Iran Protests 2009: HuffPost Bloggers Weigh In On Political Fallout, Twitter And What Happens Next

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As the fallout over the Iranian election continues, HuffPost bloggers weigh in with their views on the political landscape and developments in the country. Scroll down to read about protesters, politics, twittering in Tehran, the nuclear issue, and more...

Stuart Whatley: Iran Uprising: Why Do So Many Want Obama to Turn Iran's Protests Into a "Teabag Party"?:

Those who insist that Obama throw his hat in the ring do not hide their lack of faith in the Iranian demonstrators. They shape their argument as pro-democracy and pro-freedom of expression, but they ground it in the arrogant belief that an American endorsement is the sine qua non of any successful democratic political movement. Let the Iranian's have their moment, they know whose side we're on. Presuming that they require the explicit validation that comes with an American presidential statement is to fall prey to the same patronizing self-aggrandizement that has for so long plagued our dealings abroad. Obama is wise to ignore his "expert" advisers and the "experts" from the past administration.

Gina Nahai: No Matter What, We've Already Won:

There is a rhythm to every nation's history--a pattern that repeats over the centuries, that creates forward movement, pulls back, pushes ahead. So it is with Iran in modern times: about every two to three decades, major change--a war, a famine, the overthrow of a dynasty--occurs with unmistakable ramifications.

Jamal Dajani: It Ain't Over till the Ayatollah Says So:

Some say tomorrow will bring another dawn and, the opposition will be back on the streets, but will they really show up? The Ayatollah may have put the nail in the coffin of the opposition, my source in Tehran tells me.

Parvez Sharma: There Will Be Blood -- Exclusive Interview With an Iranian Journalist in Tehran:

Through the night, primarily through intermittent internet connection, I have been able to talk with Iranian photo-journalist NS (she does not want her name used, for obvious reasons). NS has been in the middle of the protests. While the interview text below was compiled before the sermon, a later communication tells me this: Like many others, she is enraged by the "khutba" (Friday sermon) of the Ayatollah Khamenei which will now open the doors for a Tiananmen in Tehran. Saturday will likely be the bloodiest day so far, if the brave crowds decide to come out. Another friend from Tehran cried on the phone, after he had been to Tehran University to pray and hear the Ayatollah's sermon. His last words to me before the mobile phone connection was cut off were: "Tomorrow there will be blood."

William Bradley: Obama and the Ayatollah:

Of course, if Obama does speak up aggressively about what's going on in Tehran and other cities in Iran, he risks playing right into Supreme Leader Khamenei's hands. The ayatollah, according to Al Jazeera and other sources, is, along with Ahmadinejad, engaged in a power struggle with other elements at the top of the Iranian power structure.

Shirin Ebadi: Iranian Authorities Must Void Elections to Restore Peace on Streets:

The Leader of the revolution continued his support of the president in spite of the people's dissatisfaction, even after the Majles (parliament) declared that $1 billion had been withdrawn without legal authority. And the moment the Interior Ministry declared Ahmadinejad winner of last week's election, the Leader congratulated him, although votes had not been counted in all districts.
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Furthermore, other candidates had the right to contest the elections results, and no one should have been congratulated until their objections had been heard and definitive results been determined. This premature act of congratulating angered the Iranian population.

Bradley Burston: I Never Thought I'd Be Rooting for Iran:

I am in awe of the courage of the people of Iran.


They are giving the world hope. They are teaching a shocking lesson about truth. They embody freedom. And, perhaps hardest to grasp, for those of us who live in the Middle East, they are putting their very lives on the line not for the sake of some ferociously sectarian End of Days, but for the most profoundly radical notion of all -- a better life.

Stuart Whatley: Iran Uprising: Experts Weigh In On What's Happened And What It Means:

As mass demonstrations continued in Iran for a fifth day following what was viewed by many to be a rigged election last Friday, experts in the United States insist that the protests do not constitute a revolution. Nevertheless, the situation could incidentally end in prolific changes to the Islamic Republic due to long-festering problems of the system's own making.

Jeremy J. Stone: How the Iranian Election Was Stolen:

The Iranian reform movement is trying to seize the high ground, to avoid violence, and to appeal to the forces of repression not to use force. With the world watching, and with so many new techniques of communication, it may be that the reformers can give the authorities a run for their money. But it will take an awful lot of Iranian courage and ingenuity to make it work.

Andrew Rosen: YouTube Diplomacy and Iran:

In the 21st century, Western values have become much more than the freedoms of wearing makeup or consuming alcohol behind closed doors. They are also the manifold and evolving freedoms created by the Internet, and more specifically, Web 2.0.


The Obama Administration both finds itself in the heart of, and on the sidelines of, this confrontation. Consequently, the Obama Administration has opted to tread carefully on the basis that it would "seem counterproductive to be seen as meddling." While the Iranian people "should be heard and respected," any official suggestion of US interference would be counterproductive at this time.

Hadi Ghaemi: Fears of a "Tehran Tiananmen" Growing as Iran Crisis Deepens:

The post-election unrest and turbulence now sweeping Iran, following the presidential election of last Friday, did not figure into anyone's analysis and calculations. It took everyone by surprise, but so have the most momentous events of contemporary Iranian history. The 1979 Revolution was not on anyone's radar screens either until it was well underway.

The root cause of such singular and unanticipated upheavals lies in the way fundamental tensions in Iran simmer for a long time below the surface and then suddenly explode into the fore.

Roya Hakakian: Iran Protests 2009: HuffPost Bloggers Weigh In On Political Fallout, Twitter And What Happens Next:

For the past twenty-five years, I have lived in America, first as a reluctant transplanted Iranian always looking pastward, and later, as an exile reconciled with the chronic condition that exile always brings -- most notably an arthritic heart. In the first half of my stay, I was astounded by the leanness of the news coverage of Iran which was biblically vast. In the second half, beginning in 1997, I was grieving the bounty -- so skewed, so dilettantish -- that I prayed for the lean years to return. These cycles of ebb and flow resembled the spikes and dips of a feverish fit far more than the evenness that good reporting demands. Thus rendering the coverage of Iran in American media as consistently flawed.

Ali A. Rizvi: The One Thing 39 Million Iranians Decisively Voted For:

Most Iranians knew that this election wasn't really going to change anything, thanks to the dictatorial leadership of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei. Still, out of 46.2 million eligible voters, a staggering 39 million came out to vote, making a strong, unequivocal statement:


Iranians value democracy. A lot.

Michael Wolff: How Obama Saves Iran (and Himself) by Dithering:

If Iranians overthrow the horrid Ahmadinejad, the winner last week of an obviously fishy election, that will be a vindication, the Obama administration will certain maintain, of the president's rhetorical restraint. If, on the other hand, the nascent rebellion is crushed by force or otherwise, then it would certainly seem that the president's failure to join the side of righteousness is going to haunt him.

Andy Ostroy: The Revolution Will Not Be Twitterized:

On Wednesday, the "I don't think we should meddle" Obama administration decided to meddle and asked Twitter to delay its planned site upgrade so that service would not be interrupted, allowing Tehran's cyber-revolutionaries to continue sending messages and images to their comrades around the world. Think about that.


The U.S. government giving so much significance and legitimacy to such a nascent technology, with its utterly self-consumed community, as to imply that without it, somehow the revolution could run out of steam. Talk about self-importance. Needless to say, Twitter complied.

Joe Peyronnin: Iran's Uprising:

Leading up to the election most polls indicated the outcome would be close. However, no one forecast a nearly 85% turnout. In part, the difference was that millions who did not participate in 2005 in protest to their government became engaged this election. Not because many Iranians considered Mousavi a reformer, rather he was perceived as an acceptable alternative to the failed economic and foreign policies of Ahmadinejad. For many younger and middle class voters it was time for a change.

Derek Flood: Iran's Elections: Dear Supreme Leader...:

What we are seeing is an attempt at transformation, a post-revolution, by an intelligent and decent populace that has become exhausted at its pointless isolation. It turns out that Ayatollah Ali Khameni, Khomeni's bespectacled and much less charismatic successor, is not irrefutable. Nor is he, as it turns out, infallible. The boulevards of Tehran and Esfahan, Shiraz, Tabriz, and probably every other large city are filling with people seeking change rather than an overthrow.


Vocal GOP members aside, America has virtually no credibility to make a stand here. After eight years of pseudo-democratic evangelism by the Bush White House and its rogue's gallery of champions at places like the American Enterprise Institute, our rhetoric on human rights is still running on the fumes. With skeletons still in our closet from the Muhammad Mossadegh overthrow in 1953 and our cooperate support of Shah Reza Pahlavi and his despised SAVAK internal intelligence apparatus during the Cold War, America barely has a leg to stand on when the Iranian opposition would enjoy our support the most.

Nathan Gonzalez: Is Revolution Brewing in Iran?

The supreme leader of Iran has two clear choices: Save the fragile legitimacy of the Islamic Republic by calling for new elections, or move toward a system that increasingly looks like a dictatorship, in which all pretensions of popular will are thrown by the wayside. Either choice may be a losing proposition for the Islamic ruling elite in the long run. But what is certain is that a massive confrontation with the people of Iran very seldom benefits those in power, something Khamenei and his fellow revolutionaries from the class of 1979 know all too well.

Ramin Jahanbegloo: Iran's Crisis of Legitimacy:

The present crisis in Iran following the Iranian presidential elections is rooted in the popular quest for the democratization of the state and society and the conservative reaction and opposition to it.


This is a crisis over a deep-seated ideological structure inherited from the Iranian revolution. On the one hand, those, like Mir-Hossein Mousavi and Mehdi Karubi, who have been among the architects of the Islamic regime and the challengers for the presidency, believed that the Islamic nomenclature allowed scope for reform and renewal. They now find themselves at the head of a pro-democracy and pro-reform movement that seeks to defy the very essence of illiberalism and authoritarianism in Iran.

Shirin Sadeghi: Leadership in Peril: Iranians Won't Wait Out Recount:

Make no mistake, the massive demonstrations in Iran, both in the run up to election day and since, have been simmering for years and are founded in one thing more than any other: significant, across-the-board dissatisfaction with a system of government that has shown little regard for the people of Iran.


The demonstrators are ostensibly fighting for Mousavi, but what's essentially happening is a continuation of what happened in the days ahead of the election when the Iranian public was allowed the opportunity to pour into the streets in a cathartic mass movement for change. The people were suddenly freed from years of a maddening grip of abeyance and it won't be so easy to force them back into their shells.

Telmah Parsa: Inside Tehran: Practicing Democracy, Iran Style:

Today I went to a mosque to cast my vote. The pile of shoes at the entrance indicated a large crowd inside (Muslims are not supposed to enter holy places with their shoes on). Amidst the rising heat, rotating ceiling fans wreaked havoc with the hems of the black chadors of the women standing in one line, alongside which men with visibly damp armpits formed a separate queue. Every now and then a surge of murmurs swept the interior of the mosque and then subsided.


Parvez Sharma: A Report From Inside as Tehran Twitters:

Ridiculous debates with neo-con Iran "experts" continue and will probably only rise in crescendo in the next hours and days. I almost wish that those in Tehran could watch the spectacle of US "media" falling all over themselves trying to report from behind the Chador, while exclaiming the virtues of Twitter (though those virtues do need to be acknowledged in this case). If for nothing else, the profound discovery they (the US media) have now made of the net-savvy Iranian citizens (better at beating every firewall known to man than most) is a cause for celebration.


Joe Cirincione: Iran Uprising Changes Nuclear Calculus:

The Iran Uprising is a game changer. The regime has been delegitimized for large portions of the Iranian population. If Mahmoud Ahmadinejad prevails--and that is by no means certain--he will be greatly weakened, handcuffed in his ability to play the nuclear card as a nationalist rallying cry. Pressed at home, the regime will need to show some gains internationally; the nuclear issue must be compromised to realize those gains.

Leah Anthony Libresco: Iran's Revolution Will Be Twittered (and Blogged and YouTubed and...):

Since the preliminary results for the Iranian election were announced, a steady stream of updates has been accumulating on Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, and other social networking sites. (For Andrew Sullivan's report on feeds to follow, click here).


Social media hasn't only given Iranians a way to evade censorship and speak out; it has given them a way to mobilize attacks on Ahmadinejad's coalition, attacks that go beyond rallies. Some Iranian twitterers have called for foreign supporters to attack Ahmadinejad's websites using a distributed denial of service attack.

Angella Nazarian: Iranian Americans in the Spotlight:


In 2008 a national public opinion survey found that two thirds of all Americans do not personally know an Iranian American. As a result, it suggested, the public's overall impression of Iranian Americans is largely based on the reductive one-dimensional image of Iranians found in the media and in reports on Iran. It is therefore not surprising that today's Iranian Americans have an overriding desire to be defined on their own terms, rather than in relation to the background drama of international politics or the baggage of the Iranian revolution.

Sheldon Filger: Iran's Stolen Election May Spark Global Crisis:

A radicalized Iranian leadership that is willing to ignore the will of its own populace can scarcely be expected to bow to international pressure to terminate its nuclear weapons program. As the perception that Iran is getting closer to developing nuclear weapons grows stronger, the possibility of military hostilities in the region cannot be ignored, whether initiated by the U.S., Israel or preemptively by Tehran. Though the ramifications of military hostilities with Iran are unpredictable in a general context, in one specific aspect it is clear what the most dramatic implications are. Even the perception that a military clash with Iran may occur, as opposed to actual hostilities, will prove disastrous to the global economy.

Michael Martin: Elections in Iran: What It Means For Oil:

Uncertainty about Iran's leadership might have had as much to do with the increase in crude oil prices over the last 4 months as anything else. Under a powerful attack from former President Rafsanjani, Mahmoud Ahmedinejad has been scrambling for his political life. The stakes are high for the entire developed world: Iran is the second largest oil producer in OPEC behind Saudi Arabia.

Continue to check back as this page will be updated with the latest HuffPost bloggers on the historic events unfolding in Iran.




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As the fallout over the Iranian election continues, HuffPost bloggers weigh in with their views on the political landscape and developments in the country. Scroll down to read about protesters, politi...
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- plunk I'm a Fan of plunk 5 fans permalink
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Twitter users

Set your location to Tehran and your time zone to GMT +3.30. Security forces are hunting for bloggers using location/timezone searches. The more people at this location, the more of a logjam it creates for forces trying to shut Iranians' access to the internet down. #neda

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 AM on 06/22/2009
- Ergon I'm a Fan of Ergon 82 fans permalink
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Here's James Petras for a contrary view:
http://www.voltairenet.org/article160676.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 06/21/2009

Let's not forget the risk /threat to troops already in Iraq who are fighting against Iranian supported insurgents. Iran will stepup the violence in Iraq if we "meddle", and will still crack the skulls of their people.

We must also think about Americans troops in Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 06/19/2009
- AngieMom57 I'm a Fan of AngieMom57 69 fans permalink
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Think again.

The Iranian supported insurgents are going to have to go back to the streets of Tehran and not around the region until tempers cool; wouldn't you think?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 06/19/2009
- mergina I'm a Fan of mergina 86 fans permalink
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I wish I was standing next to them in their march to FREEEEEEDO­MMMMMMMMMM­MMMM!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 AM on 06/19/2009
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As to your freedom mark on your avatar, I remember talking with someone on these HufPo boards 2 weeks ago saying it's about we make freedom mean something besides freedom to make money. The people of Iran seemingly heard my 'prayer.'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 AM on 06/19/2009
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{blush} meant to type:

...it's about time we make freedom mean something besides freedom to make money. The people of Iran seemingly heard my 'prayer.'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 AM on 06/19/2009
- Schnides I'm a Fan of Schnides 16 fans permalink

Where's my Rubiconski????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 06/19/2009
- jasjohn128 I'm a Fan of jasjohn128 26 fans permalink
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Americans really do need to learn a bit about Iran and its people. This is not a savage country full of desert-dwelling fanatics, nor do they hate Americans or the United States. They're going through a difficult and complicated time right now but THEY will work it out for themselves.

http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/specials/iran_121308/ (slideshow)

http://www.hoomanmajd.com/Hooman/Home.html

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95285396

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjtGr1Qqhng&feature=PlayList&p=69380D199405BBE9&index=15

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 06/18/2009
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jasjon, what about reliable Mideast blogs? AngryArab has been too preoccupied to post much yet, and http://www.juancole.com/ has been invaluable. But if feel free to share any you think are good to get news and reflection in this crisis.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 06/18/2009
- jasjohn128 I'm a Fan of jasjohn128 26 fans permalink
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juancole is a given, of course, and there are many excellent blogs in and out of the region. These four struck me as most accessible at the moment for Americans with little time to spare. And Mr. Hooman Majd's book "The Ayatollah Begs To Differ" is almost beyond peer as the most entertaining and instructive book on real life today in Iran society and politics for an American audience.

Contact with my friends/colleagues in Iran is irregular right now but i will offer their thoughts and comments too when it becomes possible.

Cheers,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 06/19/2009
- Doomestic I'm a Fan of Doomestic 9 fans permalink

I think the Iranian people's will is not well represented by Western Media. This is exactly the same thing that happened when the US backed coup against Chavez was carried out. The similarities are striking.

The US is just trying to delude itself that Iran is on the verge of collapse and that the regime, not just ahmadienajad, is lacking popular support, which is far from true if they actually want to include the tens of millions of silent Iranian peasants living in the far apart villages in Iran, who have payed dearly for some of the "reformist" policies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 06/18/2009
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Don't worry Domstc, IRI is using violence and censorshp to make all your dreams come true. Just google search away for po.rno pics for you of dead bodies to keep IRI going, and as I write this the Saturday marches haven't even started in earnest and promise to bring more for you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 AM on 06/20/2009
- Caliwoman I'm a Fan of Caliwoman 9 fans permalink

For the Persian people who have contributed so much to the development of mathematics, it was a bit naive of the government to claim such a strong victory a few hours after voting closed. It is a mathematical impossibility for even a small percentage of the paper ballot votes to have been counted in that short of time. Nails flatten motorcycle tires.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 06/21/2009
- abouttime I'm a Fan of abouttime 22 fans permalink

All historians on Iran seem lately to be going back to 1979.

Anyone know what happened in 1953?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 PM on 06/17/2009
- SueInCA I'm a Fan of SueInCA 283 fans permalink
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yes, the mohammed reza pahlevi was installed and he ruled for 26 years. it was a british and cia coup d'etat

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 PM on 06/17/2009
- SueInCA I'm a Fan of SueInCA 283 fans permalink
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The shah was ousted in 79

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 PM on 06/17/2009
- Khirad I'm a Fan of Khirad 286 fans permalink
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How about 1988?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 AM on 06/18/2009
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You mean the end of Iraq-Iran War? Please don't leave us in suspense, K. what happened?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 06/18/2009
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In 1953 the CIA overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran; much has been said about the ties to the oil. But honestly, while the British were worried about their oil interest, The Dulles brothers really were afraid of the communism. There were many communist (supposedly communist) protests in the streets. The Dulles brothers worried about another domino falling into the soviet hands, The CIA then backed putting the oppressive shah into power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 06/21/2009
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I don't really understand any of this. No matter who is the head of the "government", Iran is controlled by the religious leader. There's no difference at all. The election is a joke either way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 PM on 06/17/2009
- Khirad I'm a Fan of Khirad 286 fans permalink
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That religious leader could be ousted though (albeit for another more fitting Rafsanjani's preferences).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 AM on 06/18/2009

Next thing you know the Iranians will be blaming Huffpost for the riots and demonstrations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 06/17/2009
- abouttime I'm a Fan of abouttime 22 fans permalink

The Iranians will work it out. And with relative peace.
(Unless the CIA is involved!)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 06/17/2009
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don't believe they are not involved. could be the american meddling they refer to, bush sent them in in summer 2008.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 PM on 06/17/2009
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These demonstrations are not representative democracy. This is mob rule.

Even if 90% of the people say something is false, does not make it false.

People should be carseful what they wish for. Does anyone even thing that the opposition candidate is a better option? Was he not involved in the massacre of students?

These demonstrations are intoxicating, but watch out for the hangover. These people are only a pawn in "their" game. They surely are being "played."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 06/17/2009
- abouttime I'm a Fan of abouttime 22 fans permalink

It is a peaceful demonstration of the people.
They will work it out.
Mob rule is Bush, chenney et al.
Get real.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 06/17/2009
- sushi27 I'm a Fan of sushi27 10 fans permalink

You totally miss the point - it's not about one guy being better than another, it's about everyone's vote being counted. Both candidates are conservative, but the people don't like Ahmedinejad. They were voting against him, not for another guy. Get the facts before making silly comments.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 PM on 06/17/2009
- Khirad I'm a Fan of Khirad 286 fans permalink
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It's not even about the votes. It was about a catharsis. Listen to their chants, read their signs. This is so much more than a candidate. All the above comments are irrelevant. You're setting up false choices. Although, I do get worried about them being played in some internal clerics v. IRG battle.

Since when were peaceful demonstrations against an authoritarian régime mob rule?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 AM on 06/18/2009
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Shills of IRI shake in your boots- its foundations of tyranny are in danger. It's no surprise that since you are blind to the beauty of the protests and challenges against a theocracy that you'd be 'concerned' about mob rule. IRI is a mess- a human rights cesspool that could be knocked over and you choose to malign that movement. The reform movement has been jailed and scorned by the Shah, then in 1978/79 and of course following the rotten construction of IRI. It's out in the streets, it lives, and hopefully the dictatorial mullahs can be thrown out in the streets.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 PM on 06/18/2009
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http://picasaweb.google.com/hsaber/27KhordadHafteTir#

Amazing Pictures

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 06/17/2009
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To the Iranian people:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and inalienable rights; that among these, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.­"

--Declaration of Independence as originally written by Thomas Jefferson, 1776. ME 1:29, Papers 1:315

May God grant that you secure the Liberty that is your inalienable right!

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 06/17/2009

These shorts are very enlightening.
Thanks to all for your thoughts and opinions. We Americans are totally insulated from true world news.
Outside of BBC and our own reluctance to go and look for outside news, what we are fed by our own MSM is pablum.
and pathetic.
Having lived in a foreign land during the 90s I have some perspective on that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 06/17/2009
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