Gadhafi In Italy: Women's Driving Rights Up To Men

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ARIEL DAVID | 06/12/09 04:05 PM | AP

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Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi signs a picture of himself, at the end of a meeting with hundreds of prominent Italian women in a concert hall in Rome, Friday, June 12, 2009. Gadhafi, on his first visit to Italy, has met with the country's top officials and also faced angry protests over his human rights record and treatment of migrants during a speech at Rome's university. (AP Photo/Andrew Medichini)

ROME — Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi gave Italians a contradictory take on women's rights Friday, criticizing Islam's treatment of women but then suggesting it should be up to male relatives to decide if a woman can drive.

The Libyan strongman drew cheers and jeers from hundreds of prominent Italian women at a Rome auditorium.

At times he appeared to strike out for women's rights, but also backed some of Islam's strictest tenets and criticized the history of women's emancipation in the West.

Gadhafi, a self-styled feminist on his first trip to Italy, arrived at the auditorium dressed in traditional robes and surrounded by his female bodyguards. After his speech, he reached out to the veil of a woman in his entourage and used it to wipe the sweat off his brow.

Addressing more than 700 prominent businesswomen and female politicians, Gadhafi received applause when he lamented that in some Arab and Islamic countries "a woman is like a piece of furniture, you can change it when you want."

He brought as an example the fact that in some Muslim nations, including Saudi Arabia, women are not allowed to drive, but added that it's not up to governments to recognize that right.

"If anything, it's up to her husband, her brothers, or the father to give her permission," Gadhafi said, drawing loud boos from the audience.

At the end of the speech many women surrounded the Libyan leader asking for an autograph, but others were left puzzled. Italy's Environment Minister Stefania Prestigiacomo told the ANSA news agency she found the speech "contradictory" though she appreciated some of the statements.

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Gadhafi drew more jeers when he said women gained their freedom in the West only thanks to wars during which men went off to fight, forcing women to find work.

"We can say that the European woman became emancipated, but the reason is not development, or voluntary choice, but rather a constriction, a need," he said.

In a further embarrassment later Friday, the head of the lower chamber of Parliament canceled an event with Gadhafi because the leader was running more than two hours late.

Long delays have been a constant of Gadhafi's trip. The Libyan Embassy said in a statement that the latest snag was due to Gadhafi's participation in Friday prayers.

The four-day visit, which ends Saturday, has highlighted the strong political and economic ties between the two countries, capped by Italy's $5 billion compensation agreement signed last year to make amends for Rome's 1911-1941 colonial rule.

But it has also caused protests.

On Thursday Gadhafi dismayed some Italian lawmakers by calling for dialogue with terrorists and comparing the 1986 U.S. air strikes on Libya to Osama Bin Laden's terror attacks. He then made a contested appearance at Rome's main university, where protesting students clashed with police.

Many women's groups refused to attend Friday's event, echoing concern by human rights organizations against a recent deal that allows Italy to send immigrants immediately back to Libya if they are intercepted at sea.

Hundreds of female intellectuals, activists and others signed an open letter to Gadhafi titled "We don't want to meet you," denouncing mistreatment of migrants who travel through Libya or are sent back to the North African country.

Earlier Friday, Gadhafi held talks with Emma Marcegaglia, head of the powerful business lobby Confindustria on trade and possible new investments between two countries.

Marcegaglia told ANSA Gadhafi had agreed to create in Libya a "free zone" where foreign companies will benefit from tax breaks and other incentives.

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AP Writer Francesco De Augustinis contributed to this report in Rome.

ROME — Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi gave Italians a contradictory take on women's rights Friday, criticizing Islam's treatment of women but then suggesting it should be up to male relatives to ...
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- ElBruce I'm a Fan of ElBruce 19 fans permalink
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Actually I kind of see his point here. Removing institutional sexism (laws against women driving) would transition a society to social sexism (husbands/fathers controlling whether women drive). But a lot of husbands and fathers will decide to let their wives and daughters drive wherever the hell they want. As that increases, it can lead to instituting laws protecting women's rights. But you can't just go from the one directly to the other without first allowing for, and then confronting the sexism inherent in society itself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 06/14/2009
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I think he's attempting a late-life career change to stand-up comic. The statement that it isn't the government's right to tell a woman whether or not she can drive...because that's the job of her husband or father is, it has to be said, very funny!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 06/14/2009
- redhead61 I'm a Fan of redhead61 68 fans permalink
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Frankly I think that these types of men need to be left on a desert island with no women, just other men. Let them discover how much they then NEED the comfort, love and attention of a VALUABLE woman.

What a waste of skin and bones he is. sheesh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 06/14/2009
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Oh no, not Gadhafi' again. I liked him when he was a distant memory.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 AM on 06/14/2009
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Insane president meets insane president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 AM on 06/14/2009
- LMPE I'm a Fan of LMPE 74 fans permalink

His views on women sound more liberal than anything that Rush Limbaugh has ever said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 AM on 06/14/2009

Ghadaffi is partially correct: certainly women's contributions during wartime was a major factor in gaining the right to vote. The 19th Amendment was ratified in 1920. In Great Britain, women "of property", over the age of 30, were given voting rights in 1918; it is believed that this was partially due to politicians' fear of a resumption of the pre-1914 Sufragette campaigns, maked by considerable violence. British women, in general, gained the right to vote in 1920. It should be noted that French women, who also contributed to their county's war efforts, were not granted the right to vote until 1944.

The idea that an adult woman needs a male family member's permission to drive is just plain ignorant; we should, however, remember our sisters in a number of countries who are indeed in that situation and live under those constraints.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 PM on 06/13/2009
- Cogs I'm a Fan of Cogs 30 fans permalink

A deranged individual offering an update on his thought process.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 06/13/2009
- mazzetta I'm a Fan of mazzetta 14 fans permalink
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it would be nice to try him with some women I know here around... there's not only the Noemi-Papi pattern...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 06/13/2009
- bobwalters I'm a Fan of bobwalters 42 fans permalink

As one delightful poster put it, some of those Italian lovelies just might kick Ghadafi's a$$...or more likely, they just might put on a pair of those pointy-toed spike heels and move around to the front and kick there! He better hope his bodyguards are wearing steel cod-pieces, else those lovelies could take them out just as quickly. That actually couldn't happen to a more deserving tyrant. Straight out of the Middle Ages!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 PM on 06/13/2009

The fact is Ghadafi is more liberal minded towards women than what the American Taliban would be if they had the numbers and were in power.

Religion is regressive especially towards women and if it comes down to it they all believe the bible when it states a wife is a man's property and their ultimate goal is to make society that way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 06/13/2009

Gadhafi grows more like Castro every day. Meaningless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 06/13/2009
- larmarch5 I'm a Fan of larmarch5 51 fans permalink
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Did he grow up in Louisiana?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 06/13/2009
- AZterritory I'm a Fan of AZterritory 102 fans permalink
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Wy is this clown allowed out of north Africa?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 06/13/2009
- TallyLass I'm a Fan of TallyLass 5 fans permalink
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LOL. My sentiments exactly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 06/13/2009
- larry278 I'm a Fan of larry278 50 fans permalink

It is spelled M O N E Y.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 06/14/2009
- Klimb I'm a Fan of Klimb 23 fans permalink

People hire clowns for entertainment all the time...FYI! Clowns earn very good money!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 AM on 06/15/2009
- offred I'm a Fan of offred 59 fans permalink

Gag!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 06/13/2009
- Academic I'm a Fan of Academic 239 fans permalink

This is a man that is long past his sell by date.

Professor Dr. Stanley Collymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 06/13/2009
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