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Manuel Zelaya, Roberto Micheletti Duel For Honduras

First Posted: 07/30/09 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 02:30 PM ET

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(AP) TEGUCIGALPA, Honduras — Honduras' newly appointed leader vowed Monday to resist pressure from across the Americas to reinstate the president ousted in a military coup.

Leaders from Hugo Chavez to Barack Obama called for the reinstatement of Manuel Zelaya, who was arrested in his pajamas Sunday morning by soldiers who stormed his residence and flew him into exile.

Roberto Micheletti, appointed president by congress, insisted that Zelaya was legally removed by the courts and Congress for violating Honduras' constitution _ allegedly to extend his rule.

Zelaya's ouster was Central America's first coup in at least 16 years, a blow from the barracks that reminded many of the military dictatorships the region has tried to bury in its past.

Latin American leaders gathered in Nicaragua to draft a response, with all eyes on Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who said he would "overthrow" Micheletti.

Micheletti shrugged aside Chavez's threat, telling HRN radio on Monday: "Nobody scares us."

Micheletti acknowledged that he had not spoken to any Latin American heads of state, but said: "I'm sure that 80 to 90 percent of the Honduran population is happy with what happened."

The Obama administration denounced the coup and U.S. officials said they were working for Zelaya's return. European Union officials offered to mediate talks between the two sides.

The Organization of American States called for Zelaya's return and summoned a meeting of foreign ministers on Tuesday that could make Honduras the first nation suspended from the organization under a 2001 charter banning "the unconstitutional interruption of democratic order."

Chavez cast the dispute as an attempt by a wealthy elite to suppress the poor.

"If the oligarchies break the rules of the game as they have done, the people have the right to resistance and combat, and we are with them," Chavez said in the Nicaraguan capital, Managua.

Conservative Latin American governments also denounced the takeover. Mexico announced it was giving diplomatic protection to Zelaya's foreign minister, Patricia Rodas, who fled to Mexico City.

Zelaya was arrested and flown to Costa Rica hours before a rogue referendum he had called in defiance of Honduras' courts and Congress. His opponents claimed the vote was an attempt to remain in power after his term ends Jan. 27.

Micheletti said he would serve only until the end of Zelaya's term.

"We respect everybody and we ask only that they respect us and leave us in peace because the country is headed toward free and transparent general elections in November," Micheletti said.

His designated foreign minister, Enrique Ortez Colindres, told HRN that no coup had occurred. Ortez said the military had merely upheld the constitution "that the earlier government wanted to reform without any basis and in an illegal way."

Troops with riot shields surrounded the presidential palace and armored military vehicles were parked in front. But soldiers made no attempt to clear away about 200 pro-Zelaya protesters who were burning tires and other debris, as well as blocking streets with downed trees and billboards.

"We want our elected and democratic president, not this other one that the world doesn't recognize," said Marco Gallo, a 50-year-old retired teacher.

The Honduran constitution limits presidents to a single four-year term and forbids any modification of that limit. Zelaya's opponents feared the referendum was part of an attempt to try to run again, just as other Latin American leaders have removed constitutional clauses designed to prevent strongmen from extending their rule.

Two senior Obama administration officials told reporters that U.S. diplomats had warned in recent days against a coup, but that Honduran military leaders stopped taking their calls. They said the administration is now working to ensure Zelaya's safe return.

"I call on all political and social actors in Honduras to respect democratic norms, the rule of law and the tenets of the Inter-American Democratic Charter," Obama said in a statement.

For those conditions to be met, Zelaya must be returned to power, U.S. officials said.

The president of Latin America's largest nation, Brazil's Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, said on his weekly radio program that his country will not recognize any Honduran government that doesn't have Zelaya as president "because he was directly elected by the vote, complying with the rules of democracy."

He also said Honduras risks isolation from the rest of the hemisphere.

"We in Latin America can no longer accept someone trying to resolve his problem through the means of a coup," Silva said.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and the Rio Group, which comprises 23 nations from the hemisphere, also condemned the coup and called for Zelaya's return.

Zelaya said soldiers seized him in his pajamas at gunpoint in what he called a "kidnapping."

"I want to return to my country. I am president of Honduras," he said in Costa Rica before traveling to Managua on one of Chavez's planes for regional meetings of Central American leaders and Chavez's leftist alliance of nations, known as ALBA.

Coups were common in Central America until the 1980s, but Sunday's ouster was the first military power grab in Latin America since a brief, failed 2002 coup against Chavez.

It was the first military ouster of a Central American president since 1993, when Guatemalan military officials refused to accept President Jorge Serrano's attempt to seize absolute power and removed him.

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Associated Press writers Marianela Jimenez in San Jose, Costa Rica, and Calvin Woodward in Washington contributed to this report.

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04:58 PM on 06/30/2009
Well it looks like this coup is destined to fail. Sr. Micheletti will probably regret putting himself in front of this attempt to grab power.

Funny how the AP is reporting this, compared to the events in Iran, isn't it?

We are all waiting for that "strong Republican leadership" of John McCain et. al. to start campaigning forcefully to restore Zelaya to the Honduran government... but their hipocrisy is, once again, obvious.

This coup will not survive five minutes of strong opposition from the USA. The lack of popular support within Honduras for such action may be enough to defeat it anyway, but if the perennial leader in instigating Latin American coups chooses to oppose it, then that's it, it's finished.

Obama can end this coup in 24 hours if he chooses to do so. It seems that he would like it to end, but he has not lifted the crucial finger against it.
04:28 PM on 06/30/2009
Another lie perpetrated by the MSM (including very prominently the New York Times) is that Zelaya was seeking to modify the constitution to reelect himself indefinitely. Not so. Here's from Bloomberg:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aEQC4uPS0ZiA
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Ira7
08:52 AM on 06/30/2009
Part 3:

The Congress, abiding by the constitutional rules, unanimously appointed the president of the Congress as the acting President of the Republic until the elections are held in November and a new president is chosen.

So who violated the Constitution?

Now the OAS is meeting. There are fears that, once again, this collapsing organization, which counts among its members several governments of a totalitarian bent, will not enforce the Democratic Charter to defend respect for the Constitution in Honduras and the principles of a true democracy. It is more than likely that the OAS will, once again, succumb to the demagogic temptation to defend certain fledgling dictators disguised as democrats.

Will the OAS and others ever be capable of understanding that simply holding elections has never been and never will be a valid, sufficient argument for classifying a government as democratic?
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Ira7
08:52 AM on 06/30/2009
Part 2:

The Supreme Court reinstated General Vásquez Velásquez and the Congress voted unanimously to appoint a committee to analyze the situation and investigate President Zelaya for his refusal to respect the Constitution and the orders issued by other branches of government. But Zelaya carried on with his preparations and only performed a cosmetic change to this illegal referendum: on Saturday night, he verbally stated that the referendum would not be binding, but confirmed that it would go ahead as planned.

So who violated the Constitution?

Other branches of government, such as the Supreme Court, the Attorney General’s Office, and the Congress of the Republic, as well as all the political parties, including President Zelaya’s liberal party, rejected the referendum, as did the Church, businessmen, and civil society.

So who violated the Constitution?

Just a few hours before the opening of the polling stations for this illegal referendum, the Supreme Court of Justice ordered the president’s removal from office. The army carried out the order, took Zelaya out of the country and transported him to Costa Rica. The argument, valid or not, was to avoid a bloodbath in the face of the threat of other governments interfering in Honduras’s internal affairs, among them Venezuela and Nicaragua.

So who violated the Constitution?
04:48 PM on 06/30/2009
"But Zelaya carried on with his preparations and only performed a cosmetic change to this illegal referendum: on Saturday night, he verbally stated that the referendum would not be binding, but confirmed that it would go ahead as planned."

The change you label as "cosmetic" is, of course, inconvenient for your line of argument. Hence your choice of such a loaded adjective.

There is more of such techniques in your long post. I wonder precisely how or why you came to write it, but it smacks of intellectual dishonesty, of which the excerpt that I quoted is perhaps the most naked example.
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08:51 AM on 06/30/2009
Part 1:

As an Obama supporter, I'm appalled at our offical reaction. I expected this type of reaction from OTHERS, but not the U.S. It doesn't jive with the facts:

In Honduras, the Constitution orders that election laws may not be amended or submitted to referendum less than six months before elections to public office. In Honduras, general elections are slated for November 29.

Despite this constitutional REQUIREMENT, Zelaya, thought that he wasn't bound to comply with this rule and called a referendum to decide whether, at the November general elections, a constituent assembly would also be called that would permit him to run for reelection.

So who violated the Constitution?

This referendum, scheduled for June 28, only five months away from the general elections, unleashed an institutional crisis in Honduras after a court of the Republic determined that the referendum proposed by Zelaya was illegal. As a democratic president, Zelaya should have abided by the court’s decision or at least have appealed to a higher court. But he did neither.

Zelaya, perhaps believing--like other Latin American caudillos--that as president he was above the Judiciary, disregarded the court’s order and went ahead with organizing the referendum. So, he ordered the chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces, Romeo Vásquez Velásquez, to transfer and safeguard the electoral materials that the Venezuelan Government had prepared and donated. General Vásquez Velásquez refused to follow this illegal order, and, as a consequence, was dismissed.

So who violated the Constitution?
01:51 AM on 06/30/2009
Part I

In previous posts I have argued that Mel Zelaya's ouster should only be described as a 'quasi' golpe de estado given that all political institutions (including Zelaya's own party and some members of his cabinet) had declared Mel's 'support-gauging' referendum either imprudent or illegal (ostensibly supporting his destitution). I have also shown that Zelaya maintained an abysmal level of support for both his policies and Fourth Ballot advocacy (public opinion surveys regularly show Mel's job rating around 30% or under).

However, an important question that is constantly asked in response to my posts is as follows: if Zelaya and his 'public opinion' measure were so discredited, why not let the vote proceed and expose this unpopularity (particularly considering that it was non-binding)?

The answer is rather complex, but here is a summary:

The act itself is prima facie illegitimate; allowing a vote to take place that was declared illegal by the Supreme Court and the Electoral Tribunal is a threat to the separation of powers and the concept of constitutional democracy. So incontrovertible was this vote's illegality that Zelaya couldn't even get the ballots printed domestically as no Honduran company was willing to violate the law (Chavez gladly played the role of the pied piper of paper). This vote was widely seen as the first step (with benign subterfuge) in the classic playbook of manip.ulating the constitution to extend political power (either directly or thru proxy).

...continued below
01:50 AM on 06/30/2009
Part II

According to Title VII of the Honduras Constitution, amendments may only occur after a two-thirds vote by the Congress in two consecutive regular annual sessions. Zelaya was laying the foundations to circumvent this provision, a hallmark indicator of a political power grab. Moreover, the 'public opinion' aspect of the vote was actually a mutation; Zelaya initially proposed a legally-binding consultation that asked the same exact question (similarly struck down by the Supreme Court). Mel's second version was a circumvention of the law.

Furthermore, any poll results would be dubious. The ballots and voting stations were controlled by Zelaya's political supporters. Parties, the Civil Democratic Union, and independent figures had also called for a boycott. Frankly, if the vote had taken place, I believe the results would have given the 'fourth ballot box' inclusion for November's election a majority with a fabricated turnout number. The vote would have been t r a s h in terms of representing national opinion, but Zelaya would have proceeded to use it to push an anti-democratic agenda. He would also be encouraged to commit another illegal act vis-à-vis ballots.

Thus the dilemma: go to the polls, you legitimize an illegal act and an ab.use of presidential power. Boycott the polls, and Mel's supporters flood the stations; subsequently producing a pr0paganda victory that would catalyze further unrest.

This is probably why the Supreme Court, the Congress, and the Armed Forces acted when they did.
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ruhaba
08:43 AM on 06/30/2009
Yes we all saw how Iranian got killed in the street and Obama says i do not want to meddle!
These politician pick and chose where to meddle. HOPE4 FREEDOM in Iran
01:22 AM on 06/30/2009
Obama sides with Castro, Chavez. Last week was silent about the uprising in Iran. Says he doesn't want to "meddle", but then tries to dictate to Israel. What a joke. Worst president ever.
01:32 AM on 06/30/2009
Todate Obama has a long way to go to match Bush sheer incompetency. However, Obama does seem rather clueless about foreign affairs. Which was expected of a political novice.
It is finally dawning on Obama world affairs are lot more complicated than seemed from a campaign trail.
Let's reserve judgment for now. Maybe Obama can learn, Whereas Bush never got a clue.
08:10 AM on 06/30/2009
higgins1990....Bingo
11:06 PM on 06/29/2009
Coup is never legal.....even if you can't vote a new guy in because the current guy is a 2 bit dictator thug.................?

So how do people change their gov't if their votes are worthless or they can't even vote? Wave a wand and wish it to be true......?
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Weirdwriter
11:49 PM on 06/29/2009
Please read up on the Honduran constitution. Or at least the story above.
01:16 AM on 06/30/2009
A piece of paper doesn't mean crap unless you enforce it.........Venezuela had a constitution look what Chavez did with it.....
01:17 AM on 06/30/2009
In general though that is what i'm saying, what do the people do? They'd have no recourse except to take up arms......they wouldn't be able to win their freedom by being passive......
10:09 PM on 06/29/2009
No COUP d'ETAT is ever legal. Ever.
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Weirdwriter
10:33 PM on 06/29/2009
Quite true. By any modern country's judicial definition, it is not a legal way to replace a government leader.

President Obama merely stated the obvious. If the majority of the Honduran people truly want their elected leader replaced they already had the legal means to do it.

Let the Honduran people work it out among themselves.
10:48 PM on 06/29/2009
Ya, getting rid of a leader who trampled all over the constitution, and wanted to stay in power forever like Chavez is legal. You think the Venezuelans will get the chance to vote Chavez out if they wanted to? No, only way they could do that is by force, c'mon these guys rule by force, not by the rule of law.....
10:01 PM on 06/29/2009
Well O did say it was time to refocus on Lat in Ame rica. The de a th squ ads will soon be back in business.

"Key leaders of Hon duras mili tary co up trained in U*S."
http://www.southernstudies.org/2009/06/key-leaders-of-honduras-military-coup-trained-in-us.html
08:56 PM on 06/29/2009
Obama: "I call on all political and social actors in Honduras to respect democratic norms, the rule of law and the tenets of the Inter-American Democratic Charter."

Good for you, President Obama...but please, given the USA's history of oppression in Latin America, please keep US troops out of it.

Chavez: ""If the oligarchies break the rules of the game as they have done, the people have the right to resistance and combat, and we are with them..."

Good for you, President Chavez...anything you can do to help the people of Honduras escape the oppression of rightwing military dictatorship, please do it.

Lula da Silva, said on his weekly radio program that his country will not recognize any Honduran government that doesn't have Zelaya as president "because he was directly elected by the vote, complying with the rules of democracy." He also said Honduras risks isolation from the rest of the hemisphere. "We in Latin America can no longer accept someone trying to resolve his problem through the means of a coup," Silva said.

Well, President Lula, I hope you'll join with President Chavez in returning the people to power in Honduras.

And so it goes...
09:19 PM on 06/29/2009
The rest of Central America is suspending trade with Honduras for 48 hours. The Organization of American States (OAS) has agreed to engage in incremental sanctions. All ambassadors will be removed from Honduras.

The Central American Bank of Integration will immediately stop all lending, negotiations and disbursements until Zelaya is restored.

The Rio Group is also meeting as we speak.

So the goons don't have so easy this time.
09:24 PM on 06/29/2009
The goons?? Its the same political party as Mel.... you realize this right??

Honduras just needs to get through until November when normal elections resume.
05:07 PM on 06/30/2009
Indeed! The minor miracle of Chavez is that he survived a military coup attempt (those silly Bush-Aznar plotters forgot that Chavez had excellent support within the military). When people in Venezuela back then ignored the TV telling them that nothing was happening and came out on the streets to demand the collapse of the coup, it collapsed.

So it may well be this time in Honduras. Swift international condemnation is the first step.
08:51 PM on 06/29/2009
Here we go again! Enough of rightwing, military dictatorships already. Hugo, Barrack, and all of the world's democrats need to condemn this military coup in the strongest possible terms. Hugo Chavez says, "If the oligarchies break the rules of the game as they have done, the people have the right to resistance and combat, and we are with them.." Good for Hugo Chavez...hero to all Americans. Barrack Obama says,
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Weirdwriter
10:22 PM on 06/29/2009
Mr. Chavez' credentials as an advocate of democracy are questionable, to say the least.

And if you're going to use President Obama's words as praise for Mr. Chavez, please post them accurately and in context.
10:49 PM on 06/29/2009
Questionable? I'd say ludicrous, outrageous, downright BS would be more appropriate for a 2 bit dictator thug like Chavez.....
05:02 PM on 06/30/2009
"Mr. Chavez' credentials as an advocate of democracy are questionable, to say the least." No, not really. Chavez has accepted several electoral results that went against him.

I wonder whether you paid any attention to the lack of democracy in Venezuela since long before Chavez ever came on the scene. I doubt it.

So if you are going to use the words "democracy" and "advocate", please post them accurately and in context.
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EspritDeVoltaire
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08:37 PM on 06/29/2009
"Nobody scares us." - Two words, El Salvador
08:48 PM on 06/29/2009
how so.. explain
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EspritDeVoltaire
K Street PR firm board member
08:53 PM on 06/29/2009
Sorry, I was actually thinking of Nicaragua. Not that I condone it, but the US changes regimes in South America like actresses change hair styles.
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ObamAtomic
08:05 PM on 06/29/2009
Obama must show restrain to interfering /n internal matters of the other country,
like Iran ,he exercised restraint,we can not be policing the world anymore,
we are not a nation of bullies.