Plan Calls For Midwest High Speed Rail Running At 220 MPH

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First Posted: 06-30-09 06:29 PM   |   Updated: 07-31-09 05:12 AM

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CHICAGO (AP) -- When it comes to trains, there's fast and then there's really, really fast.

Advocates on Tuesday unveiled an $11.5 billion plan for a Chicago-St. Louis high-speed line that could cut travel times to two hours from the current five. If built, it would be among the fastest U.S. lines and would rival high-tech systems already in place in Europe and Asia.

Under the proposal, electric-powered trains would zoom the nearly 300 miles between Chicago and St. Louis at up to 220 mph - more than 100 mph faster than diesel-powered trains under a comparatively modest plan already advocated by eight Midwestern governors.

The newer plan is generating excitement among rail enthusiasts, some of whom pooh-pooh the gubernatorial proposal - which envisions trains that reach top speeds of 110 mph - as too conservative.

Tuesday's proposal - the focus of a study released by the non-profit Midwest High Speed Rail Association - would require upgrading tracks and bridges as well as electrifying the line. The estimated price tag doesn't include costs of new trains or maintenance.

With backing from Illinois officials, the ambitious project could be done in time for the 2016 Summer Olympics, which Chicago is bidding to host, said Rick Harnish, the association's executive director. A deadline seven years away, he said, is ambitious but doable.

"You sometimes need an audacious goal," he said. "We also need to catch up to the rest of the world."

The proposal for a 220-mph service is intended to complement, not replace, the governors' plan, Harnish said. The 110 mph trains would serve more communities and make more stops en route, something Harnish and his Chicago-based group supports.

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Pluses of the newly proposed electric-train line would include helping to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, Harnish said.

Backers want Illinois to apply for $10 million in federal stimulus funds for further analysis they hope could lead to a detailed plan. Harnish conceded money to foot the total bill of the project may have to come from new taxes or fees.

"But I think the public will accept a new funding stream if it includes paying for new ways of travel," he said.

Skeptics question whether any benefits would justify the cost.

"This is a classic case of a nice idea - but one where the government will end up misallocating dollars," said John Tillman, head of the conservative Illinois Policy Institute. "This would be subsidized travel when there are already ways to get to and from St. Louis and Chicago."

The $11.5 billion would be better spent, he said, on buying 1 million fuel-efficient cars. He also questioned whether electric trains would be more environmentally friendly given that they would likely rely on energy generated by coal-burning plants.

The estimated $10 billion proposal backed by the Midwest governors would join 12 metropolitan areas, including Chicago and St. Louis, in a network with Chicago as its hub. Upgrading existing tracks would enable trains to travel up to 110 mph, according to the plan.

Currently, the top speed of trains running between Chicago and St. Louis, Bloomington and Springfield is just under 80 mph.

The Midwest governors' plan and a California proposal are front runners in the race for $8 billion in federal stimulus cash set aside for high-speed rail. California wants to build 800 miles of high-speed track connecting the San Francisco-San Jose area with Los Angeles and Anaheim.

The only rail service that currently qualifies as high-speed - that is, where trains travel at more than 90 mph - is Amtrak's Acela Express connecting Boston to Washington, D.C.

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CHICAGO (AP) -- When it comes to trains, there's fast and then there's really, really fast. Advocates on Tuesday unveiled an $11.5 billion plan for a Chicago-St. Louis high-speed line that could cut ...
CHICAGO (AP) -- When it comes to trains, there's fast and then there's really, really fast. Advocates on Tuesday unveiled an $11.5 billion plan for a Chicago-St. Louis high-speed line that could cut ...
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A better investment would be...Chicago , Madison, Milwaukee,and Minneapolis high speed rail

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 PM on 07/02/2009
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Gee, then all they'll need is to find Chicagoans who actually want to go to St. Louis.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 07/02/2009

cubs fans.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 PM on 07/02/2009

well, its a start....new TGV line in France, decided yesterday
bettewn Marseilles and Nice
you can go everywhere in high speed train in france,
lets hope, unlike a few years back under Clinton,
when a "Texas Triangle high speed train" was discussed.
Airlines companies fought and destroyed the idea in a hurry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 07/01/2009

Just what this faltering economy needs. Another multibillion dollar 'investment' which will need more money for rolling stock and operations forever.

The proposal is to spend 11.5 billion dollars we do not have to transport a small number of people between Chicago and St. Louis wit a couple intermediate stops along the way. There is no existing market analysis to show how the operational costs alone would be covered by the passenger fares.

Can you imagine the number of grade level crossings that would have to be eliminated or changed to over/underpasses?

itakethetrain also has to understand that high speed rail cannot share tracks with any other service. you will need to acquire a strip of land at least 100 feet wide all along the existing rail system.

Beware of the snake oil salesmen who surface in times of need to peddle some poorly thought out, but seemingly attractive proposal in times of stress. They will take your money and be long gone by the time you realized that you have been duped.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 07/01/2009
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Well, maybe with this "investment" we can stop spending so much money on oil. Maybe people will get out of their cars. Highways need to be maintained, or didn't you know that?

If built, people will use it. Ridership has increased on the routes to both St. Louis and Milwaukee.

No, tracks can't be shared. It couldn't really be called "high speed rail" it it always had to wait for freight.

Poorly thought out? People have been planning for high speed rail for years. It's not like were talking about sending people to Mars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 AM on 07/03/2009
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Pathetic:

"The only rail service that currently qualifies as high-speed - that is, where trains travel at more than 90 mph - is Amtrak's Acela Express connecting Boston to Washington, D.C."

I don't know what is worse, only having one line that is considered high speed, or that the bar is set so low to qualify as high speed. Well, I guess that the bar is set so low, and even with that only one line could qualify is the truly sad part.

I have to say I am glad this proposal is going bold and shooting for over 200 mph speeds. Now if it will just catch on like a virus!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 AM on 07/01/2009
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Puzzled -- the rail plans rely on existing right-of-way and upgrades to existing service. There is still rail to St. Louis, you know. We haven't destroyed all of our nation's railroads yet. There would be little need for eminent domain -- I'd bet vastly less than would be needed to widen the highways to St. Louis.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 06/30/2009

Good luck on condemning the farmland in downstate Illinois needed for the right-of-way, under eminent domain. They'll tie it up in court for years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 PM on 06/30/2009
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