Axelrod: Ignore Ahmadinejad's "Bloviations"

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PHILIP ELLIOTT | 06/28/09 06:57 PM | AP

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WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is open to discussions with Iran over its nuclear ambitions despite protests questioning the legitimacy of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's re-election, U.S. officials said Sunday.

Ahmadinejad has accused the West of stoking unrest, singling out Britain and the United States for allegations of meddling. Last week, Iran expelled two British diplomats, and Britain responded in kind. Iran, which detained nine British Embassy employees Saturday before releasing four, has said it's considering downgrading diplomatic ties with Britain.

The U.S. has not had diplomatic relations with Tehran since the aftermath of the Iranian revolution in 1979. On Saturday, Ahmadinejad said he would make the U.S. regret its criticism of the postelection crackdown and said the "mask has been removed" from Obama's efforts to improve relations.

Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, said Sunday that Ahmadinejad is falling back on his government's usual strategy of blaming the West and the United States in particular for its internal problems.

"This is a profound moment of change. And what Ahmadinejad says to try to change the subject is, frankly, not going to work in the current context, because the people understand that the United States has not been meddling in their internal affairs," she said.

The legitimacy of the government, while questioned by the people of Iran, is not the critical issue for the U.S. goal of preventing Iran from developing a nuclear capability, Rice said.

"It's in the United States' national interest to make sure that we have employed all elements at our disposal, including diplomacy, to prevent Iran from achieving that nuclear capacity," she said.

Both Rice and David Axelrod, Obama's top adviser, said Ahmadinejad doesn't appear to have the final say over Iran's foreign policy. Axelrod, dismissing Ahmadinejad's harsh language against the U.S. and Obama as "bloviations," said being open to talks with Iran is not an effort to reward the country.

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"We are looking to ... sit down and talk to the Iranians and offer them two paths. And one brings them back into the community of nations, and the other has some very stark consequences," Axelrod said.

White House officials pointed to Obama's remarks last week, urging engagement. "My expectation would be ... that you're going to continue to see some multilateral discussions with Iran," Obama said Friday.

Officials in Washington said they want Iranian officials at the negotiating table _ which, they say, was not destroyed during the postelection demonstrations in Iran.

"We are also mindful of the fact that the nuclear weapons in Iran and the nuclearization of that whole region is a threat to that country, all countries in the region, and the world. And we have to address that. We can't let that lie," Axelrod said.

The administration last week rescinded an offer for Iranian envoys to attend July Fourth parties at U.S. embassies, citing the continued crackdown against demonstrators.

Axelrod said Tehran faces a choice between engaging the West or facing further isolation in the wake of a presidential election that sent protesters to the streets and questions about its validity.

"Let's be clear that we didn't meddle in the election in Iran," he said. "The dispute in Iran is between the leadership in Iran and their own people, and plainly, Mr. Ahmadinejad thinks that by fingering the United States, that he can create a political diversion. So I'm not going to entertain his bloviations that are politically motivated."

Rice said the protests signal a profound moment of change in Iran and that the consequences of the protests have yet to unfold.

"Something extraordinary has happened of late in Iran, and the popular discontent, the incredible diversity of the coalition that has come together to demand change, from women to the elderly to youth, the very religious to the more secular, has been quite extraordinary," she said.

Rice appeared on CBS' "Face the Nation" and Axelrod on both ABC's "This Week" and NBC's "Meet the Press."

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is open to discussions with Iran over its nuclear ambitions despite protests questioning the legitimacy of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's re-election, U.S.
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is open to discussions with Iran over its nuclear ambitions despite protests questioning the legitimacy of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's re-election, U.S.
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- rad21 I'm a Fan of rad21 19 fans permalink

Finally some sane advice from someone in the administration to the US news outlets.

Let Iranians take care of their own problems. Now the government will have to prioritize its spending - on nuclear energy / weapons or on social necessities.

I think we should develop our own priorities in the USA - sacrifice and spend without borrowing from our children and grandchildren. May be the Iranians and the rest of the world will learn from and follow our leadership.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 PM on 06/28/2009
- Acidic I'm a Fan of Acidic 6 fans permalink

Que?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 AM on 06/29/2009
- MacQ I'm a Fan of MacQ 41 fans permalink

Yes, and calling them bloviators is a real positive shift in diplomacy away from that cowboy talk, I suppose.
NOW the givernment will have to prioritize... ? You talk like it's over. The Iranian people are likely to lose out here and be further oppressed, while their gov continues. Your head's in the sand if you think it's not important to the US and Europe what happens there. Kind of a dreamer aren't you?
If you don't like it, ignore it (that's what you libs did about the bloodbath that followed our departure from Viet Nam. Ignored it.) I'm beginning to understand the liberal point of view. It's sad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 AM on 06/29/2009
- edwarvir I'm a Fan of edwarvir 36 fans permalink

I am glad we have a cool, and thoughtful President.
President O, did not let mccain and graham bully
him into writing a check with his mouth that our behinds
can"t cash. Thank GOD for President O.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 06/28/2009
- RJII I'm a Fan of RJII 76 fans permalink
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AMEN!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 PM on 06/28/2009
- Balzac I'm a Fan of Balzac 117 fans permalink
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Axelrod's tone is a little bit too condescending.

"We are looking to ... sit down and talk to the Iranians and offer them two paths. And one brings them back into the community of nations, and the other has some very stark consequences," Axelrod said.

Well, the two paths are really not being offered by Axelrod or the United States, per se. The two paths are offered by the circumstances of society and history. Axelrod is probably trying to act out because his name is Axelrod and hipsters are starting to wear moustaches, so he's thinking he's the man.

Well, Mr. Axelrod, you are not the man now, dog. Your boss is the man now dog. And he is the President of the United States, not Iran. Who is the president of Iran?

That is not our choice, but the world has a pretty good idea what the will of the people of Iran is. Thank you Mr. Moussavi for representing and showing us the future of Iran.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 06/28/2009

First of all: Dog??

Second of all, I don't think Mr. Alexrod is haughty enough to think that the United States can dictate what the paths are for Iran to take, but he is certainly a canny political operative and can make political observations.

Who is president of Iran? Well, that's not clear. Certainly 100% of registered voters actually voting would be suspicious -- and MORE THAN 100% calls into question the entire election. I'm not saying that as an American; I'm saying that as an academic observer.

I can't help but wonder if Iran is about to turn into a true military junta dictatorship.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 06/28/2009
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dog? is that supposed to be an insult?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 06/28/2009
- mike63 I'm a Fan of mike63 13 fans permalink

I guess he didnt hear Obama's Cairo speech. Ha!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 06/28/2009

Please clarify.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 06/28/2009
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President Obama didn't meddle. McCain, Graham and crew were the ones sticking their big noses trying to bully President Obama into meddling. I shudder to think if McCain had won the election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 PM on 06/28/2009
- mike63 I'm a Fan of mike63 13 fans permalink

Results would be the same...beatings, arrests, shooting of protesters, injured dragged out of hospitals, and the clerics empowered. Imagining "what would have happened" if McCain was elected is like saying we have "saved millions" of jobs because of the "stimulus" bill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 06/28/2009
- marco01 I'm a Fan of marco01 199 fans permalink
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Maybe the immediate situation on the street would be the same, but the ultimate results would definitely be effected. Endorsement by an American president is the kiss of death in Iran and any party that is endorsed by America will lose support. But you probably already know all this. For some reason you don't seem to understand the critical difference between these two approaches. Reformist Iranians do, and they are, across the board, very grateful of O's wise handling of the situation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 06/28/2009
- HeIsTheOne I'm a Fan of HeIsTheOne 206 fans permalink
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shudder, he/// I'd be convulsing.

We are the Ones.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 06/28/2009
- MacQ I'm a Fan of MacQ 41 fans permalink

You really don't get it do you?
No one really meddled. Our senators don't count.
The Iranis would SAY that we did. That's for their own populace.
It's how all those dictators operate: they tell their people (who they're robbing blind and oppressing) that all their problems are because of America.
It wold not matter one whit who our president is, or what he said or didn't say. They would still make the accusation. Nothing to do with facts. Liberals in this country use the same tactic and should be fully familiar with it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 AM on 06/29/2009

Are you kidding me? McCain wants to go to war with Iran. It would've made a huge difference if he was in office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 06/29/2009

Senators *do* count. And they have been public crticizing the President for not being more overt, outspoken, and anything & everything to decry the suspicious election results.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 06/30/2009
- lungfish I'm a Fan of lungfish 106 fans permalink
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Sure, lets ignore Ahdmadinijads "bloviations". Lets ignore those of Israel and North Korea as well... If we relegate them all to the same basic level perhaps they will be embarassed by the comparisons. Of course, power corrupts absolutely and clearly Kim J Il and Ahdmadinijad and the mullahs have been absolutely corrupted...
These guys... you got to wonder how they get up in the morning knowing that the entire world and most of their own country see them as the criminals they are... but then again, the entire Cheney Administration walks around like they spent eight years giving us the best governemtne ever....
We could send a message to the despots of this world by punishing our own.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:18 PM on 06/28/2009
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"We could send a message to the despots of this world by punishing our own."

Riiiiight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 06/28/2009

I could get angry about this Iran thing too, except both my cousins were arrested down in Appalachia
while peacefully demonstrating against mountain top removal. The practice is harming so many people and previously beautiful places.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 06/28/2009

That's actually a very good point, and happened at both Dem and GOP conventions last year, too, and various other places in the news. It really bothers me that we as a nation are sitting back and letting that happen.

BTW -- you may want to write to HuffPo and change the spelling of your moniker -- not sure if you were going for "wired" or "weird"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 06/28/2009
- getoffmedz I'm a Fan of getoffmedz 110 fans permalink
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Why does MSM foist this silly little man's every out-gassing to the front?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 06/28/2009
- williamina I'm a Fan of williamina 7 fans permalink

weird

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 06/28/2009
- fodel I'm a Fan of fodel 11 fans permalink
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It's now firmly established and proven that this puppet and clown is just a gaseous mouthpiece for Iran's real leaders.. the religious cleric dictator and his "counsel" .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 06/28/2009
- elcojonu I'm a Fan of elcojonu 28 fans permalink

Same thing was being said about Bush.
It's epidemical.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 06/28/2009
- marco01 I'm a Fan of marco01 199 fans permalink
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He was Cheney's puppet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 06/28/2009
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Tinfoil must be on sale.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 06/28/2009

the USA does not have the moral high ground. Remember Abu Girab? Obama wont investigate, or even release photos. So Obama is playing by obvious double standards with the "whole world is watching" bull. There's no need to bring up the photos from viet nam of the naked girl running down teh street covered withnapalm. or kent state where police massacred college students protestors.

Iran is run by dictatorial theocracy, our country is run by gangsters. wall street execs stole how much from their companies and they arent being prosecuted? then the us tax payers give them a gift of how many billion? that shows who really runs this country. so does iran have a worse political process? maybe slightly more inept at putting up puppet figure heads as president. but it just reflects that they value authoritarian psuedo spirituality, and we value money. a pox on both houses...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 06/28/2009
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Way to demonstrate a complete lack of reading comprehension, good job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 06/28/2009
- GunneraGirl I'm a Fan of GunneraGirl 120 fans permalink
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thanks for saying that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 06/28/2009
- lianmolive I'm a Fan of lianmolive 10 fans permalink

hilarious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 06/28/2009
- DubyaGump I'm a Fan of DubyaGump 40 fans permalink
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Time to pack your bags then

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 06/28/2009
- mike63 I'm a Fan of mike63 13 fans permalink

The U.S. has spent over 200 years assending to the moral high ground, and to say it tumbles to the bottom because we beat up a few terroists is sophmoric.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 06/28/2009
- marco01 I'm a Fan of marco01 199 fans permalink
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Agreed, but we have some ground to regain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 06/28/2009

Nice straw man, mike63.
The notion of American moral authority is junk food for fake patriots. While America may have had a moral upper hand for many years, that hand has weakened over the last 60 years. American rhetoric regarding freedom and democracy does not jive with American foreign policy. Our government has been busy subverting democracy since the end of WWII, especially in places like the Middle East, South and Central America and the Caribbean. Obama won me over partly because he seemed to understand that the way for America to regain the moral upper hand is to change this. The way he is handling Iran gives me hope.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 AM on 06/29/2009
- MacQ I'm a Fan of MacQ 41 fans permalink

Glad to see some liberals are sticking to their principles (America is bad, and the people in other countries who are oppressed really like it that way).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 AM on 06/29/2009
- Tuckerndfw I'm a Fan of Tuckerndfw 102 fans permalink

No nuclear proliferation in the Middle East except Israel's?

Yeah, okay.

If the US is not involved in the "protests," someone needs to explain the purpose of the Iran Freedom Support Act.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 06/28/2009
- NCYvonne I'm a Fan of NCYvonne 45 fans permalink
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That Act passed three years ago. Either it took us three years to put together a protest or one thing has nothing to do with the other.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 PM on 06/28/2009
- Tuckerndfw I'm a Fan of Tuckerndfw 102 fans permalink

Surely you jest?

It takes awhile to plot the overthrow of a nation's government.

So, what is the purpose of the act if not to overthrow Iran's gov't?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 06/28/2009
- jubei I'm a Fan of jubei 11 fans permalink
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GOP Senator Mahmoud Ahmadinejad got caught in the mens washroom soliciting sexs from a male prostitute!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 06/28/2009
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While the DEM CIA-sponsored protesters continue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 06/28/2009
- Ajegunle I'm a Fan of Ajegunle 25 fans permalink

LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 06/28/2009
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It's so funny to hear Ahmadinejad accuse Obama of being just like Bush.

Ahmadinejad IS Bush.

Incompetent, ign0rant, and an embarrassment.

It's also funny to hear support for Ahmadinejad coming from the extreme left and right. The far left thinks this all a CIA plot (or at least seeks to milk political capital from the idea) and the far right wants Ahmadinejad in power because it suits their agenda to have a boogeyman like Ahmadinejad running around making threats against Western interests.

Who would have thought these mor0ns had so much in common?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 06/28/2009
- NCYvonne I'm a Fan of NCYvonne 45 fans permalink
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You nailed it. Check out the posts from Peace Is My Name as Exhibit A.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 06/28/2009
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I'm pretty far left and don't think it's a CIA plot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 06/28/2009
- NCYvonne I'm a Fan of NCYvonne 45 fans permalink
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There's the far left and there's the nutbag L00N left.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 06/28/2009
- MacQ I'm a Fan of MacQ 41 fans permalink

I'm pretty far right and certainly don't support Achmedinjad or anything about their current government, and don't know any other conservatives who do.
What I support is freedom for Iranians, and I hope they are able to win it away from these ruthless dictators.
Not sure where you get your informatio­n--certain­ly nothing to do with the facts. OH, that's right, you make them up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 06/29/2009
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They both stole elections, and were puppets for the REAL powers that run their countries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 06/28/2009
- DubyaGump I'm a Fan of DubyaGump 40 fans permalink
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They even look alike

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 06/28/2009
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What are the CIA/JSOC covert operations all about then? Picking tulips in the desert?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 06/28/2009
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Military operations, not political.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 06/28/2009
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A-Jad doesn't resemble Bush, he's more like Chavez. Both men cannot open their mouths without taunting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 06/28/2009
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When they were anit-W, they were noteworthy and warranted.

NOW, we are supposed to ignore the overgrown r-at.

What gives?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 06/28/2009
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