somebody else and were racking up long distance charges while "on hold." She would do this with telemarketers too (before the age of robo-calls).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 06/13/2009
- Fulcanelli I'm a Fan of Fulcanelli 3 fans permalink
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Change your phone number to an unpublished, unlisted number.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 06/13/2009

The recovery is a forest. People have let their credit cards go, and don"t have mortgage payments it looks as if we are spending more and people have disposable incomes again. Actually, savings are getting drained and there are no new jobs. We are in the calm before the storm. People are spending what every little cash they have left on eating out and shopping for smaller ticket items. This will come to an end in 6 months. There are no new jobs. Can you hear the quiet in America?

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 06/13/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 68 fans permalink

good then people will make the hard choices at that point....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 06/13/2009
- KIMBER I'm a Fan of KIMBER 17 fans permalink
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I've been getting almost daily calls for over a year from various debt collection agencies trying to find someone who has my same last name, same first initial but different first name.
I've told them I'm not this person and have never heard of this person, I've told them I was recording the call and if it didn't stop I would sue them for harassment - nothing has worked. I just let the machine pick up and don't call them back.

My advice would be to anybody who receives a letter about a dead relatives debt to NOT CALL AT ALL, and don't answer their calls. You aren't responsible for anybody's debt but your own. Let them go jump.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 06/13/2009
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