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President Barack Obama gestures during his joint news conference with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, not shown, Friday, June 26, in the East Room of the White House in Washington. (AP Photo/Ron Edmonds)

WASHINGTON — In a triumph for President Barack Obama, the Democratic-controlled House narrowly passed sweeping legislation Friday that calls for the nation's first limits on pollution linked to global warming and aims to usher in a new era of cleaner, yet more costly energy.

The vote was 219-212, capping months of negotiations and days of intense bargaining among Democrats. Republicans were overwhelmingly against the measure, arguing it would destroy jobs in the midst of a recession while burdening consumers with a new tax in the form of higher energy costs.

At the White House, Obama said the bill would create jobs, and added that with its vote, the House had put America on a path toward leading the way toward "creating a 21st century global economy."

The House's action fulfilled Speaker Nancy Pelosi's vow to clear major energy legislation before July 4. It also sent the measure to a highly uncertain fate in the Senate, where Majority Leader Harry Reid said he was "hopeful that the Senate will be able to debate and pass bipartisan and comprehensive clean energy and climate legislation this fall."

Obama lobbied recalcitrant Democrats by phone from the White House as the House debate unfolded across several hours, and Al Gore posted a statement on his Web site saying the measure represents "an essential first step towards solving the climate crisis." The former vice president won a Nobel Peace Prize for his work drawing attention to the destructive potential of global warming.

On the House floor, Democrats hailed the legislation as historic, while Republicans said it would damage the economy without solving the nation's energy woes.

It is "the most important energy and environmental legislation in the history of our country," said Rep. Ed Markey of Massachusetts. "It sets a new course for our country, one that steers us away from foreign oil and towards a path of clean American energy."

But Rep. John Boehner, the House Republican leader, used an extraordinary one-hour speech shortly before the final vote to warn of unintended consequences in what he said was a "defining bill." He called it a "bureaucratic nightmare" that would cost jobs, depress real estate prices and put the government into parts of the economy where it now has no role.

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The legislation would require the U.S. to reduce carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions by 17 percent from 2005 levels by 2020 and by about 80 percent by mid-century. That was slightly more aggressive than Obama originally wanted, 14 percent by 2020 and the same 80 percent by mid-century.

U.S. carbon dioxide emissions from the burning of fossil fuels are rising at about 1 percent a year and are predicted to continue increasing without mandatory limits.

Under the bill, the government would limit heat-trapping pollution from factories, refineries and power plants and issue allowances for polluters. Most of the allowances would be given away, but about 15 percent would be auctioned by bid and the proceeds used to defray higher energy costs for lower-income individuals and families.

"Some would like to do more. Some would like to do less," House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said in advance of the final vote. "But we have reached a compromise ... and it is a compromise that can pass this House, pass that Senate, be signed by the president and become law and make progress."

That seemed unlikely, judging from Reid's cautiously worded statement. "The bill is not perfect," it said, but rather "a good product" for the Senate to begin working on.

And there was plenty to work on in a House-passed measure that pointed toward higher electricity bills for the middle class, particularly in the Midwest and South, as well as steps to ease the way for construction of new nuclear reactors, the first to be built since the accident at Three Mile Island in 1979.

The bill's controversy was on display in the House, where only eight Republicans joined 211 Democrats in favor, while 44 Democrats joined 168 Republicans in opposition. And within an hour of the vote, both party campaign committees had begun attacking lawmakers for their votes.

One of the biggest compromises involved the near total elimination of an administration plan to sell pollution permits and raise more than $600 billion over a decade _ money to finance continuation of a middle class tax cut. About 85 percent of the permits are to be given away rather than sold, a concession to energy companies and their allies in the House _ and even that is uncertain to survive in the Senate.

The final bill also contained concessions to satisfy farm-state lawmakers, ethanol producers, hydroelectric advocates, the nuclear industry and others, some of them so late that they were not made public until 3 a.m. on Friday.

Supporters and opponents agreed the bill's result would be higher energy costs but disagreed vigorously on the impact on consumers. Democrats pointed to two reports _ one from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office and the other from the Environmental Protection Agency _ that suggested average increases would be limited after tax credits and rebates were taken into account. The CBO estimated the bill would cost an average household $175 a year, the EPA $80 to $110 a year.

Republicans questioned the validity of the CBO study and noted that even that analysis showed actual energy production costs increasing $770 per household. Industry groups have cited other studies showing much higher costs to the economy and to individuals.

The White House and congressional Democrats argued the bill would create millions of "green jobs" as the nation shifts to greater reliance on renewable energy sources such as wind and solar and development of more fuel-efficient vehicles _ and away from use of fossil fuels such as oil, gas and coal.

It will "make our nation the world leader on clean energy jobs and technology," declared Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., who negotiated deals with dozens of lawmakers in recent weeks to broaden the bill's support.

Pelosi, D-Calif., took an intense personal interest in the measure, sitting through hours of meetings with members of the rank and file and nurturing fragile compromises.

At its heart, the bill was a trade-off, less than the White House initially sought though it was more than Republicans said was acceptable. Some of the dealmaking had a distinct political feel. Rep. Alan Grayson, a first-term Democrat, won a pledge of support that $50 million from the proceeds of pollution permit sales in the bill would go to a proposed new hurricane research facility in his district in Orlando, Fla.

In the run-up to the vote, Democrats left little to chance.

Rep. Ellen Tauscher, D-Calif., confirmed by the Senate on Thursday to an administration post, put off her resignation from Congress until after the final vote on the climate change bill. And Rep. Patrick Kennedy, D-R.I., who has been undergoing treatment at an undisclosed facility, returned to the Capitol to support the legislation. He has said he struggles with depression, alcoholism and addiction, but has not specified the cause for his most recent absence.

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- AllenD I'm a Fan of AllenD 36 fans permalink
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So did Boehner sit down and have a good cry after the bill passed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 06/27/2009
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-More likely went and polished off a bottle of booze. Boehner has already demonstrated his ignorance of the subject in any case.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 06/28/2009
- Chip W I'm a Fan of Chip W 18 fans permalink

Why is it we're entitled to cheap energy?
It would be nice if those whose thinking is determined by their wallets could get a sense of a bigger picture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 06/27/2009
- MaryanneAZ I'm a Fan of MaryanneAZ 110 fans permalink
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For me, I do not want to stand around doing nothing while the climate heats up around me and I can no longer sustain my life on this planet. There is a lot of credible evidence just in our weather trends alone to convince me that something needs to be done to slow global warming. I'm not a scientist, but I can understand that Arizona now has many more 100 degree plus days per year and that number continues to rise. We also have more and bigger wildfires each year. We have seen many odd and abberant weather patterns in our Country over the last decade alone that should give us reason to believe the planet may be changing in a harmful way. The way I see it, a cap and trade bill is a step in the direction of doing something. Bills can be modified, reviewed, repealed. They are not written in stone. If we find this Bill is not doing the trick, then we can change course. I would like to give the cap and trade bill a chance to help us grow green energy and slow global warming or climate change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 06/27/2009
- jake1492 I'm a Fan of jake1492 9 fans permalink

It seems likely that the "ample evidence" of which you speak is actually a group of unrelated incidents which it is very difficult to interpret the significance of, and that hype (well meaning or otherwise) suggesting a AGW cause has led you to conclude that you see evidence of disaster looming. I wonder if you feel similarly alarmed on a calm beautiful spring morning after the storm?

The simple idea of even observing climate and understanding what state it is in..... let alone understanding what direction it is moving..... is profoundly complex and statistical in nature.

It seems almost certain that you mean well. But the conclusions you draw from the evidence you describe are not compelling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 06/30/2009

How out of touch can the re-Thuglicans be?

The economy is ALREADY damaged!@!

Wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 06/27/2009
- JulieSA I'm a Fan of JulieSA 159 fans permalink
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44 Dems voted against it because this law will make the economy even worse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 06/27/2009
- MaryanneAZ I'm a Fan of MaryanneAZ 110 fans permalink
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They likely voted against it because they are from coal mining states that would see a greater impact due to cap and trade than non-coal states. There are several provisions and several reasons to vote against a Bill. It is disingenous to lump all 44 Dems as voting against the Bill due to the proposition that it "will make the economy even worse."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 06/27/2009

A hand full of Republican: The BIG STORY here is that this bill would not have passed without the 8 republicans that crossed party lines to vote with the Dems. These votes made the differents, without them the bill would have failed by one vote. I wonder what will be the fate of the 8 republicans that dared to vote with the democats and defy their party leaders. Now that is the big story that I hear no one talking about. We owe those 8 brave Republicans our gratitude.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 06/27/2009
- JulieSA I'm a Fan of JulieSA 159 fans permalink
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OOhhhh, the Republicans are sure talking about it. Believe me. It's a big topic on conservative blogs. These 8 are NOT popular.

44 Dems voted against it. The ones who are in big trouble with Pelosi are the four who changed their vote to No at the last minute.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 06/27/2009
- MaryanneAZ I'm a Fan of MaryanneAZ 110 fans permalink
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Republicans and Democrats alike should be voting for or against a Bill because of its merits not its impact on their popularity or political future. That's why we vote them in. BTW, can the Republicans really afford to turn their backs on representatives already in office. It is very dicey to run someone new when people are so inclined to vote for an incumbent. Just saying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 06/27/2009

Big trouble with Pelosi? She's the mama and these are misbehaving children? Bad, bad 44 democrats! Must be the rumors that she threatened democrats are true.

Did you ever think that perhaps they were actually representing their voters? In case you have forgotten, (or never knew) that is what the representatives are supposed to do - represent their constituents.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 PM on 06/27/2009

When I was a child I used to dream of a Politician that would come along and change America and the World.

I must confess it was fostered by an old Frank Capra movie "Mr Smith goes to Washington" an honest and upright American who wanted to change America. When he arrives in Washington he learns quickly that it is filled with corrupt politicians and powerful and corrupt lobbyists, they confronted the honest man and vowed to break him if he didn't conform, the honest man refused and raged against the corrupt until in the end he was victorious.

When I was a child I caught a fleeting glimpse
Out of the corner of my eye
I turned to look but it was gone
I cannot put my finger on it now
The child is grown
The dream is gone
And I have become comfortably numb

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 06/27/2009
- JulieSA I'm a Fan of JulieSA 159 fans permalink
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Humans are not perfect, and never will be. Democracy is messy. We do the best we can do. That's life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 PM on 06/27/2009
- Cogitoe I'm a Fan of Cogitoe 4 fans permalink

The Climate bill may be the moral thing to do to fight global warming, but let's not pretend it will actually result in more jobs as Pelosi claims. Sure there will be a large new bureaucracy created in Washington to administer it and a material increase in clean energy jobs, but those job additions will be drarwfed by the massive jobs lost as a result of the intended and inevitable major increase in average energy costs throughout our economy. The result of the bill will be an enormous transfer of wealth from the middle class to a few corporations and carbon cap traders. If our goal is to save the planet, perhaps we don't care. In this view, the middle class has enjoyed a free ride for centuries without paying the true cost of energy with all the environmental and politcal externalities added. But as for "jobs, jobs, jobs jobs" the opposite will happen and during a recession. As for actually saving the planet, don't hold your breath. Without China, India and developing other countries joining us it will simply fail. They are not interested. They will continue growing their economies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 06/27/2009
- MaryanneAZ I'm a Fan of MaryanneAZ 110 fans permalink
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It appears that we will have a chance to learn directly whether Speaker Pelosi is correct or not. The Bill passed. This was a big accomplishment for the Speaker.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 06/27/2009

Ah, but it should not be about a victory or accomplishment for the speaker. it should be about how this affects you and me, our families, our neighbors. The speaker could care less. Do you think she or any of the others are going to give up thier private jets, etec? They are not going to let this billaffect them in any way. It will invade our lives, our taxes, our choices. It is a shame it the passage of this bill in not an accomplishment for us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 06/27/2009
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KILL the F-22 program. Its the perfect place to start getting a grip on the Defense Boondoggle. I'm tired of paying for somebody's favorite hobby.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 AM on 06/27/2009
- jake1492 I'm a Fan of jake1492 9 fans permalink

It's already killed. Someone is trying to bring it back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 06/30/2009
- hauty007 I'm a Fan of hauty007 3 fans permalink

Is Congress right or wrong to pass this bill, who's gonna pay for it?

Climate shimate, perhaps taxes in the Rust Belt will give the USA a big smiley FACE.

How can US pay it, maybe tax Corp., they'll close up, maybe, the STATES, they'll go bankrupt, maybe you? Do you think the USA has been hijacked, maybe not, maybe so.

Look at the list of Congress up for 2010 Re-election and you determine your own fate.

List/ LINK all CONGRESS up for 2010 re-election go VIRAL, share, bookmark
http://teapartypatriots.org/Members%20of%20Congress%202010.xlsx.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 AM on 06/27/2009
- 1dogs2 I'm a Fan of 1dogs2 121 fans permalink

Wooohooo!! Good job, Sen. Pelosi!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 06/26/2009
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This is all about carbon futures trading - I'm gathering cash and getting ready. There will be billions made in the trade and will make m-backs, strip-derivatives, and Dutch tulips look like sane investments. I'm gathering up carbon credit futures from thousands of farmers - corn and beans suck carbon dioxide. If anyone is interested in investing, let me know. We're also developing the securitization components of carbon credits. I'm up against Al Gore and his buddies. It will be a tough battle; however, I have some strong dollars in place (like from that guy who rides in the helicopter when he advertises his company). Believe me, Al is in it for the money. I've had a couple of conversations with some of his guys and they are aware of the billions in the carbon credit futures trading business.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 06/26/2009
- dennisrs I'm a Fan of dennisrs 32 fans permalink
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I guess I'll plant tree and get ready to sell them for Carbo Credits.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 06/26/2009
- rantsrus I'm a Fan of rantsrus 2 fans permalink

Let's just argue this into our oblivion. This is like a bad science fiction movie where all the naysayers (usually the military or politicans) realize too late that the earth is just about to either self destruct or be destroyed by some alien force. And, then, when its almost too late, the handsome scientist hero comes in and saves the day. Well, naysayers, there is no real life handsome scientist who can save the day unless the reality of what is happening to the earth is accepted by all of us. There is no danger in doing something but there is much risk in doing nothing but just emitting more verbal gas in advocacy of life as usual.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 06/26/2009
- jake1492 I'm a Fan of jake1492 9 fans permalink

huh?
There is a big cost to doing something.
And there's likely no risk at all to doing nothing.

It all hinges on whether AGW is a real problem.
Why don't you go out and spend 1 1/2 times as much on a car that gets half the gas mileage as the one you currently drive? Because you have a fine tuned idea about the economics of that. This bill imposes that expensive care with the high ongoing operating cost on everyone. Fine, if it's needed. Not fine if it's not needed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 06/26/2009
- dennisrs I'm a Fan of dennisrs 32 fans permalink
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What is AGW anyway?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 06/26/2009

This sounds like a fear of change. If everyone thought like this, we wouldn't have any advancements.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 06/27/2009
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There's "likely not risk to doing nothing"? That's not even close to true anymore. There is no legitimate scientist who does not believe that it is a cause for concern. There is much more hard data that when the idea was first introduced, and it should have been taken seriously much earlier. But big business spent money dispensing pseudoscience instead of making any effort to address the problem. Now it will be more difficult and more costly-and it still might be too little, too late.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 06/27/2009
- myvoice09 I'm a Fan of myvoice09 3 fans permalink

This is the worst bill ever! It will make our utility rates go sky-high, will take away freedoms (such as the what types of cars we can drive), and it will lose more jobs than it will creates (companies that haven't "gone green" will "go" out of the country)! Plus, I find it extremely disturbing that many of the politicians try to push this through, have investments in "green" industry and stand to make millions if it passes. Talk about a conflict of interest! I don't want the government to tell me what kind of car I can drive or how often I can drive it, or what kind of lawnmower I can use, or how long I can run my air conditione­r/heater). This is supposed to be a free country! If they are so worried about global warming, why isn't pelosi & crew demanding that the chinese "go green?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 06/26/2009

The Government limits what kind of car you can drive now! There are safety limits...for example, head lights and tail lights. They expect your car to have brakes, whether you want them or not. They expect your car to have certain pollution controls, not counting CO2. Whether you want them or not.

It seems like what you want is anarchy. Everyone free to do whatever they want....pollute and trash and maim and kill. Freedom. Freedom that does not recognize the effects of what you do on everyone else. Actually, you are welcome to build your own car and lawnmower...you just can't use that car on public roads. Use it on your own private road. Don't have one? Tough.

Sorry, you are in the wrong country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 06/26/2009
- dennisrs I'm a Fan of dennisrs 32 fans permalink
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Same folks that for this bill will be B******* about it next year that nobody read it how could the vote & pass such a bill without reading reading it blah blah blah.
But hopefully the Senate will kill it let us pray that they do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 06/26/2009
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Actually the adminstration IS talking to China about this-and China at least is listening because they are starting to have serious pollution concerns of their own. As far as "demanding"it of them-do you really think the US is in a position to do that right now? In any case, making "demands" is not a good way to get people to listen to you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 06/27/2009
- dennisrs I'm a Fan of dennisrs 32 fans permalink
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Yeah I wonder just many new coal fired power plants(over 200 to be built this year alone) they will stop building because they talked to the "BHO"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 PM on 06/27/2009

I am sure China is not going to listen to us talk to them about pollution. With the mess our economy is in and with their help in our bail-out....I am pretty sure they are not going to take our advice on pollution. Besides, just look at the jobs we will be sending their way!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 06/27/2009
- Jim Welke I'm a Fan of Jim Welke 2 fans permalink
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Pass H.R. 2454

Not passing it will cost a lot more than the much exaggerated claims for the effects of cap & trade.

We should get smart and join the people that would grow our economy for everyone for the long term rather than sucking it dry for stockholders in the short term.

Progressives who oppose HR 2454 should remember the other provisions of this bill besides cap & trade, such as efficiency and the renewable energy standard. Big steps for Congress, which has invariably caved to suicidal status quo Big Energy interests in the past.

more info: http://cyclopsvue.blogspot.com/2009/05/what-if-the-american-clean-energy-and.html
more more info: http://cyclopsvue.blogspot.com/search/label/Energy

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 06/26/2009
- jake1492 I'm a Fan of jake1492 9 fans permalink

You've written:
"Not passing it will cost a lot more than the much exaggerated claims for the effects of cap & trade.
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That is a huge statement considering the billions of dollars it will cost to change over the electrical system from coal fired to non-carbon emitting. There's about 500 GW of coal fired power production ability in the country and it will probably cost about $4 Billion per GW, so.... about $2 Trillion if it is changed out (which would be the ultimate goal of a cap and trade system)..... obviously over a very long period of time. There are other industries affected which would add to the cost..... and possibly the biggest component of that would be to drive industries to other countries where they do not have the same obligations.

Why do you say that it would cost more to not do cap and trade? Can you point to a credible source of information that claims there will be costs higher than the economic dislocation of changing over our power production and industries to non-carbon emitting energy? Can you point to any studies at all that analyze this subject, credible or not? If not.... how can you make the statement?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 06/26/2009
- dennisrs I'm a Fan of dennisrs 32 fans permalink
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Jim 1 question: Did you read the bill? Well 2 questions Do you you understand it all?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 06/26/2009
- Rayme I'm a Fan of Rayme 9 fans permalink

The cost of cap and trade will be enormous as manufacturing companies flee to countries without this insane tax on productivity and Americans gain higher unemployment rates. Go Obama crush the little guy and the economy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 PM on 06/26/2009

May I suggest you read the following information for a better understanding of "cap and trade".

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2008/01/pdf/capandtrade101.pdf

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 06/27/2009
- dennisrs I'm a Fan of dennisrs 32 fans permalink
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Yep more of our jobs lost to contries with no controls or controls by graft.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 06/27/2009
- dave1111 I'm a Fan of dave1111 40 fans permalink

Gravity is a fact, evolution is a fact, global warming is a fact. Get over it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 06/26/2009
- jake1492 I'm a Fan of jake1492 9 fans permalink

why do you believe that (anthropgenic, that is.... man made) global warming is a fact? how bad of a problem do you believe it is, and why? and why do you believe that we can do something about it? how much do you think it will cost the country and you to address the problem, and why do you think that?

Do you have any solid sources of information about this at all?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 06/26/2009

This is a forum, not a college. If you really wanted to discuss global warming in a serious manner, you would go to realclimate.org and discuss it with atmospheric scientists.

However, it's obvious you don't want to know anything about global warming...but you do want to create discension and obfuscation.

Glaciers around the world are melting. Scientists say that CO2 is a green house gas and it is increasing from anthropogenic activities and they offer that as the explanation for melting glaciers. Increasing CO2 levels could result in a 10 degree increase in global temperatures. If that happens, the result would be devastating to life on the planet, including man.

I support the development of green energy and, yes, I am willing to pay more for non or less polluting cars, etc. Maybe you have stock in or work for oil or coal companies. I don't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 06/26/2009
- dennisrs I'm a Fan of dennisrs 32 fans permalink
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Hey don't you know that even the Global "Warming" Nuts have replaced "warming" with Global Climate Change, they covered their bets that way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 06/26/2009
- dennisrs I'm a Fan of dennisrs 32 fans permalink
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If evolution why is called the"Theroy of Evolution" dave1111111?

"global warming is a fact" please direct me to that "Fact Book" dave1111

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 06/26/2009

dennisrs,

Let me explain something in a manner that possibly you might understand­...admitte­dly, it's a small possibility. Evolution is a fact. But how does it work? The theory of evolution by natural selection was Darwin's attempt to explain how evolution works. You, I suppose, would agree that gravity is a fact. Now, go ahead, and explain how it works. Yeah, I'm waiting. I'm waiting for something more than when you drop something, it falls towards the ground. Explain why it falls to the ground. The theory of evolution by Darwin offers a better explaination about the fact of evolution than you (or anyone else) can offer about how gravity works.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 06/26/2009
- Rayme I'm a Fan of Rayme 9 fans permalink

Stop calling it Global Warming, it's now Climate Change and the last two years have been the coolest on record.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 06/26/2009
- MaryanneAZ I'm a Fan of MaryanneAZ 110 fans permalink
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You obviously do not live in Phoenix, Arizona or most of the U.S. Have you seen the news reports of the record heat across most the Nation in the last several days? My electric bill has skyrocketed in Arizona due to the number of 100 degree plus days we "enjoy" each year. Our 100 degree days are now possible in April and run through November in some years. Eight months of potential 100 degree days is very costly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 06/27/2009
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