Transformers' Jive-Talking Robots Raise Race Issues

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SANDY COHEN | 06/24/09 09:23 PM | AP

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In this film publicity image released by Paramount Pictures, twin robots, Skids, left, and Mudflap are shown in a scene from, "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen. (AP Photo/Paramount Pictures)

LOS ANGELES — Harmless comic characters or racist robots? The buzz over the summer blockbuster "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" only grew Wednesday as some said two jive-talking Chevy characters were racial caricatures. Skids and Mudflap, twin robots disguised as compact hatchbacks, constantly brawl and bicker in rap-inspired street slang. They're forced to acknowledge that they can't read. One has a gold tooth.

As good guys, they fight alongside the Autobots and are intended to provide comic relief. But their traits raise the specter of stereotypes most notably seen when Jar Jar Binks, the clumsy, broken-English speaking alien from "Star Wars: Episode I _ The Phantom Menace," was criticized as a caricature.

One fan called the Transformers twins "Jar Jar Bots" in a blog post online.

Todd Herrold, who watched the movie in New York City, called the characters "outrageous."

"It's one thing when robot cars are racial stereotypes," he said, "but the movie also had a bucktoothed black guy who is briefly in one scene who's also a stereotype."

"They're like the fools," said 18-year-old Nicholas Govede, also of New York City. "The comic relief in a degrading way."

Not all fans were offended. Twin brothers Jason and William Garcia, 18, who saw the movie in Miami, said they related to the characters _ not their illiteracy, but their bickering.

"They were hilarious," Jason said. "Every movie has their standout character, and I think they were the ones for this movie."

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In Atlanta, Rico Lawson said people were reading too much into the characters. "It was actually funny," said Lawson, 25, who saw the movie with his girlfriend in Atlanta.

That was the aim, director Michael Bay said in an interview.

"It's done in fun," he said. "I don't know if it's stereotypes _ they are robots, by the way. These are the voice actors. This is kind of the direction they were taking the characters and we went with it."

Bay said the twins' parts "were kind of written but not really written, so the voice actors is when we started to really kind of come up with their characters."

Actor Reno Wilson, who is black, voices Mudflap. Tom Kenny, the white actor behind SpongeBob SquarePants, voices Skids.

Wilson said Wednesday that he never imagined viewers might consider the twins to be racial caricatures. When he took the role, he was told that the alien robots learned about human culture through the Web and that the twins were "wannabe gangster types."

"It's an alien who uploaded information from the Internet and put together the conglomeration and formed this cadence, way of speaking and body language that was accumulated over X amount of years of information and that's what came out," the 40-year-old actor said. "If he had uploaded country music, he would have come out like that."

It's not fair to assume the characters are black, he said.

"It could easily be a Transformer that uploaded Kevin Federline data," Wilson said. "They were just like posers to me."

Kenny did not respond to an interview request Wednesday.

"I purely did it for kids," the director said. "Young kids love these robots, because it makes it more accessible to them."

Screenwriters Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman said they followed Bay's lead in creating the twins. Still, the characters aren't integral to the story, and when the action gets serious, they disappear entirely, notes Tasha Robinson, associate entertainment editor at The Onion.

"They don't really have any positive effect on the film," she said. "They only exist to talk in bad ebonics, beat each other up and talk about how stupid each other is."

Hollywood has a track record of using negative stereotypes of black characters for comic relief, said Todd Boyd, a professor of popular culture at the University of Southern California's School of Cinematic Arts, who has not seen the "Transformers" sequel.

"There's a history of people getting laughs at the expense of African-Americans and African-American culture," Boyd said. "These images are not completely divorced from history even though it's a new movie and even though they're robots and not humans."

American cinema also has a tendency to deal with race indirectly, said Allyson Nadia Field, an assistant professor of cinema and media studies at the University of California, Los Angeles.

"There's a persistent dehumanization of African-Americans throughout Hollywood that displaces issues of race onto non-human entities," said Field, who also hasn't seen the film. "It's not about skin color or robot color. It's about how their actions and language are coded racially."

If these characters weren't animated and instead played by real black actors, "then you might have to admit that it's racist," Robinson said. "But stick it into a robot's mouth, and it's just a robot, it's OK."

But if they're alien robots, she continued, "why do they talk like bad black stereotypes?"

Bay brushes off any whiff of controversy.

"Listen, you're going to have your naysayers on anything," he said. "It's like is everything going to be melba toast? It takes all forms and shapes and sizes."

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Associated Press writers Damian Grass in Miami, Ginny Byrne in New York City and Jonathan Landrum Jr. in Atlanta contributed to this report.

LOS ANGELES — Harmless comic characters or racist robots? The buzz over the summer blockbuster "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" only grew Wednesday as some said two jive-talking Chevy chara...
LOS ANGELES — Harmless comic characters or racist robots? The buzz over the summer blockbuster "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" only grew Wednesday as some said two jive-talking Chevy chara...
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I saw the movie. Those two robots acted dumb and were unnecessary. I'm surprised nobody mentioned the big ears. They almost looked like monkeys. My personal theory is that these two robots were added to appeal to the redneck anti-Obama segment of society.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 07/05/2009

Im african american. Its funny how people are angered by these characters. I wasn't raised in the best of neighborhoods, growing up I think I've seen more of my own people racist against our own kind. I can remember me being referred to as an "Oreo" . i know that half the black people who will read this have heard the term used and probably used it themselves. The robots download their characters and they all choose the characters off of preference. Is it not likely that this one stereotype would stick as a download from a species who haven't encountered racial issues but are merely amused by the culture presented. people are directly categorizing a robot with a personality like this as "black". Let me correct you..... These characters are not black... They are ghetto.. Its a culture not a race. I was raised by a mom that wouldn't let me speak that way, she would slap the taste out of my mouth If i didn't speak correct english. I wasn't allowed to listen to rap in my house. I hate when people assume that these robots are black because they are ghetto. the movie was great i was the outsider and didn't fit the stereotype. My sassy black momma, is stereotypically a single parent so there is truth to stereotypes. if we confront the could stop pointing fingers and look at the three point back at us and do something about it change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 06/27/2009
- BlackJAC I'm a Fan of BlackJAC 50 fans permalink

Agreed, as Jeff Foxworthy defines "redneck" as "a glorious absence of sophistication" that even Northerners can fall into rather than lumping all white rural Southerners into that category.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 06/27/2009

Hear Hear!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 06/30/2009
- the964kid I'm a Fan of the964kid 48 fans permalink
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I saw this movie, and it sucked for all sorts of other reasons (too long, no plot, bad acting). One thing for sure: the twins' characters were probably written by white people, who just can't imagine why these depictions would be offensive. I saw it in a crowded and racially mixed audience in downtown DC, and many people in the audience, who were immediately offended, were shouting out at the screen. Hey Bay, way to offend the movie goers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 06/26/2009
- Malkin71 I'm a Fan of Malkin71 26 fans permalink
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Are you saying that one group of people were loud and yelling at the screen in a movie theater?

I don't care for your stereotyping, sir.

Bay is awful, I'll give you that...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 06/26/2009

I sat in a racially mixed audience in the Williamsburg, VA area and no one there yelled at the screen. In fact, the audience as a whole laughed consistently.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 06/27/2009
- BlackJAC I'm a Fan of BlackJAC 50 fans permalink

Quentin Tarantino uses the N-word like a vowel and he gets feted at Cannes. Michael Bay includes some dopey robots in a summer blockbuster whose only Oscar nods will very likely be technical ones and he gets lambasted. Suffice to say this is just another off-key aria in the one-note opera that is the We Hate Michael Bay Just Because consensus the Comic-Con fanboys have promoted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 06/26/2009

I cant wait till my life is so squared away that something like this is worthy of my concern.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 06/26/2009
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Where was the "outrage" when Larry the Cable Guy portraid a Red Neck, English language mangling tow truck in Cars!!

Southerners have always been shown as Buffoons, and it has always been offensive!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 06/26/2009
- BlackJAC I'm a Fan of BlackJAC 50 fans permalink

Techinically Larry the Cable Guy is a Midwesterner, as he's from Nebraska. And those jokes tend to be based more on the provincial lack of sophistication of people in rural areas. Jeff Foxworthy, who is a Southerner, commented that part of the problem stems from the fact that they never interview educated Southerners about the recent tornado, that's it's always the woman in the muumuu and the sponge rollers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 06/26/2009
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Oprah is one of the richest women in the world, that says alot about us. Good things don't you think? Yeah mostly white men control the US but it's changing and we have an intelligent president to prove it. (Actually, China's gonna own all of us pretty soon) If the movie offends some, then speak out. Call, email or write to those who produce it, etc.. I am hispanic and I too get offended by the stereotypes portrayed on TV and cinema, but it's changing. I personally won't watch this particular movie cuz I'm not 10 but if you don't like it, don't go see it either. Money talks and Hollywood will listen if enough people boycott. However, we must not forget that stereotypes come from even our own cultures. Spanish language television is rife with it as well. It doesn't give us a pass either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 06/26/2009
- BlackJAC I'm a Fan of BlackJAC 50 fans permalink

"Hollywood will listen if enough people boycott?" The Thirty-Mile Zone occupies a parallel dimension with its own laws of physics. The only thing that will have any real effect on your career there is if you're difficult to work with. And the thing--which has a built-in fanbase that'll see it regardless--has already made $60 million worldwide, so it'll very likely have made its money back by Bastille Day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 06/26/2009

It's two robots! One of them voiced by an African-American! You want an offensive character in movies, take a look at any of those Tyler Perry movies with Medea in them. Is that any less offensive?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 AM on 06/26/2009
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Ironically, the first movie Tyler Perry did that wasn't one of his own projects was the new STAR TREK movie, written by the same guys who wrote both TRANSFORMERS movies. Where's the manufactured outrage!?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 AM on 06/26/2009
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I am offended that the pillsbury dough boy is too white. How dare they!
And if everyone in the movies spoke like white midwest yuppies there would be complaints as well.
Scatman did the voice of Hong Kong Phooey, I didn't see him as anything but a funny dog.
It's a movie about robots, get over it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 AM on 06/26/2009

Why would anyone write a post defending something that obviously offends so many?

You did it first! No, you!
But I have see some people act like this! You are not perfect either!

It really doesn't matter rational thinking people. Can we all agree Asian, African-American, white, that we do not do very well interacting cross-culturally at times. Instead of trying to defend the director, why not be quiet and learn the lesson being taught. Many hard working intelligent African-American's with and without gold teeth are offended by this character.

As David Letterman said, it was not about the intent, but about the interpretation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 PM on 06/25/2009
- Malkin71 I'm a Fan of Malkin71 26 fans permalink
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"As David Letterman said, it was not about the intent, but about the interpretation."

NO. IT IS NOT.

You want a world where people aren't judged on what they meant?

What if I "interpret" your post to be nothing more than a Neo-Nazi screed. What if I interpret strong anti-semitism? Was that your intent? Who cares, Hitler Jr. This is MY "interpretation".

People, especially those anxious to be aggrieved, can "interpret" things however benefits them the most.

Letterman only apologized because CBS made him, not because he felt he did anything wrong...which he did not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 AM on 06/26/2009

What does a person saying "I meant well," really mean in the long run.
"I didn't mean to cause that accident." "I didn't know that anyone would be offended."

I think that you can see where I'm going with this. I really don't know too many people anxious to be aggrieved, but I digress. I am not a person who argues on the extremes of a situation. I would much rather come to a sensible agreement with is somewhere between blame and victimization.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 AM on 06/26/2009
- BlackJAC I'm a Fan of BlackJAC 50 fans permalink

Then you'd be Jonah Goldberg with his book LIBERAL FASCISM.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 06/26/2009
- jimrs6 I'm a Fan of jimrs6 8 fans permalink

Meesa sees no problem here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 06/25/2009

this is a joke. GET OVER IT !!!%%%!!!

When the people who feel offended by this silly stuff, finally can laugh about it, then maybe we can say we are making progress in becoming a true melting pot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 06/25/2009
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That will be the day when some of you stop making up the false discrimination such as "reverse" racism, the "mythical ra.ce card", and stop acting as if you have been slighted by affirmative action when most people (including Whites) are pretty average in their abilities and are not as skilled as others would like to be presumed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 PM on 06/25/2009
- Jubayzee I'm a Fan of Jubayzee 2 fans permalink
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It really sucks that Michael Bay had to resort to inserting 2 racial caricatures in the form of Autobots Skids & Mudflap. I loved the movie (especially Optimus Prime's upgrade at the end) but having a complete experience was sullied by this overt homage to jigabooism of early Hollywood. If Michael Bay is now claiming he didn't know, then he's more out of tune with his art than anyone can be. Shame on him and shame on the studio who allowed those gross stereotypes to pass Quality Control.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 PM on 06/25/2009
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Can't we all agree that sitting through a Michael Bay movie is in itself offensive. Sorry I just had to say it : )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 PM on 06/25/2009
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I have faith in the young. Whether or not this movie is offensive, young people will move society forward anyway. And by forward, I mean towards equality.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 06/25/2009
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