GOP Opposing Public Health Care No Matter What It's Called

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First Posted: 06-23-09 04:05 PM   |   Updated: 07-24-09 05:12 AM

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Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said on Tuesday afternoon that he is "losing confidence that Senate Republicans will ever agree" to the creation of a national, nonprofit cooperative health care plan as an acceptable alternative to a public health care option, which Republicans strenuously oppose.

The national cooperative plan being floated in the Senate is comparable to the public option that President Obama and most Democrats are pushing for, Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) told reporters. And that may be enough to doom it among Republicans.

The co-op plan has emerged as a rival to the public option. But Conrad and Schumer have been negotiating to create a cooperative plan that works like a public option. Conrad, the budget committee chairman and a lead health care reform negotiator, reiterated the state of ongoing negotiations Tuesday. "Several things with respect to co-ops," he said. "Number one, that there be a national structure and state affiliates and the affiliates be able to regionalize. Two, you need start up money for this effort. We're right now talking in the range of three to four billion dollars. Senator Schumer would like something more. And that [the regional co-op affiliates] would have the ability to pool their purchasing power. That's important to being fully competitive."

And that would yield the same sort of dynamic that the president and others are seeking with the public option?" a reporter asked.

"Yeah, exactly," said Conrad.

Conrad's co-op proposal is meant to accomplish the same goal as a public option while placating GOP fears that the government would run private insurance out of business.

But Republicans have been cool to the plan. "Yesterday, Senator Conrad indicated he could go along with many of these proposals, but Senator Conrad has never been the problem here. He's been well open to negotiating on how to make the co-op plan have the kind of clout to go up against the private insurance companies, be available to everyone, be able to bargain with the providers and be ready to go on day one," said Schumer. "It has been those on the other side of the aisle who have not been willing to negotiate."

The co-op plan has no purpose if it can't pick up Republican support. "I'm losing confidence that Senate Republicans will ever agree to the types of changes to a co-op to make it a viable alternative, a viable substitute to a tradition public plan that is nationwide and available to everybody," said Schumer on the Senate floor. "We can only bend so much to try to win over opponents of health care reform. We cannot bend so far that we break. We cannot say we're putting something else out there and not have it do the job. The public option is what really does the job."

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If Democrats push through health care reform using the budget process known as reconciliation, Republicans would be unable to filibuster it.

Conrad, meanwhile, said that the Finance Committee had so far trimmed roughly $400 billion from the original proposal sent to the Congressional Budget Office.

"We're 200 billion [dollars] away from where we need to be," said Conrad, saying that the reform proposal would now cost about $1.2 trillion.

It still covers 96 percent of Americans with coverage at least "equivalent to Medicare, actuarially equivalent to Medicare," he said.

The senator said he's resisting efforts to make the proposal more generous, arguing that it must all be paid for. "People keep wanting to add cost. No, no, no, no, no, that's not where we're at," he said.

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Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said on Tuesday afternoon that he is "losing confidence that Senate Republicans will ever agree" to the creation of a national, nonprofit cooperative health care plan as ...
Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said on Tuesday afternoon that he is "losing confidence that Senate Republicans will ever agree" to the creation of a national, nonprofit cooperative health care plan as ...
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How about putting health care reform to a national referendum? Barring that, how about a national boycott ? What would happen if everyone stopped paying their medical bills until we got a health care reform bill we the people can live with?
What are they going to do, shoot us, put us all in debtors' prison, damage our credit report?
Gramma Rose

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 06/25/2009
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NO NO NO NO NO NO maybe if you do it our way NO NO NO NO hell no NO NO NO NO NO

A fresh copy of the talking points for the GOP members of congress. Update daily ! (or just reiterated)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 06/25/2009
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Corporate insurance and "health care"
Here's what they are afraid of losing:

ANNUAL COMPENSATION (2006 and 2007):
� Ronald A. Williams, Chair/ CEO, Aetna Inc., $23,045,834
� H. Edward Hanway, Chair/ CEO, Cigna Corp, $30.16 million
� David B. Snow, Jr, Chair/ CEO, Medco Health, $21.76 million
� Michael B. MCallister, CEO, Humana Inc, $20.06 million
� Stephen J. Hemsley, CEO, UnitedHealth Group, $13,164,529
� Angela F. Braly, President/ CEO, Wellpoint, $9,094,771
� Dale B. Wolf, CEO, Coventry Health Care, $20.86 million
� Jay M. Gellert, President/ CEO, Health Net, $16.65 million
� William C. Van Faasen, Chairman, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Massachusetts, $3 million plus $16.4 million in retirement benefits
� Charlie Baker, President/ CEO, Harvard Pilgrim Health Care, $1.5 million
� James Roosevelt, Jr., CEO, Tufts Associated Health Plans, $1.3 million
� Cleve L. Killingsworth, President/CEO Blue Cross Blue Shield of Massachusetts, $3.6 million
� Raymond McCaskey, CEO, Health Care Service Corp (Blue Cross Blue Shield), $10.3 million
� Daniel P. McCartney, CEO, Healthcare Services Group, Inc, $ 1,061,513
� Daniel Loepp, CEO, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, $1,657,555
� Todd S. Farha, CEO, WellCare Health Plans, $5,270,825
� Michael F. Neidorff, CEO, Centene Corp, $8,750,751
� Daniel Loepp, CEO, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, $1,657,555
� Todd S. Farha, CEO, WellCare Health Plans, $5,270,825
� Michael F. Neidorff, CEO, Centene Corp, $8,750,751

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 06/24/2009
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Wow I should go back to school (since I am laid off anyhow) and become a CEO
UNBELIEVABLE HOW THE GOP AND SOME DEMS CATER TO THESE SHARKS

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 06/25/2009

This says it all. Without politics, the solution is easy.
If the Republicans in Congress are really afraid of single-payer government sponsored insurance, they should vote to cancel their own Medicare and FEHB health insurance.
Next, If they really want to reduce spending, they should each cut their personal staffs by 3 people. That will still leave each Senator and Congressman with a 21 person staff. This would save at least $84 million in the Senate alone. (Since it's the Republicans who want to cut domestic spending so much, their personal cuts in staff should save at least $33.6 million. Of course, their Medicare and FEHB costs th taxpayer more than $500/month each.

That is much more than the proposed $200. a year for the proposed ten year trillion dollars for the uninsured. Some of which will be paid by the recipients or their employers.

What kind of country are we, if we continue to deny basic health care to our citizens?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 07/02/2009
- Tubalcain I'm a Fan of Tubalcain 6 fans permalink

This will get nowhere...if a public plan is passed...We will then have to bailout health insurance and pharma companies because they can't compete against the government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 06/24/2009
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This is why the Republicans are against Americans having a top notch Educational system. It would mean that the vast majority of Americans who are middle and lower middle class will not seek out valuable information on healthcare options. If you have millions of middle class and poor voters stuck on watching Fox and listening to right wing talk radio, they will always vote against their own best interests. You see people who have no healthcare for their families because it costs over 1,200 a month and yet will call in to Rush and say "I dont want Govt. run healthcare, it's socialism".
Even when you try and explain to these people that the Insurance Companies are making a killing with almost 30% of our payments going to pay for paperwork and CEO pay and their trying to keep us from getting care. Millions pay 20 or 30 years of payments and when they finally need treatment, the insurer will deny them treatment. This must not be allowed to go on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 06/24/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 69 fans permalink

i have coverage and i don't want the government in my health care decisions.......nor do i wish to pay for the lazy and indigent......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 06/24/2009
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I have coverage, too. I don't like the fact that MBAs have a say in my health care decisions. And you already pay for the "lazt and indigent". The average health care plan tacks on about $1000 a year toward the uninsured, just like your car insurance does. Don't kid yourself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 06/25/2009
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whoops. "lazy and indigent." typo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 06/25/2009
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Forget the Republicans.
The Democrats can pass any plan they want.
Why don't they do it already?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 06/24/2009

The Democrats can pass any plan they want. Why don't they do it?
The answer is real simple; No spine.
Our Democratic legislators have forgotten who sent them to Washington; it wasn't the GD lobbyists. These feckless boobs need to get out here in the real world and be forced to take a good hard look at the consequences of their spinelessness. If we don't get a decent health care reform bill passed the government is going to have to bail out another industry. Maybe the people of America should begin refusing to pay their medical bills until we get a health care program we can live with.
I hope President Obama doesn't cave in on this one.
Gramma Rose

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 06/25/2009
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"We can only bend so much to try to win over opponents of health care reform.

We cannot bend so far that we break.

We cannot say we're putting something else out there and not have it do the job.

The public option is what really does the job."

- Senator Chuck Schumer

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 06/24/2009
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Mr Shumer,
The Democrats can pass any plan they want.
Why don't you do it already?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 06/24/2009
- PaxEterna I'm a Fan of PaxEterna 64 fans permalink

Time for NATIONAL REFERENDUM ON HEALTH CARE.

SINGLE PAYER.

ONE SYSTEM FOR ALL

EITHER BE PART OF THE SOLUTION - OR "GO AWAY!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 06/24/2009
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Put back the uncropped photo with all five of these sourpusses.... PLEASE? It needs to become the graphic representation of the "New GOP" - Five grumpy old white guys with dour, sour looks on their mugs. I want to have it for future reference and this view shows only 2.5 of the "Gang of Five Gastronomically Impaired Republicans." The larger pic needs to be used with every story tagged GOP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 06/24/2009
- Osusuki I'm a Fan of Osusuki 33 fans permalink

Where have I seen that picture of McConnell before? Oh yeah...in the dictionary, next to the word "pederast".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 06/24/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 69 fans permalink

careful now you are bordering on libel.........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 06/24/2009
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Apologies. I thought "pederast" was a synonym for "Republican".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 06/24/2009
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PUT IT TO A NATIONAL VOTE
It's clear the legislators can't buck the insurance companies, but we the people have no such
problem
This is too important to leave up to these hacks.
A single payer national health insurance program would pass with 75% of the vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 06/24/2009
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But! But! as any fool can tell. Congress don't need no stinking public option, we get's our health care for free? your beloved U.S. Congress
HMO's Pay The Best Bribes! Right!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 06/24/2009

If the Republicans will not permit a public option it simply has to be done without most of them. It is essential that whatever pressure is needed to keep the Blue Dog Democrats in line be used. That way only one Republican needs to be spun off. Or they need to wait until Al Franken gets to the Senate.

If this does not work, reconciliation must be used.

As a last resort, if all else fails, the nuclear option needs to be used to restore majority rule to the Senate. The Constitution stipulates that only 51 votes are needed to pass a bill, not 60. Using an arcane procedural rule like the filibuster to violate the original intent of the framers of the Constitution needs to be brought to an end anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 06/24/2009

NO COMPROMISE, NO RETREAT ON THE PUBLIC OPTION!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 06/24/2009
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Wake Up People!!! This stance is not about us, it's about fulfilling the reps stance against President Obama to fail. Their objective is to prevent his policies at all costs. The dialog is already arising that if President Obama doesn't get health care he has lost, translated as failed. Overall politicians don't care about we the people, they care about preserving their political ideologies. The reps know that if we the people obtained a viable, workable, and in time self-sustaining system of quality health care it would dilute their dialog of too much government. The loser is not President Obama or the dems, but we the people. We lose from lack of representation with taxation. It is sad that many who were elected by the people to represent we the people are acting as proxies for the various groups that deny coverage, make decisions on what care you can receive, and operate for profit. It is shameful the way we the people are used for personal and political gains with no rewards to better our lives. It is shameful the way the voice of we the people is suppressed by money and power. It is shameful that some of these leaders can be so vocal in calls for humanitarian needs of those beyond our borders and fail to rise to the humanitarian needs of their own.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 06/24/2009
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it is shameful how the government feels the right to tax me more to the cover lazy and indigent with health care coverage..­.......the­n attempt to add the tax and cap fees on my energy use.....then i am sure there will be a government program to save the poor from tax and cap.......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 06/24/2009
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Forget the Republicans.
The Democrats can pass any plan they want.
Why don't they do it already?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 06/24/2009

french citizen living in the states
i can tell you that my american wife would not
hesitate to go to France for care, god forbid something serious
would happen to any family member.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 AM on 06/24/2009
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then move i don't care

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 06/24/2009
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How many times are the Republicans going to commit outrage upon outrage before they are finally voted into history as a wretchedly irresponsible political party? They've given us criminals and incompetents as presidents. They've given us unnecessary wars. They've given us "deregulation" and economic collapse. They've given us a disgraceful Supreme Court. And they try to block every progressive piece of legislation that comes along.
Enough already! Republicans should be considered political pariahs and made extinct.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 06/24/2009
- Osusuki I'm a Fan of Osusuki 33 fans permalink

I agree totally. Now if we could just convince the 'tards that keep voting for them!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 06/24/2009
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Forget the Republicans.
The Democrats can pass any plan they want.
Why don't they do it already?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 06/24/2009
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