Uighurs: U.S. Let Chinese Abuse Us At Gitmo

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First Posted: 06-16-09 02:20 PM   |   Updated: 07-17-09 05:12 AM

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While at the prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba in 2002, Uighur detainees were interrogated, abused and threatened by a delegation from the People's Republic of China, recently liberated Uighurs told the Huffington Post in a phone interview from Bermuda.

"When the Chinese delegation came we didn't really want to meet with them and answer their questions. They brought us out anyway," said Khalil Manut through a translator. "They made threats, turned down the temperature in the room, made the room very cold."

The Chinese interrogated each of the detainees in 2002, said Manut and the other Uighurs.

"Basically they made many, many threats against them and against their families and even said, 'We will either take you back or we will make sure that you end up here for a long time. You will never be free,' and things like that,' said Manut.

The Chinese delegation -- which the Uighurs estimated at five total interrogators -- questioned some of the Uighurs for 18 hours straight in the extreme cold, depriving them of food and sleep. Ablikim Turahun, one of the freed Uighurs, endured such an interrogation. He said that after six hours he was sent back to his room to eat, but before the meal came he was taken back to the Chinese for another six hours. He was then sent back to his room and given a meal. Just as he was falling asleep, he was brought back again for a third straight six-hour session in extremely cold temperatures.

"They said, 'You're not talking now, [but] we have ways to make you talk when we take you back.' Basically implying they would torture us and get whatever out of us," recalled Manut. The threats against their families have not been carried out, they said.

The government of Bermuda recently accepted four Uighurs who have now relocated from Guantanamo to the island nation. The government of Palau may accept some of the remaining 13 Uighurs, but discussions are ongoing. The United States has deemed them not to be a threat, but U.S. politicians are afraid to allow them to relocate to America.

The White House declined to comment on the Uighurs' accusation, and the Chinese regime did not respond to an e-mailed request for comment, but a May 2008 report by the Office of the Inspector General for the Department of Justice indicates that the U.S. did allow the Chinese delegation to interrogate the Uighurs. ABC News wrote about the report when it was released.

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"Another FBI agent stated in his survey response that several Uighur detainees were subjected to sleep deprivation or disruption while being interrogated at Camp X-Ray by Chinese officials," the IG report reads.

In a footnote, the report goes on: "While the Uighurs were detained at Camp X-Ray, some Chinese officials visited GTMO and were granted access to these detainees for interrogation purposes. The agent stated that he understood that the treatment of the Uighur detainees was either carried out by the Chinese interrogators or was carried out by U.S. military personnel at the behest of the Chinese interrogators."

The FBI agent also reported that "...one Uighur detainee, Bahtiyar Mahnut (#277), claimed that the night before his interrogation by Chinese officials he was awakened at 15-minute intervals the entire night and into the next day. Mahnut also claimed he was exposed to low room temperatures for long periods of time and was deprived of at least one meal."

Elizabeth Gilson, the attorney for Mahnut, told the Huffington Post that the American guard's involvement in the Chinese interrogation was one of the most troubling parts.

"We know that it's true," she said. "It's one of the most shameful parts of this shameful episode. Not only did they allow the Chinese delegation to intimidate and scare these men to death, our American soldiers were told to soften them up for the interrogation."

Yet the Uighurs now in Bermuda say they feel no ill will toward the United States. Rather, they blame the Chinese for their detention.

"We don't blame United States for seven years spent in captivity, because the communist Chinese government is the main reason for this," said Manut. "Because of the Chinese communist government we left our homeland and we fled out of China and we ended up in Afghanistan."

Once captured, said Manut, he was well aware that he was unable to be sent to a third country because of diplomatic pressure being applied by the Chinese. "Because of the communist Chinese government no one accepted us, although the United States cleared our innocence a long time ago," he said. The United States State Department has been trying to relocate us to a third country for many, many years but the countries around the world, nobody had the guts to stand up against Chinese and no one wanted to break their business ties with China. No one was willing to give us a home, accept us, so United States couldn't find a country to relocate us. We know all these details, therefore, the seven years that we spent in Guantanamo, it's not because of the United States. That's why we don't have any ill feelings toward the United States."

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While at the prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba in 2002, Uighur detainees were interrogated, abused and threatened by a delegation from the People's Republic of China, recently liberated Uighurs told the ...
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- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 249 fans permalink

The much-ballyhooed CIA's IG report reportedly makes reference to a handful -- maybe four -- of homicides of detainees in custody.

Read this, then reset your counters. Really grim stuff, and only current up to 10/05:

http://action.aclu.org/torturefoia/released/102405/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 06/17/2009
- FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk 18 fans permalink
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"Mehsud, 33, spent 25 months in custody at the US base in Cuba before his release in March 2004.
He commanded militants who kidnapped two Chinese engineers in Pakistan's South Waziristan region shortly after his release.
One of the Chinese men was killed during a rescue bid by Pakistani forces.
As a young man, Mehsud fought for the Taleban against the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan. "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3745962.stm

The Gitmo Uighurs are al Qaeda trained, in camps run by Abdul Haq, himself a Chinese UYighur, who is on the al Qaeda Sura council, the council of leaders. The US only now, 8 years later, put his name on the official terror list.

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.3326/pub_detail.asp

The US needs to do a complete independent investigation into why al Qaeda trained terrorists were rebranded as "innocent," and provided santuary by the US.

http://diggchina.blogspot.com/2009/02/is-china-target-of-global-sponsered.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 06/17/2009
- bdaved I'm a Fan of bdaved 30 fans permalink

I went to your first link and found this:
"Mehsud, whose real name is Noor Alam, is a Pashtun, the same ethnic group as the Taleban and belongs to the Mehsud tribe that inhabits South Waziristan on the Afghanistan border."
I went to your second link and found a bunch of broad-brush condemnation of the Uighur detainees based on faulty surmise and biased analysis.
I went to your third link and found praise of the methods China uses to repress its people.
You're spreading misinformation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 06/17/2009
- Ping I'm a Fan of Ping 63 fans permalink

I guess they were Chinese tourists on a good will tour then.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 06/17/2009

FairTalk, you seem to have a knee jerk reaction whenever any article about Uyghurs appears on HuffPo. Uyghurs in Guantanamo, Uyghurs in East Turkestan and Uyghurs on the moon elicit the same uber-nationalist response from you. I imagine you sitting at your computer and waiting for the word Uyghur to pop up in your Sina.com search engine, so that you can pounce on it and insert the most negative portrayal possible about Uyghurs, salivating while you anticipate all of the wufenqian you're gonna get from the gongchandang. I also really like the website you created to pretend that you're an American educating other Americans about China. Nice try.
The first link has nothing to do with the Gitmo Uyghurs. Regarding Abdul Haq, if it is even the same Abdul Haq that was in the same village as the Gitmo Uyghurs, whatever affiliation he might have had was not shared by the 22 Gitmo Uyghurs. Most likely, the designation of Abdul Haq by Treasury was some kind of quid pro quo to try to appease China when the US thought it could bring a few into the US, just like the quid pro quo that happened when the US designated ETIM as a terrorist organization. That was very coinicidentally the same time that the US needed China's support for the Iraq war.
The 22 Gitmo Uyghurs had nothing to do with terror. The only terror committed is that carried out by the Chinese government on ten million Uyghur people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 06/18/2009
- bdaved I'm a Fan of bdaved 30 fans permalink

FairTalk is no longer with us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 AM on 06/19/2009
- lesterbud I'm a Fan of lesterbud 82 fans permalink
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A couple of questions come to mind...
Why did we allow the Chinese onto a high-security military base and detention facility? Don't these guys shoot at planes and harass ships that even come close to their space?

Why are the Rush-Puppets so afraid of these people? The Bushies declared them "not a threat". Seems like true American patriots would be outraged by their continued incarceration and demand they be released in the US immediately. Maybe Haliburton can find jobs for them?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 06/17/2009

Well, I admit to being a cynic, but that will happen after 8 yrs of George Bush. I find this whole story unbelievable. I can imagine they were tortured, but the torture described is exactly what we were doing, so why bring in the Chinese? Probably those men became a living, breathing inconvenient truth that we wanted to hush up. We probably promised to take care of them for life (in another country) if they would just say that the torturers were Chinese, not American. That would be the carrot, of course. I hate to think what the "stick" would have been. As Lily Tomlin said, "No matter how cynical you get, you just can't keep up !"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 06/17/2009
- DWX I'm a Fan of DWX permalink

I truly believe the Uighur detainees would never have brought any harms to Americans if they were to release in the U.S. I just can’t understand why some Americans are so outraged of Palau receiving $200M to accept the remaining Uighur detainees, for it’s the least U.S. should do as redemption for wrongfully incarcerating and torturing innocent people not to mention stealing 7 years of their lives. The Foxnews even advocating outrage in Americans against Uighur detainees in Bermuda for finally having some dignity and peace in their lives. U.S., as a nation of moral values, this is just morally wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 06/17/2009
- FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk 18 fans permalink
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US security officials confirmed they would have to "watch" them 24/7 if they were released in the US. bermuda police have investagated them and deem them "high risk."

They were traineds by Abdul Haq, himself a Chinese Uighur, and an al Qaeda Sura leader, at camps in Tora Bora. They were there when before, during and after 9/11, and only left when we bombed the al Qaeda camps at Tora Bora.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 06/17/2009
- bdaved I'm a Fan of bdaved 30 fans permalink

Abdul Haq became an al Qaeda Sura leader in 2005, a year after the Bush administration had already declared that most of the Uighur detainees were not enemy combatants. Your implication that they were trained by an al Qaeda Sura leader is misleading.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 06/17/2009
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This was going on?
So the more secert an entity is, the more corrupt it is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 06/17/2009

Uighur detainees were kept awake for long periods, deprived of food and forced to endure cold for hours on end, They where also shackled to the floor- just prior to questioning by Chinese interrogators.
They cannot go home because China cannot be trusted when it comes to human rights and abuse.
China has warned just about every developed country in the world from accepting them.
No other countries would offer the Uighurs asylum for fear of angering the Chinese government. Even though they where found innocent.
Five Uighurs were released in January 2007 after four years at Guantanamo because the U.S. was able to negotiate an asylum arrangement with Albania.
After all, they are just trying to keep us safe, yes?
That little sentence seems to cover a multitude of sins.
It makes me sick to my stomach.
Torture erodes the character of the nation that tortures.
Demand real investigations with- Accountability

Suicides and suicide attempts-yeah Gitmo what a lovely place-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_suicide_attempts

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 06/17/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 148 fans permalink

I hope someone else appreciates the bitter irony of the Chinese using the United States as their henchman for Torture just as the US in turn used various middle eastern countries to do their dirty work.

Without a full war crimes investigation and trial expect these little bits of ugly truth to keep slipping out for decades.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 06/17/2009
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 249 fans permalink

The Chinese won the coin-toss and got first dibbs on the Uighurs, over the protests of some really excited private contractors who'd been promised the gig by those two rogue psychologists. For a few extra bucks in coffee money, the guards gave the contractors seconds.

Didn't we used to have an actual, disciplined military?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 AM on 06/17/2009
- damebee I'm a Fan of damebee 11 fans permalink

Can we now call the Bush administration a rally of thugs? Despicable? Ashamed to be a party of jerks!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 AM on 06/17/2009
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The Bush administration was truly evil. Not only did the US torture, but it allowed others to torture US prisoners. What else!!! What else was done!!

There needs to be serious investigation and testimony.

These poor men.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 AM on 06/17/2009
- Halter I'm a Fan of Halter 9 fans permalink
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This is outrageous. We were acting on behalf of the chinese communists? Treasonous

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 AM on 06/17/2009
- SSF I'm a Fan of SSF 28 fans permalink
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It appears that not only did the Bush Administration study and use torture tactics developed in Communist China, they went one step further and brought in the Chinese torturers themselves for a little "hands on" instruction. I wonder how all those Bush-loving ,Commie-hating rednecks out there feel about "George W. the Great Decider" now!?!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 AM on 06/17/2009
- NilesCrane I'm a Fan of NilesCrane 11 fans permalink

wait wait wait, are these the same guys who are living the high life in bermuda, with a giant pink house, its own pool, days eating icecream and lounging by the beach???

If I didnt know better I would have thought this was a vacation for paris hilton??

There are alot of homeless people in america that wouldlove to be stuck in prison for 5 years and then be released on one of the wealthiest islands in the world with i believe the highest per capita income??

come on, send them someplace worse...or just let them go, send to them afghanistan or something...not on a vacation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 AM on 06/17/2009

"wait wait wait, are these the same guys who are living the high life in bermuda, with a giant pink house, its own pool, days eating icecream and lounging by the beach??"

Please cite hard, verifiable evidence to back up this assertion. The fact that Bermuda offered them a place of refuge does NOT constitute evidence that this is what happened to them on arrival.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 AM on 06/17/2009
- bdaved I'm a Fan of bdaved 30 fans permalink

I disagree with NilesCrane in sentiment, but here's a link for you: http://dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1192872/Guantanamo-4-hit-shops-day-freedom.html
I've seen a picture of the house somewhere. It's pink, but I wouldn't call it giant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 06/18/2009
- chriss0114 I'm a Fan of chriss0114 24 fans permalink
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grow a brain

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 AM on 06/17/2009
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I don't think you speak for any homeless people and are just being ignorant and rude.

We detained these people, tortured them, let others torture them, and made it impossible for them to go home.

Get some sympathy about yourself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 AM on 06/17/2009
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 249 fans permalink

If you didn't know better, you'd forget to breathe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 AM on 06/17/2009
- rf dude I'm a Fan of rf dude 20 fans permalink
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The US also allowed the French to taunt English prisoners,

using lines such as:

" I empty my nose in your general direction"
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 AM on 06/17/2009
- bdaved I'm a Fan of bdaved 30 fans permalink

The Uighurs say the Chinese threatened their families, and made threats against their eventual liberty, which aren't something to sneeze at.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 AM on 06/17/2009
- NilesCrane I'm a Fan of NilesCrane 11 fans permalink

hold on a second...they were subjecting to cold temperatures and threats?!! are you kidding me, what kind of prison were we running? ive seen worse treatment of poor familys living in the Bronx...this is ridiculous, these guys need to go back to afghanistan and we need to stop paying for their fancy house in bermuda...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 AM on 06/17/2009

The Uighurs should be put back where they were "found" - on the northern plains of Afghanistan. I'm sure they'd like that, after all they were just tourists weren't they?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 06/17/2009
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So let's compensate them for the 7 years of torture and detainment first.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 AM on 06/17/2009
- FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk 18 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 06/17/2009
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