The Climate Bill Explained

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DINA CAPPIELLO and ERIC CARVIN | 06/25/09 10:07 PM | AP

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Cap-and-trade? Offsets? Pollution credits? The climate bill under consideration in the U.S. House of Representatives tackles global warming with new limits on pollution and a market-based approach to encourage more environmentally friendly business practices. But what exactly do the proposed rules mean, and how would they work?

Some questions and answers about the bill, a top legislative priority for President Barack Obama:

Q: What's the purpose of this legislation?

A: To reduce the gases linked to global warming and to force sources for power to shift away from fossil fuels, which when burned, release heat-trapping gases, and toward cleaner sources of energy such as wind, solar and geothermal.

Q: How does the bill accomplish this?

A: By placing the first national limits on emissions of heat-trapping gases from major sources like power plants, refineries and factories. This limit effectively puts a price on the pollution, raising the cost for companies to continue to use fuels and electricity sources that contribute to global warming. This gives them an incentive to seek cleaner alternatives.

Q: Is this the "cap-and-trade" idea that has been in the news?

A: Yes. The first step in a cap-and-trade program sets a limit on the amount of gases that can be released into the atmosphere. That is the cap. Companies with facilities that are covered by the cap will then receive permits for their share of the pollution, an annual pollution allowance. This bill initially would give the bulk of the permits away for free to help ease costs, but they still would have value because there would be a limited supply. Companies that do not get a big enough allowance to cover their pollution would either have to find ways to reduce it, which can be expensive, or buy additional permits from companies that have reduced pollution enough to have allowances left over. That is the trade. Companies typically would pick the cheaper option: reducing pollution or buying permits. They also have a third choice: They can invest in pollution reductions made elsewhere, such as farms that capture methane or plant trees. These are known as offsets.

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Q: So the idea is to try to reduce the overall level of pollution, regardless of whether, say, a particular factory reduces emissions?

A: That is true in the beginning. But as the cap gets lower and lower, reaching an 83 percent reduction by 2050, eventually all polluters will have to reduce. It is merely a question of when. For instance, it will be very tough for coal plants to reduce emissions at the outset of the program because the technology to capture and store carbon dioxide is not yet commercially available. It probably is 10 to 20 years away. So they will be buying offsets and buying allowances from other entities that will have an easier time.

Q: Do most environmentalists support this approach?

A: Most do, at least broadly. Cap-and-trade has had success. Since 1990, the United States has had a cap-and-trade program for sulfur dioxide, the main culprit in acid rain. Democrats have had to make a lot of concessions to win votes for the current bill from lawmakers from coal, oil and farm states. Some liberal environmentalists think these concessions weaken the bill. For instance, the bill's sponsors have had to lower the cap _ it originally called for a 20 percent cut by 2020 _ to 17 percent. Research suggests that much deeper cuts will be needed globally to avert the most serious consequences of global warming.

Q: Who opposes this approach, and why?

A: Republicans, some farm groups, some environmentalists, the oil industry, which feels it has received too few free permits, and some moderate Democrats. They all worry about the cost and the loss of jobs if industries move to countries that do not have controls on greenhouse gases. The bill has provisions to prevent this, but there are questions whether they will work. Republicans call the bill a national energy tax on every American family. This is because, as industries spend money to reduce pollution or buy credits, they will pass on that cost to consumers, the people who turn on the lights or pump gas in their cars. Recent analyses by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office show that the new rules eventually will cost the average household an extra $175 a year.

Q: Under the bill, what will happen to companies that do not follow the rules?

A: If they exceed their limit, they will have to pay a fine equal to twice the cap-and-trade price for each ton of pollution over the limit.

Q: Other than costs potentially being passed along to consumers, will this affect most Americans' day-to-day lives?

A: It fundamentally will change how we use, produce and consume energy, ending the country's love affair with big gas-guzzling cars and its insatiable appetite for cheap electricity. This bill will put smaller, more efficient cars on the road, swap smokestacks for windmills and solar panels, and transform the appliances you can buy for your home.

Q: How quickly will we notice these changes?

A: Some will occur more quickly than others. For instance, measures to boost energy efficiency in buildings and appliances are the low-hanging fruit that does not require major infrastructure changes or new technologies. Other changes are decades off and probably will come when the cap gets more stringent and permits get more expensive. For instance, the country can build more wind and more solar panels, but currently it lacks the transmission lines to move the energy they generate to population centers. As for cars: While more efficient models are a near-term reality, it will take a while to change out the fleet. Some people will continue driving 10-year-old gas guzzlers.

Q: What are the chances this bill will become law?

A: Both the Obama administration and Democrats want this bill passed by the end of the year, when negotiations for a new international agreement to reduce greenhouse gases get under way in Copenhagen, Denmark. Even as Democrats hold the majority in Congress, it will not be easy to get this enacted. Many moderate Democrats from rural states and conservative districts are worried about the costs and complexity of the legislation when the economy is already weak. Very few Republicans, if any, are expected to support the bill. Approval of a climate bill in the Senate has been viewed as a long shot. Parts of the bill may need to be changed to secure approval in the Senate.

Q: Why is it so important to tackle global warming anyway?

A: Left untended, scientists say, global warming will cause sea levels to rise, increase storms and worsen air pollution. For these reasons, the Environmental Protection Agency recently concluded that six greenhouse gases pose dangers to human health and welfare. And politically, without U.S. action, developing countries like China probably will not agree to mandatory pollution limits.

Cap-and-trade? Offsets? Pollution credits? The climate bill under consideration in the U.S. House of Representatives tackles global warming with new limits on pollution and a market-based approach to ...
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This is a terrible plan!

Rather than taxing the companies and using the $$ for programs for US citizens (health care, for example), the govt wants to create a new commodities market with these pollution credits. This will lead to insider trading, inflated energy prices and surely another prospecting boom-bubbl­e-crash...

Please read this article on Goldman Sachs and the pollution credit system:

http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/06/goldman-sachs-engineering-every-major.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 06/26/2009
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They are called derivatives. And guess who first proposed legislation for them over a decade ago....ENRON

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 06/26/2009
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"The Climate Bill Explained"

That's easy....Tax

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 06/26/2009
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Climate Change Deniers Explained

That's easy....Greed, Arrogance, and Selfishness

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 06/26/2009
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Better than being a sucker. You back a proposal will do absolutely NOTHING for so called Global Warming and it will cost you twice as much to do it. Again....Sucker.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 06/28/2009
- power1 I'm a Fan of power1 4 fans permalink

How can explain something they haven't read?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 06/26/2009
- zipowitz I'm a Fan of zipowitz 32 fans permalink

Great line from this article that explains a lot, "It fundamentally will change how we use, produce and consume energy, ending the country's love affair with big gas-guzzling cars and its insatiable appetite for cheap electricity" Last line, "its insatiable appetite for cheap electricity" So they don't want affordable electricity, they want EXPENSIVE electricity that somehow will only cost us $175 a year. Obama has said it in the past and this article just confirms it, they want to make current modes of power supply to be so expensive that they will have to capitulate and shut down. Nor do they like what kind of car you drive so they want YOU to change that to to what THEY want you to own. But don't worry, it won't cost you much. What a joke.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 PM on 06/26/2009
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Nice to see Senator Reid, did not know he was still around. And, Mrs. Pelosi, how nice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 06/26/2009

What melted the last half dozen Ice Ages?

Not my SUV....

This is a tax and control bill that would make any dictator blush. Unfortunately, for Democrats it is par for the course.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 06/26/2009

My question is, why would senators (who one day will no longer be senators) want more taxes imposed upon .. themselves? Doesn't quite seem logical them coming to work everyday going,

"Gee, I wonder how I can make LESS money flow into my bank account".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 06/26/2009
- zipowitz I'm a Fan of zipowitz 32 fans permalink

Do you really think they are not making any money off of this? Al Gore is poised to make millions off of this scam why don't you think Senators won't either?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 06/26/2009

Also, they are wealthy and as a percentage income it will be a much smaller sacrifice to them compared to the poor and middle class who will bear the brunt of this hideous plan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 06/26/2009

The economy is not on the mend.
The next shoe to drop is the STRIP MALL CRASH.
House prices are still falling.
This is a bill that will harm manufactures.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 06/26/2009
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"Q: Why is it so important to tackle global warming anyway?

A: Left untended, scientists say, global warming will cause sea levels to rise, increase storms and worsen air pollution. For these reasons, the Environmental Protection Agency recently concluded that six greenhouse gases pose dangers to human health and welfare. And politically, without U.S. action, developing countries like China probably will not agree to mandatory pollution limits."

This is a pathetically weak answer.

Try, "Global warming is the key driving factor behind Global Climate Change which threatens the very web of life that supports humans and most creatures that live on the surface of the earth. Negative changes have already occurred and the pace of change is increasing. Nobody knows just how severe things will get because nobody knows if we humans can curb the polluting of our atmosphere in time. In a worst-case scenario, Earth will be unable to support humans and other life as we know it today. In less-severe scenarios, we may change Earth's climate such that it can only support a small fraction of the humans that it does today. Even with the full achievement of all the goals outlined in this bill and in other legislation put forward by this administration, very significant climate change, world wide, is assured as it is simply too little, too late. To help avoid significant change from where we are today would take the achievement of these same goals in about ten years."
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 06/26/2009

Ok sure chicken little. The earth has never regulated itself for hundreds of millions of years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 06/26/2009
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I'm an Earth Scientist. You?
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 06/26/2009
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You are correct. In the end the earth will regulate itself just fine. Just ask the dinosaurs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 06/26/2009
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The earth didn't have to contend with industrialized society for hundreds of millions of years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 06/28/2009
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Your answer is even worse, the sky is falling. The earth has been much warmer before and will be warmer again. Greenland was actually green and will be green again and then covered in ice again. It's natural cycles that you can't control and if you think WE can, you are utterly mistaken.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 06/26/2009

I agree totally.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 06/26/2009
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 82 fans permalink


Even if true it ignores the gulf stream and was nothing like world-wide.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 06/26/2009
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Actually Greenland wasn't green. They called Greenland and Iceland names opposite of what they actually were.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 06/26/2009
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Here is a link you should read. At least Australia has figured out that the the "science" is not in on this AND how it will destroy their economy. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124597505076157449.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 06/26/2009
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Deniers! Deniers! Hee hee . . .

The ice caps on Mars are melting - will Martians pass a cap and trade too?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 06/26/2009
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Ahem.

Read my bio.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 06/26/2009
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Consider the source(s).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 PM on 06/28/2009
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It just passed on a close vote so get ready to bend over America!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 06/26/2009
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Q: Will this bill have any effect on global warming if China and India don't do similar things to their economies?

A: No

Q: If that is the case, what is the major effect of the bill?

A: It will put the American economy at a disadvantage to the Chinese and Indian economies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 06/26/2009
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Bingo! Economic suicide but nothing pleases libs more than taking taxpayers money . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 06/26/2009
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Where you been, lemmy (nice name by the way) Bushco was the one committing economic suicide.

Don't think we forgot did ya?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 06/26/2009
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Will China and India do _anything_ if we don't?

No.

So in your world we all die because nobody was willing to go first.

I'm glad you don't run the world.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 06/26/2009
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"Q: Will this bill have any effect on global warming if China and India don't do similar things to their economies?"

Yes. Our leadership and example will pressure them to move in the right direction. They happen to be residents of the planet as well and when they see the US finally getting serious, they will be more inclined to get in line.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 06/26/2009

This is the first bill the democrats have sponsored that I absolutely hate. Pay attention to the fact that environmentalists do not like it.

It will greatly expand wind farms which are an environmental disaster. Requiring miles and miles of transmission lines due to the fact that
Wind farms have to be away from the general population as they are a documented health hazard.
The energy can't be stored. It is only produced when the wind blows. If it blows too hard the turbines shut down as the blades turning rapidly are a fire hazard. So much so they are uninsurable.

And don't forget..if this bill goes through..Windfarms are built all over the country. The transmission lines may go through your property.It can be taken by emminent domain. States have no voice in it. Just FERC.It is like the wild wild west. No regulation ...just scads of govt. money waiting for international corporations who care nothing about America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 06/26/2009
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Why Some Environmentalists Oppose the House Climate Bill
http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/house-climate-bill-47062602

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 06/26/2009
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Dems won't be happy until they completely destroy the economy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 06/26/2009

The really funny part about this tax plan is that the hardest hit will definitely be the poor and middle class that they are suppose to champion for. They will take the brunt of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 06/26/2009
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The really funny part is that this isn't a tax plan - it's a penalty imposed on POLLUTANTS. To the extent that the POLLUTANTS pass off their penalties to the American people, they should be held accountable. The American people will find ways to conserve energy, build more efficient homes and buildings and drive more efficient vehicles. Our dependency on foreign oil will come to an end and our reliance on fossil fuels will be curbed. These industries will die at the hand of new and more innovative companies- the natural progression of capitalism, pricespector. We're sorry you're on the wrong side.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 06/26/2009
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To be fair, both parties are only for themselves but the thing with the Dems is that they make it worse for the base they represent. They have been fighting for the'poor' for 50 years....and they're still poor. And since I just saw on FOX that the bill passed, they will be worse off.

At least the stereotypical Pub makes his base richer...or at least so the Dums say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 06/26/2009
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silly power1..

you're not a recent history buff are you?

clinton years = great for the economy

bush years = not so much lol

obama first 2/4 year = economy already on the mend!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 06/26/2009
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Clinton had a VERY BIG bubble that did do great UNTIL it busted and lead to a recession. But forget that, Obama is now at close to 10% unemployment (not including those that no longer apply for it) and has almost a $1.9 Trillion dollar deficit and projected Trillion dollar deficits for the next decade. Now he plans on spending more. How is that on the mend?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 06/26/2009

Ah fumes, we find our divide. Haha. I'm not necessarily a naysayer, but he is spending an awful lot of money that we don't have. I'm really thinking it's way too much...that is unless he passes Cap & Trade...haha.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 06/26/2009

http://www.petitionproject.org/

31,478 American scientists have signed this petition,
including 9,029 with PhDs

http://www.petitionproject.org/qualifications_of_signers.php

1. Atmospheric, environmental, and Earth sciences includes 3,803 scientists trained in specialties directly related to the physical environment of the Earth and the past and current phenomena that affect that environment.

2. Computer and mathematical sciences includes 935 scientists trained in computer and mathematical methods. Since the human-caused global warming hypothesis rests entirely upon mathematical computer projections and not upon experimental observations, these sciences are especially important in evaluating this hypothesis.

3. Physics and aerospace sciences include 5,810 scientists trained in the fundamental physical and molecular properties of gases, liquids, and solids, which are essential to understanding the physical properties of the atmosphere and Earth.

4. Chemistry includes 4,818 scientists trained in the molecular interactions and behaviors of the substances of which the atmosphere and Earth are composed.

5. Biology and agriculture includes 2,964 scientists trained in the functional and environmental requirements of living things on the Earth.

6. Medicine includes 3,046 scientists trained in the functional and environmental requirements of human beings on the Earth.

7. Engineering and general science includes 10,102 scientists trained primarily in the many engineering specialties required to maintain modern civilization and the prosperity required for all human actions, including environmental programs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 06/26/2009
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ahhhh they're all paid by Exxon

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 06/26/2009
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