Roberto Micheletti Blames Chavez For Honduras Crisis

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WILL WEISSERT and BERT WILKINSON | July 2, 2009 10:46 PM EST | AP

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Supporters of ousted President Manuel Zelaya hold hands as they stand in front of a line of soldiers guarding the entrance to a park during a protest through downtown Tegucigalpa,Thursday, July 2, 2009.(AP Photo/Esteban Felix)

TEGUCIGALPA, Honduras — A top diplomat said Thursday he is heading to Honduras to demand the return of the president toppled at gunpoint _ a mission he said is likely to meet rejection, bringing diplomatic and economic punishment for the impoverished Central American nation.

The head of the Organization of American States, Jose Miguel Insulza, said he plans to travel to Honduras on Friday to insist on the restoration of President Manuel Zelaya, who was ousted in a coup Sunday.

"I will do everything I can. But I think it will be very hard to turn things around in a couple of days," Insulza said at a summit of Caribbean leaders in Georgetown, Guyana. "We are not going to Honduras to negotiate. We are going to Honduras to ask them to change what they have been doing."

The interim government of Roberto Micheletti has so far shown little willingness to do so, arguing that the army acted legally _ on orders of Congress and the Supreme Court _ when it raided Zelaya's house amid the rattle of gunfire and deported him, still in his nightshirt.

Giving a first hint of flexibility, Micheletti said Thursday in response to a reporter's question that he would be open to moving up presidential elections from their scheduled date of Nov. 29 if it would ease the crisis. However, he did not mention any date and neither Zelaya nor any international body has formally proposed that.

Micheletti also said he feared violence if Zelaya returned to Honduras, as he has promised to do this weekend.

"For the peace of the country I would prefer that he did not come, because I do not want one drop of blood shed by any Honduran," the interim leader said.

The OAS says it will suspend Honduras if Zelaya isn't back in office by Saturday, bringing sanctions that could block international aid to one of the poorest nations in the hemisphere.

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Nations around the world have promised to shun Micheletti, who was sworn in after the Sunday coup, and the nation already is suffering economic reprisals.

Neighboring countries have imposed trade blockades, major lenders have cut aid, the Obama administration has halted joint military operations and all European Union ambassadors have abandoned the Honduran capital.

That has left few channels for negotiating a solution.

Communication has been so limited that an influential pro-Micheletti congresswoman, Marcia Villeda de Facusse, said she learned of the OEA mission on Thursday from news reports.

"Nobody here knows anything," she said. "We don't have any idea if that commission is coming or who will be in it."

She said the new foreign minister, Enrique Ortez, had been placed in charge of meeting with visiting OAS officials once they arrive, and that he would use "abundant proof to try and show that Zelaya violated our laws and that his government damaged everyone in the country."

Insulza said he would not meet with members of Micheletti's government to avoid legitimizing it. But he will meet with leaders of the Supreme Court and Congress _ institutions that approved the coup _ "basically to clarify exactly what our position is."

It was unclear if Insulza would meet with U.S. Ambassador Hugo Llorens during the visit.

Micheletti said Insulza would be welcome in Honduras, and "If he wants to talk with me, I'll receive him gladly."

Zelaya's defense minister, Aristides Mejia, suggested a possible "peaceful arrangement" to the dispute in an interview broadcast Thursday by HRN radio.

He said Zelaya has sworn off any idea of re-election and is willing to drop plans to rewrite the constitution that led to his ouster. Zelaya had ignored a Supreme Court order to halt the constitutional revamp, which many Hondurans believed was meant to let him stay in power.

Zelaya said Thursday that Argentine President Cristina Fernandez, Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa and Guatemalan Nobel Peace Prize laureate Rigoberta Menchu have been invited to join him when he returns to Honduras this weekend. That sets up a potentially explosive conflict with local officials who have vowed to have him arrested on charges ranging from corruption to treason.

Zelaya, at a news conference in Panama City on Thursday, said he will spend the next two days traveling in Central America. He arrived in El Salvador late Thursday, where he will hold a private meeting with President Mauricio Funes.

"I have no fear of returning," Zelaya said. "I have never been afraid, and I have acted on my principles, for which I am prepared to die."

Zelaya's wife, Xiomara Castro, and his youngest son, a teenager, are staying at the residence of the U.S. ambassador in Tegucigalpa.

In Honduras, Zelaya's supporters staged their largest demonstration since the coup, as more than 6,000 people marched from a park in front of a military base to a U.N. office to chants of: "Mel our friend, the people are with you!" Police briefly used tear gas, but there were no reports of injuries or arrests.

An equal number of Micheletti backers marched in San Pedro Sula, the country's second largest city.

Police scuffled with Zelaya supporters in that northern city, leaving about a dozen with minor injuries. Police Chief Leonel Sauceda told AP that 78 people were arrested for vandalism, all of them Zelaya supporters. He said a Salvadoran photographer was briefly detained.

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Wilkinson reported from Georgetown, Guyana. Associated Press writers Marcos Aleman and Freddy Cuevas in Tegucigalpa and Juan Zamorano in Panama City contributed to this report.

TEGUCIGALPA, Honduras — A top diplomat said Thursday he is heading to Honduras to demand the return of the president toppled at gunpoint _ a mission he said is likely to meet rejection, bringing...
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Obama continues to ignore that the Honduran government did the only thing they could when dealing with an autocrat attempting to violate the rules of his own democratic government in order to seize total power. OUr position should be to support the current Honduran government. If you really want an evaluation of who should be in charge, just look at the supporters of the ousted communist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 PM on 07/03/2009
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Yes, I agree with you. I'm not quick to call him a communist but that guy..Zalaya sounds like an ignorant hack and should not return to power. 70% of the honduran ppl dont want him back..why can't our gov look at that position.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 07/06/2009
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Honduras' constituti­on,supreme court,congress' vote and his own party ruled that Zelaya was overstepping his power....and democracy was followed to the rule of their constitution.
Unless someone can persuade me otherwise I agree with the overthrow of this president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 07/03/2009
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Friday the 3rd of July 17:20 Eastern Time. I was watching Univision news here in the Orlando area. They show demonstrations pro and con in Honduras. They also show soldiers in front of television station channel 34 which was shut down following the Coup. So much for Democracy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 07/03/2009

And now in the long line of examples of just how democratic the new "power" is, here is this new revalation.

HONDURAN TROOPS FIRE ON CROWED BUS
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/07/03/honduras.video/index.html

All of you supporters of the cuop.... WHAT DO YOU RESPOND!?!?! Is this "the rule of law"? Do we allow this

SPEAK!

I want history to record your words!

God save you who so carelessly, haphazardly, and with a fickle sense of fashionable popular trends simple parrot the lies of tyrants.

SPEAK!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 07/03/2009
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OK Let me speak,

How about this Hugo Chavez closes 285 radio and Tv stations in Venezuela.

Article in Spanish
http://mx.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/090703/latinoamerica/ams_gen_venezuela_medios

How about the mayor in Venezuela writing a letter of complaint to the OEA regarding abuses from Chavez against his office a month after chavez took control of all the airports and ports in the main cities.

http://mx.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/090703/latinoamerica/ams_gen_venezuela_alcalde

I guess now that Izulsa is here he can look into this too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 AM on 07/04/2009
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This is a travesty! Zelaya blatently violated the constitution and the Supreme Court, Congress, Attorney General, Secretary of Defense, and heads of all the military concur. They acting in accordance with the rule of law.

Here is some info (viewer warning: from a RW site...) but it is important to understand what the RW see things... (If there is a comparable timeline from a progressive or liberal site, please post...)

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/07/honduras-timeline-democracy-at-work.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 07/03/2009
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Hi Guinganbresil,

I agree with you to the extent that it is important to understand how the right wing sees things. And you can't get more right wing than citing atlasshrugs, I suppose.

So I went to check it out. Your link led to a infamous blog, where the right wing blogger thinks that anonymous opinions she publishes without substantiation is somehow helpful to the debate. The anonymous opinion that she quotes goes on and on and on trying to convince the world that a coup is not a coup, that the Honduran constitution required the military to depose the president, and other such rot.

To check the accuracy of the opinion, I pulled one of the accusations made at random, and checked it out. The anonymous opinion stated the President "Mel gave away the fishing rights to an area that Honduras has been fishing for decades if not a hundred years. He gave those rights to Nicaragua for nothing – or at least nothing that was ever publicly reported. Mel forgot to mention this transaction to anyone in the country, let alone the fisherman. "

In fact, the International Court of Justice ruled in the dispute, and Honduras and Nicaragua respect the decision http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/120/14053.pdf?PHPSESSID=33adaed87b43570b52b28130a45d14d7

It is important, I agree, that the Right Wing thinks that such accusations sway opinion of some people, and to work to debunk it, tirelessly, time and time and time again...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 07/03/2009
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I'm sure that the Congress and the Supreme Court can find a reason legally as to why they close Channel 34.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 07/03/2009
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Honduras has a constitution imposed from a time of military rule by persons elected to write a constitution under military rule. It is the sixteenth constitution in Honduras history.

There are certain provisions in the constitution that were inserted that proport themselves to be immutable and eternal, that are in fact inimical to democracy, which are not term limits, but place the military as independent.

The current president of the country proposed to hold a referendum to authorize a new constituent assembly to rewrite the constitution yet again, including the immutable parts. He was overruled by the court, saying that he could hold such a referendum at another time, but not at this time. So instead, he held a plebiscite asking if voters would like to have such a referendum when the Supreme Court allowed it.

The plebiscite was not illegal, since it was not a referendum. But before the votes could be counted, the immutable and eternal independent military ousted him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 07/02/2009

"The plebiscite was not illegal, since it was not a referendum".


There seemed to be a disagreement on this point that was resolved by the Supreme Court. Is it OK to ignore the ruling of the Supreme Court when you disagree with them?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 AM on 07/04/2009
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If the Supreme Court of Canada ruled democracy to be illegal, yes, I would ignore it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 AM on 07/05/2009

When all else fails, blame Chavez. If Chavez didn't exist the neocons would have to invent him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 07/02/2009

back in my university days the students wanted a bonfire ----they gathered all the used christmas trees and made a huge pile in a vacant area. all the students gathered for drinks and hoopla. -----so did the police and fire department..who sat on the outskirts waiting for something to happen.

a student leaders doused the trees with propellant and set it alight.

quietly, quickly and professionally the fire department swung into action and totally soaked the trees and put out the fire. the police told the students the party was over there would be no bonfire tonight. such a fire was illegal .then they left.

the same should have happened in honduras --the ballot boxes should have been sent out and votes cast. at that point the "fire department" should have moved in and taken the ballot boxes.
the police could have declared" the party over" and the supreme court could have been given custody of the boxes and declared the vote illegal.

military involvement and replacement of the president stinks of an ulterior motive ---not just 'FIRE SUPRESSION"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 07/02/2009
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I don't think so. The President was very unpopular and had only few months left in his term. It wasn't the military's idea to oust him but rather an order from their Supreme Court and Legislature,

There may have been a better way to handle this situation, but the authority's there handled it by the book and everything else is Monday morning quarterbacking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 07/03/2009

the corporatists are going for a double play

take over the left leaning government in one country and BLAME the leader of a second left leaning country for the problem.

"never waste a good crisis". ---the iranian conflict was good cover.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 07/02/2009
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"Generals Who Led Honduras Military Coup Trained at the School of the Americas"

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/7/1/generals_who_led_honduras_military_coup

Democracy Now is the best radio news in the United States. Far better than corporately paid off NPR. Here's the real story, and if you listen to it you will find there's a bill in Congress to close the School of the Americas.

H.R. 2567: Latin America Military Training Review Act
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-2567

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 07/02/2009
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The man broke the law of his country, plain and simple. He tried to hold a constitutional referendum in an illegal way, got told by his own supreme court no you can't, then did it anyway.

you may like his policies, but he doesn't get to break his own laws to do it.

And as an American I'm personally ashamed of Obama. Here we're backing someone who obviously broke the law, calling what happened to him a Coup, but Iran it's silence silence silence.

Shameful, only way to describe our actions in this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 07/02/2009
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He didn't break the law, he was following the legal process to change the law. You consider a military lead coup following the law?

The US can not be trusted in Iran, or any other country in the Middle East. Our record is despicable in that realm as well

http://mrxfromplanetx.com/secret-government (1987 Bill Moyers PBS documentary on which covers 1953 coup and Iran Contra Scandal)

http://mrxfromplanetx.com/history-of-oil-robert-newman (British stand up comedy and history lesson on war for oil)
http://mrxfromplanetx.com/breaking-the-silence-by-john-pilger (History of US intervention in Afghanistan)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 07/02/2009
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He wasn't following any legal process at all.

The constitution of hsi country states that any constitutional referendum be approved by the congress. They didn't they voted overwhelmingly against. He wanted to do it anyway so he went to his supreme court. The court said no what you're doing is Illegal, but he did it anyway.

And it's not a Coup. the government was not overthrow, the leader was replaced. learn to definitions. They are goign on the same constitution they always were.

Iran is blatantly ignoring it's laws, the difference is obvious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 07/02/2009
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When an umpire calls a strike it's a strike. Ya know why?
Because the umpire called it and there is no arguing balls and strikes.

The Supreme Court said he committed an illegal act.
There is no appeal from the Supreme Court.
I don't know of any US President that can ignore a Supreme court Ruling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 AM on 07/03/2009
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It used to be communism in the past; now the excuse is Chavez. Anything but the bloody truth that these are despots who want to keep the indigenous people down and retain their colonialist hegemony.

One percent of the Honduran people - the descendants of the colonialists and their half-breed ofspring (usually women) own 61% of the land; and the best land at that. All of the natural resources and that's what they want to retain.

Professor Dr. Stanley Collymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 07/02/2009
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Venezuela has free public healthcare, even for touristas

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 07/02/2009
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The US chose what form of government it wants; the same applies to Britain, Sweden; Norway and France. Germany and Japan’s constitution were imposed by the victorious powers but the people there appear happy with what they have.

Granted that many Commonwealth countries have adopted with some modifications the Westminster model. But after the sleaze scandal and thanks to our Freedom of Information Act, can Britain really say to Iran you should be like us.

Dubya and Cheney abrogated the US constitution; Bill of Rights; Habeas Corpus and Magna Charta; indulged in illegal wire tapping; kidnapping and torture. with e past and ongoing US history in Latin America: Operation Condor; Iran: overthrowing the democratically elected government in 1953 imposing a despotic Shah on Iranians for nationalising its own oil fields, the same kind of nationalisation Britain had embarked on at home in a variety of areas; the Gulf of Tonkin episode and much more, what right has the US to meddle in anyone's affairs?

It’s 21 years to day (3 July 1988) that a US warship operating illegally in Iranian waters shot down an Iranian civilian airline killing all 290 people on board. No apology, no compensation, but a medal and promotion for the captain. VP. Bush Snr when told the real facts said: “I don’t (expletive) want to know the facts. We won’t apologise.

Frankly I prefer to live in “socialist” Europe. And yes I do think that Venezuela is on the right tracks.

Professor Dr. Stanley Collymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 07/03/2009
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Good for Hugo. The only leader in LA whose had the courage to attempt to break the historical paradigm which has brought nothing but misery. Of course, he's the right wing and economic elite's boogey man.

As if things were going rosy and LA was a bastion of equality until Chavez came in and ruined paradise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 07/02/2009
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Hugo and his socialist policies are a joke, every liberal knows that as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 07/02/2009
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not to the people of venezuela.

Venezuela has free healthcare for everyone, even touristas

Took control of the oil companies and uses the money to better his people

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 07/02/2009
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I'm a liberal and you certainly are making me laugh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 07/02/2009
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So what would you have? More of the odious dictatorships of the past that favoured the descendants of the colonialists to the gross disadvantage of the indigenous peoples?

And anyway, it's not your country. So how would you like for us "socialists" or "liberals" as you like to call us, totally ignorant of the meanings of both words, in Europe to be telling you how to run the United States?

You're really full of it and yourselves as well. Can't you see that there are people in this world who don't think that money is everything and that taking care of each other: providing decent education, health care, affordable homes; jobs etc and generally making society a worthwhile place to live in is far superior to your dog eat dog mindset.

But what amazes me is that as soon as your "capitalist" system takes a tumble you want to be bailed out. In short: capitalist profits; socialist bailouts. Not the argument of someone who has a grasp of anything sensible or worth listening to.

Professor Dr. Stanley Collymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 AM on 07/04/2009

As if things were going rosy and LA was a bastion of equality until Chavez came in and ruined paradise.
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My brother's father in law is salvadorian and a staunch republican. Whenever we sit down to talk latin american politics, especially now that El Salvador has gone left as well, he brings up the same boogeymen as the coup defenders here. It's always Chavez, Noriega and Castro are evil and they're going to ruin latin america. Nevermind the juntas and the american sponsored dictators who have been in power for the last fifty years. Nevermind the level of disparity between the poor and the rich all over the region. They don't care about that. They just don't like socialism because they still believe all the propaganda from the cold war. This line of yours is the best argument to use against these nimwits. They have ignored poor people and watched them starve to death. If there's anyone or anything to blame for these countries going left is the antipathy these oligarchs have had for the poor in their countries.

Viva La Revolucion carajo!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 07/02/2009
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Patria O Muerte, Venceremos.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 07/02/2009
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Ok, for those who just don't get it. There was an election if Iran! The honduran president was taken out of his house in pajama's! Obama is on the side of an elected official and democracy. I don't remember Honduras having an election! WOW the level of total cluelessness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 07/02/2009
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Zeyala was arrested for breaking the law, and congress voted to accept his resignation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 07/02/2009

Zelaya was not arrested. He was illegally removed from his home by the military because the Honduran oligarchy didn't like his progressive policies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 07/02/2009

You mean, the Honduran congress voted to accept a FORGED letter of resignation that Zelaya never wrote and never signed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 07/02/2009

This is the first time I heard someone defend the resignation letter. Even the poster, Zatara, who has vested interests in the coup doesn't bring up that embarrassment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 07/02/2009

He didn't break the law. How much is the NED paying you for that talking point?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 07/02/2009
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Martin Luther King was also arrested for breaking the laws that allowed segregationist to hold on to power. That kept its citizen living in horrible conditions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 07/02/2009
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