Dean On Conrad's Co-op Plan: Insurance Industry Licking Its Lips

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First Posted: 06-15-09 01:00 PM   |   Updated: 07-16-09 05:12 AM

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Sen. Kent Conrad's proposal for a cooperative approach to health insurance coverage has created a unique challenge for progressive health care advocates who don't object to the idea but find it inadequate. Hoping not to seem uncompromising on what is health care reform's bipartisan flavor for the day, several high-profile figures began a push-back on Monday, insisting that while Conrad's idea was well intentioned, it simply would not suffice.

"This is a big mistake," former Gov. Howard Dean told the Huffington Post. "These co-ops will be very weak. Many won't have the half-million members that most experts think is necessary to influence the market... Insurance companies will be licking their lips."

"I am very fond of Senator Conrad and think he is a good guy and friend," Dean added. "But I think the basic problem, as the Senate often does, is that they are worried about the internal Senate politics rather than the type of solution the American people want."

For the former DNC Chair, who has become a leading figure in framing the health care reform debate, the co-op proposal could be considered as an addition to a broader restructuring of the health insurance market, not a solution itself.

Such seems to be the line pushed by progressives both in private and in public. "There are so little details about how it would actually operate," one operative emailed. "It is arguably an intriguing idea. But not to replace the public option [but] in addition to it."

Added SEIU President Andy Stern through his active twitter account: "Health Care Co-op is distraction from need for real competition and cost control. Good idea and attempts to avoid important debate on costs."

That said, the politics of Conrad's proposal cannot be entirely pushed aside. Designed to be a third way between the status quo and a government run option, co-ops have earned accolades from some of the Senate's key centrist members. Rather than be run by the public, they would operate as nonprofits, where the insurance coverage would be subjected to those that affect the private industry. Such qualities are endearing to moderate Republicans without being entirely offensive to elected progressives. Conrad himself notes that while the public option might not get through a filibuster, his plan has the votes.

But there are substantive critiques of the co-op proposal, mainly that it won't reach enough people in need and would lack the bargaining clout to help lower costs. And there are political critiques as well -- though not so much with the co-op proposal but with Conrad's internal whip count.

Dean argues that the Senate could pass a public option using reconciliation, the parliamentary maneuver that would allow the proposal to be considered by an up-or-down vote. "There is no problem with doing that. President Bush did it for massive tax cuts. There is no reason you can't use it."


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- Osusuki I'm a Fan of Osusuki 29 fans permalink

Centrist ("I'd be a Republican, but my district is heavily Democratic") Legislators are going to be the downfall of this nation, but Kent Conrad is no centrist. The only thing he's in the middle of is some lobbyist's hip pocket. Dean's comment about him caring more about Senate politics than the type of solution the American people want is about half right, but the real problem with this guy is that he's a real bona fide Insurance Industry dogsbody.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 AM on 06/16/2009
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Conrad is owned by Insurance and Health Care! Over $4 Million for them to his campaigns!

Listen to DEAN and ignore the Repubs and simply approve single payer!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 AM on 06/16/2009
- ncmom54 I'm a Fan of ncmom54 56 fans permalink
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Single Payer ...or Public Option... or Forget It

don't waste our money on another corporate bailout.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 AM on 06/16/2009
- TJCole I'm a Fan of TJCole 152 fans permalink
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We should be hearing from Princeton University Professor Uwe Rheinhardt he has many simple solutions that cut really large amounts from the cost of Universal Health Care much of it administrative costs like 25%...

He claims we can do it well for $120 billion per year...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 AM on 06/16/2009
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Medicare Administrative Costs=2.1%

Insurance Companies' Administrative FEES=30% to pay $TENS of MILLIONS in Executive incomes at each company!

93% savings in Administrative Fees with Medicare!

1,500% Higher Administrative Fees with Insurance Companies!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 AM on 06/16/2009
- Osusuki I'm a Fan of Osusuki 29 fans permalink

Exactly!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 AM on 06/16/2009
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 345 fans permalink
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"Dean argues that the Senate could pass a public option using reconciliation."

And if Obama were truly serious about a public option, this is what would happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 AM on 06/16/2009
- newhouse1 I'm a Fan of newhouse1 60 fans permalink
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I swear, people parading under the banner of progressives or liberals really are a bunch of candy arsses. At the same time people in Iran are risking life and limb over a hijacked election, and US military and CIA operative men and women are guarding posts on foreign soil, and well intentioned and honorable police-cops are stopping drunks and combating felons, and single mothers are changing clothes before heading to their second job, the number one issue for Americans of all stripes, and progressives in particular­--healthca­re reform-- is being stolen once again.

To the "I knew it" chagrin of my friends on the right, my support for Obama to win the election bordered on fanatical. The campaign operation and apparatus was a thing of art and masterful execution. So, where the hell is that apparatus now? Where are the constant emails from the Obama supporter political apparatus sounding the clarion call to healthcare arms? This is painful for me to say. But with almost 70% job approval and Congressional Democrat dominance including 60 Senate seats, if Obama does not show some serious grit on getting healthcare done, and let's Republicans who don't give a rat's about what he thinks or does dictate the terms of this issue, then he is just another smooth politician more interested in being liked than getting real change done.

Shame on you Barack if you let them win the healthcare fight again. And shame on progressives for being punked again by Republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 AM on 06/16/2009
- hulagirrrl I'm a Fan of hulagirrrl 34 fans permalink
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Great post, and may I add shame on all of us if we do not take to the street and let them know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 AM on 06/16/2009
- cvwilson I'm a Fan of cvwilson 8 fans permalink

I agree with this post. As Bill Maher said this evening on Countdown, "If Obama can't shove a major piece of progressive legislation down the Republicans throats now, when is he going to be able to do it?" I wrote in a comment to Miles Mogulescu's blog that Democrats are going to loose 2010 because progressives are going to be so disillusioned that they are just going to stay home on election day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 AM on 06/16/2009
- ncmom54 I'm a Fan of ncmom54 56 fans permalink
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I hope you've sent that to the White House

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 AM on 06/16/2009
- LeeCalif I'm a Fan of LeeCalif 64 fans permalink

Kent Conrad has sold out and is trying to sell us down the river.

He must be getting pretty good payoffs cause he used to be a straight shooter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 06/15/2009
- annieooo I'm a Fan of annieooo 14 fans permalink

Afraid you'll have someone other than your doc making med/surg decisions, won't get to keep your doc? You've had that since the 70's - ins co have lists of the docs you're allowed to see. With the implementation of DRG's (Diagnostic Related Groups) in the 1970's the USA had socialized medicine. Ins co decide your care, how long you can stay in the hosp, what surgery or tx is allowed. Your dx and code designate what tx your doctor is can give you. Your ins co decides how long you can stay in ICU, have to be moved out of ICU to another unit or out of the hosp and into rehab or long term care. Ins co have massive computer programs of diagnoses, diagnosis codes and Care Plans which tell your doc what can be done. I've been working in hosp since 1972 in Neuro ICU, Case Management, Risk Management and Quality Improvemen­t/Assuranc­e. The USA has had "socialized medicine" being controlled by insurance companies for at least 30 years. insurance companies that make billions of dollars in profits do not pass on those profits to patients for additional care. They have no problem denying care to put money in their pockets. Keep your insurance plan if you like it. Let Obama to initiate a govt plan for those who have no way of getting prv ins. At least with medicare, a person can see ANY doc ANYWHERE in the USA at ANY hosp with ANY pre-exist cond.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 06/15/2009
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Howard Dean is being underutilized. I want him for president someday.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 06/15/2009
- JackNasty I'm a Fan of JackNasty 66 fans permalink
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Dean in 2012!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 06/16/2009
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Howard is right, as usual.

Also:

Dean/Webb 2016
.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 06/15/2009
- LeeCalif I'm a Fan of LeeCalif 64 fans permalink

My god ! What a strong, Good-for-America combination.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 06/15/2009
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Indeed. It would be very hard to beat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 06/16/2009
- jonbw I'm a Fan of jonbw 6 fans permalink

If a bill without a public option comes out of the senate let your senators know there will be hell to pay. Call them and demand the public option open to all right away. Tell them a bill without it i worthless. Tell them your future voting will be based on the issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 PM on 06/15/2009
- theone718 I'm a Fan of theone718 22 fans permalink
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Oh I will make sure they know. We will not allow congress to cheat us once again

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 06/15/2009
- ncmom54 I'm a Fan of ncmom54 56 fans permalink
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based on what they're doing now, they obviously aren't concerned about how we vote later.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 AM on 06/16/2009
- olmossy I'm a Fan of olmossy 17 fans permalink

When I first heard about these area co-ops I thought the same thing. Divide and Conquer.
No thanks We'll take ONE National Co-op, called Public Option. Single Payer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 06/15/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 148 fans permalink

You get EITHER public option OR single payer. They're two very different and incompatible ideas.

I'm for Single Payer. Public option is the choice of people who've given up on getting meaningful health care reform done this year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 06/15/2009
- olmossy I'm a Fan of olmossy 17 fans permalink

But there is little differance. Single payer is Everyone in the USA has a government plan.
Public Option gives you the choice of a private plan or a government Plan as above.
It should insure competition between the Government Plan and the Insurance Companys.

Howard Dean,MD, speaks highly of President Obama's Public Option.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 06/16/2009
- Mugzi I'm a Fan of Mugzi 12 fans permalink

Hopefully they get the message on June 25th. We want single payer

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 PM on 06/15/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 148 fans permalink

There's a lot of static on the line. Let your congressional delegation, state governor, and the white house know you feel that way and let them know often.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 06/15/2009
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I'd rather they take their time and get this right, since it is so important as Obama says, rather than rushing through something, anything just to say Mission Accomplished only to have to deal with all of the mistakes later!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 06/15/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 148 fans permalink

Well what he's saying is once congressmen start running for office they won't be accountable to Americans. Looks like they're not accountable now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 06/15/2009
- olmossy I'm a Fan of olmossy 17 fans permalink

Oh Yeah, Lets wait another 50 years and get it RIGHT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 PM on 06/15/2009
- JDM73 I'm a Fan of JDM73 40 fans permalink
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I repeat: single-payer isn't going to happen. They made that decision long ago. No, this half-a$$ed co-op stuff won't cut the mustard, but we'll be lucky to get even that much.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 06/15/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 148 fans permalink

If we let the insurance companies run things we won't. If we let the bought and paid for politicians make deals behind closed doors we won't. If we sigh and give up we won't.

If we stand up for what we know is right then we MIGHT not get it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 PM on 06/15/2009
- JDM73 I'm a Fan of JDM73 40 fans permalink
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I'm all for gestures--as long as we know that they're only gestures and have no bearing on what actually happens in the real world. This is one of those times. By all means, stand up for what you believe in, but the decision has already been made and the decision is to screw us. Again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 AM on 06/16/2009
- olmossy I'm a Fan of olmossy 17 fans permalink

Obama wants a Public Option for a Government Administered plan, IF YOU want it.
If YOU are happy with your Private Insurance then keep it. The Government plan will compete with the Private Insurance plans. The Gov Plan will use it's bargaining power for cheaper medications.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 06/15/2009

No, we really wouldn't be lucky to get a co-op. They have those now. You think having tens of dozens of little, separate co-ops that are locked into one state will be able to compete with big insurance companies? They won't and the entire effort would be a trillion-dollar failure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 06/15/2009
- olmossy I'm a Fan of olmossy 17 fans permalink

It's called Divide and Conquer. Rome used it. Washington DC perfected into an artform.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 06/16/2009
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