How Cities Might Cope With Population Decline

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First Posted: 06-17-09 03:15 PM   |   Updated: 07-18-09 05:12 AM

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Dozens of U.S. cities will bulldoze entire neighborhoods under an Obama administration plan to stave off economic decline, the London Telegraph reported Friday.

But despite the gleeful reaction from conservative pundits, don't expect to see bulldozers knocking down a neighborhood near you anytime soon.

The Telegraph reported that the plan would be modeled on efforts in Flint, Mich., where Genessee County treasurer Dan Kildee is a lead proponent of shrinking his town to fit its already-shrunken population. Kildee said he had spoken with federal officials who are interested in taking the plan to other troubled cities.

Rush Limbaugh, among others, has seized on what he saw as a capitulation of the Obama administration in its economic recovery efforts. Bulldozing entire neighborhoods -- liberal Big Government at its worst!

"It's amazing to listen to Democrats say, 'We don't have any interest in rebuilding Flint. We want to bulldoze it,'" Limbaugh said. "And then the guy comes up with the idea. Obama says, 'Hey, apply your theory to 50 of our cities.'"

Here's what's really happening: Kildee told the Huffington Post that federal officials approached him about his county's "land bank" concept, asking him to explain it to other municipalities facing similar problems of vacant buildings and unused land as their populations shrink. He was not asked, he said, to advise other city officials about how to bulldoze swaths of urban neighborhoods across the country.

"It is really irritating to have the characterization that this is some sort of totalitarian approach," said Kildee, chairman of the Genesee County Land Bank Authority. The law that created the GCLBA was crafted with bipartisan support, he said.

And it wasn't the Obama administration that first approached Kildee about exporting the land bank concept. "The Bush administration was the first federal administration to ask for our help," he said.

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The GCLBA acquires abandoned properties through a special process designed to prevent foreclosed properties from sitting vacant and contributing to neighborhood blight. A recent survey of real estate agents found that bank-owned properties that sat vacant and damaged brought down the value of their next-door neighbors by 21 percent.

According to Kildee, the program has taken ownership of 4,000 unoccupied land parcels in the county since 2002. In addition, 1,000 abandoned houses have been demolished, and 900 empty lots have been turned over to adjacent neighbors.

There's no wholesale demolition of neighborhoods, according to Kildee. Instead, it is a piecemeal process, in which empty buildings are taken down, allowing the empty lots to be redeveloped, handed to neighbors, or returned to nature. Eventually, Kildee said, the built environment of Flint might need to be reduced by about 25 percent. After all, he said, Flint has lost half its population.

Kildee said that he'd been approached by officials with the Federal Reserve, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, and the Department of Housing and Urban Development about bringing the land bank program to other cities. Among the 15 towns on the GCLBA's radar are Syracuse, N.Y. Cleveland, Ohio Baltimore, Md. and Pittsburgh, Pa.

Any plan to consolidate under-populated neighborhoods would be 100 percent voluntary, Kildee said. "The people who are stuck in these neighborhoods should be given the opportunity but should never be forced to [to participate]. It has to be the community's plan," Kildee said.

Ivonne Audirac is a professor of urban planning at Florida State University and a member of the Shrinking Cities International Research Network. She told the Huffington Post the concept of shrinking cities gets less traction in the United States than in Europe.

"Most of what we have is private property so there has to be a plan, and the plan has to be highly participative so that in theory everyone has a chance to say whether they want to be relocated or not to the areas that will be consolidated. That's obviously very problematic and politically sometimes not very viable," she said.

"What we try to do is change the paradigm from the tradition based on growth to focus on urban growth and decline as a phenomenon happening simultaneously."


HuffPost readers: Living in an underpopulated neighborhood? Tell us what it's like -- email arthur@huffingtonpost.com.

Dozens of U.S. cities will bulldoze entire neighborhoods under an Obama administration plan to stave off economic decline, the London Telegraph reported Friday. But despite the gleeful reaction from ...
Dozens of U.S. cities will bulldoze entire neighborhoods under an Obama administration plan to stave off economic decline, the London Telegraph reported Friday. But despite the gleeful reaction from ...
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- txkayrose I'm a Fan of txkayrose 4 fans permalink

This plan has the potential to answer several problems with a few dove-tailed initiatives:

Reclamation of the vacant areas - TRUE reclamation 1)creates jobs 2)recycles valuable materials
3)gets the waste / pollution out of the 'reclaimed' area 4)creates an area that is now viable space for new uses.

Retrofit existing plants to new products - a plant that produced gasoline cars can probably produce wind-turbines, pre-fab housing, high-speed rail cars, heck, even ELECTRIC cars. The men & women who worked in those plants for 20 years have seen it retro-fitted before. They can do it again.

Use the newly reclaimed open areas for community benefit - who doesn't like a nice park? The university could offer 'green' classes and allow students space to develop their projects. Community gardens are good on every level.

Does this kind of work need significant oversight and community input? Of course! If someone with an ounce of conscience and initiative heads it, it can be a win-win-win for everybody.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 06/18/2009
- nomorefed I'm a Fan of nomorefed 3 fans permalink

Take back the trillions of $$$ given to the banks, who just sit on it and make it totally ineffective then start government incentive to create realistic industries that give employment and generate real productive income, some of which would hopefully be from exports.

Every other country, especially China and most of Europe have goverment incentives to protect it's industries. No matter what you call it it's a form of protectionism and its inevitable. We should stop being naive and take care of our own house. The only ones who win if we don't are the multinational corporations who don't care where they get their hand out.

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Every other country, especially China and most of Europe have goverment incentives to protect it's industries. No matter what you call it it's a form of protectionism and its inevitable. We should stop being naive and take care of our own house. The only ones who win if we don't are the multinational corporations who don't care where they get their hand out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 06/18/2009
- Choicelady I'm a Fan of Choicelady 72 fans permalink

Cities could actually start rebuilding their economies so neighborhoods don't lose residents. We need to re-industrialize, especially in the middle of the nation where imports make less and less sense. Since the mid 1970s (and yes, Carter supported this) we shut and tore down plants NOT from foreign competition but from tax laws that had the feds give CASH back to anyone who closed for any reason. It was a great bottom-line boost however much it was also killing the goose and ending the golden eggs. We must revitalize our domestic capital and durable goods production and keep costs lower by having workers ALSO be the owners. Depressing wages kills cities. Depressing profit outflow to absentee shareholders has far less negative impact since that money stays locally and is spent locally. We need a really strong "industrial survey" to see what, locally and regionally, makes sense to rebuild. Canada did this when they figured out that imports were unreliable - they revived a large number of manufacturing centers to meet their own demand. We must do the same under new and sensible ownership strategies. Then the dozers will have no abandoned property to tear down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 06/18/2009
- stuporman I'm a Fan of stuporman 9 fans permalink

of course, the newer, more energy efficient homes will be bulldozed first, leaving older, energy guzzling homes for occupancy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 06/18/2009
- robivecchi I'm a Fan of robivecchi 5 fans permalink

how do you figure?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 06/18/2009

I sincerely hope this land doesn't end up sold to real estate developers a year later, or that it ends up unsold. This sounds a lot like the first step in privatization that Naomi Klein documents in her work about the clearing of the beaches in Sri Lanka of indigenous people or how the government reacted to the New Orleans area after Hurricane Katrina.

This GCLBA needs to be VERY closely monitored!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 06/18/2009

Doubt if many real estate developers are going out on a limb during these times to buy up such property. Most are going broke from paying inflated prices on property they cannot now sell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 06/18/2009
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I think the city should try to do something about the "Slum Lords" in Flint. They rent homes to people, never do any improvements and never fix anything that is broken. When a renter moves out they should FORCE the "Slum Lord" owners to improve the property or cease it. I don't care if it private property or not. They are dangerous homes and an eyesore.

The city had improved some of the housing projects, but not all. They have provided security for some, but not all. They need to apply for some federal grant money to build some affordable housing projects for the poor. They need to apply for some grants to fix up the homes downtown that are absolutely, beautiful, architectural homes. They could be grand homes restored to their original beauty.

We have had some improvement downtown because of U of M, Flint campus. However, we need more businesses and entertain in that area to restore the city to what it was and should be.

I don't know how this can all be done especially because we are so economically strapped. One can only dream.....­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 06/18/2009
- ckesegi I'm a Fan of ckesegi 6 fans permalink

Are you kidding?
Flint, MI has lost half of it's population since the 70's.
Even if the properties were fixed up the fact remains that in addition to the absence of available renters to fill up the extant rental stock, the city continues to hemmorhage population.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 AM on 06/18/2009
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I said..."On­e can only dream". Do you live here? If not how do you know what is going on here?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 AM on 06/18/2009
- escribacat I'm a Fan of escribacat 316 fans permalink
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You can buy a house in Braddock, PA for $1,500

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Braddock_PA_15104_1107721898

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 06/17/2009
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 662 fans permalink
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Im the last hippy left in my 'hood. Probably the last one in town......­.... maybe the state!....­....



ARE THERE ANYMORE HIPPIES OUT THERE?!!!!!?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 06/17/2009
- escribacat I'm a Fan of escribacat 316 fans permalink
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I stopped being a hippie when I discovered the Clash.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 06/17/2009
- Merckx I'm a Fan of Merckx 23 fans permalink
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When I first glanced at your response, I thought it said, "when I discovered the Clap."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 06/18/2009
- HPfanRJ I'm a Fan of HPfanRJ 3 fans permalink

Would an old Beatnik do?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 AM on 06/18/2009

Thanks to "white flight" and high taxes of the late sixties and early seventies, hundreds of once-picturesque Victorian homes in Atlanta neighborhoods like College Park and Midtown once stood deserted.

Atlanta's City Council, realizing it's tax base was shrinking, wisely made use of the Carter-era community redevelopment act and offered these homes to the public for $1 on the proviso the buyer could qualify for the low-interest government-backed, fixed rate loans being offered to renovate the them.

You should seen those two neighborhoods in the early eighties. Absolutely. Georgeous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 06/17/2009
- SueInCA I'm a Fan of SueInCA 283 fans permalink
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They should figure out a similar plan for all the abandoned homes but instead the investor vultures will buy them up, giving the american the shaft once again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 06/17/2009

The U.S.A. needs a one child policy like China has.

The single most important thing we can do to improve the world, reverse environmental degradation, lessen conflicts, have a cleaner environment, lessen energy demands, reduce pollution, save our forests, reduce over fishing of the oceans, reverse global warming, increase our salmon runs & save cropland from urban sprawl is to have a one-child policy like China has.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 06/17/2009

Totally agree that overpopulation is the elephant in the room. But I a top-to-bottom one-child rule approach is not a good idea and would never work with freedom-loving people.. There has to be education and people -- women, rather -- should reduce voluntarily the number of children - as they have been doing, indeed, in the last decades.

There are other problems involved, e.g.
- religion with its "grow and multiply" command (delivered about 2,000 years ago when the population was a fraction of today's.). They sure help to fill the world with hungry mouths.

- In Europe where the population is decreasing and women want zero to 1 child, they have this serious problem of who will work and who will pay taxes. Immigration has been called to fill the gap and some ugly problems ensue from there.

But, yes, how wonderful if there were only half the people in the world. Less destruction of Nature.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 06/17/2009
- verycold I'm a Fan of verycold 14 fans permalink

One of the big problems facing our country right this minute is a lopsided population due to that decrease. The baby boomers will be retiring in force and will not only give up their jobs thus reducing their incomes, but they will put enormous demands on our entitlement programs. This is the very reason why our economy will not fully recover. There are just flat too many older folks that will drain the system. On top of that they were the group with the money and now they have a lot less and frankly may have decided they have bought all they ever needed.

Equally sad is that looking at the stats it is educated women that opt to either have no children or just 1.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 06/17/2009
- BigBagel I'm a Fan of BigBagel 28 fans permalink
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Then one of you two leave.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 06/17/2009
- Lorianne I'm a Fan of Lorianne 60 fans permalink
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Why do you single out women?
It takes two to make a child.
It's time men pitch in and help if we want reductions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 06/18/2009
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The real problem is the consumption explosion, a result of growing per-capita consumption as much as population growth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 06/17/2009
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OMG, you did not say that!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 AM on 06/18/2009

The problem isn't Americans overpopulating the U.S., though. It's the influx of illegal aliens (although it has to be said that the birth rate in Mexico has been falling for some time). Americans, as well as Asian immigrants, are having babies below replacement level. That is one reason why that my old high school, which was once 80% Anglo, is now 80% hispanic, with 42% of the students qualifying for free government provided breakfast.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 AM on 06/18/2009

Actually, distribution is the problem, not the numbers of people. This is fact.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 06/18/2009

Limbaugh should move to Flint.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 PM on 06/17/2009
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Limbaugh should move to the Dominican Republic so he won't have to clear his drugs through customs again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 06/17/2009
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If Limbaugh ever even dared to step one foot into Flint he wouldn't like the results...­.. I can bet that 85% of the people here, that are Democrats, that voted overwhelmingly for President Obama by 85% have never listened to his show and never would.....­. He can stay where he is at, he isn't welcome here....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 06/18/2009

"Land bank" policies? More like Year Zero policies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 PM on 06/17/2009
- spinns17 I'm a Fan of spinns17 38 fans permalink

since walmart and wall street sent our jobs overseas ,maybe they will buy this property up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 06/17/2009

China will , and then we work for them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 06/17/2009
- cavegal I'm a Fan of cavegal 217 fans permalink
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They are only interested in our golf courses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 AM on 06/18/2009
- KCFreedom I'm a Fan of KCFreedom 18 fans permalink

That suburban sprawl has worked out so well for our cities. Ditto for sending our jobs overseas.
Letting GM buy out and dismantle urban train systems in the 1940's added more "value" as well.

Great plans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 06/17/2009
- Lorianne I'm a Fan of Lorianne 60 fans permalink
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Agree

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 06/17/2009
- JScott I'm a Fan of JScott 20 fans permalink

Oh please forming more contigious cities would actually SAVE taxpayers money as city services don't have to be stretched a long way to remote properties (yes folks despite all this libertarian RWNM crap
cities still provide services-and the first ones to whine about their lack would be.....you guessed it RL & cohorts). To bad some places in Calif. don't do this and yet they still wanna build these way out in the styx [planned} communities that will ultimately result in a taxpayer black holes and a giveaway to corporate landowners­.....like Centennial on Tejon Ranch (btw proposed to be built RIGHT ON TOPof the San Andreas Earthquake Fault) and Quay Valley and Newhall Ranch and others. These just need to be turned into open space.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 PM on 06/17/2009
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