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First Posted: 07- 3-09 02:17 AM   |   Updated: 08- 2-09 05:12 AM

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Sunday's updates are here.

7:48 PM ET -- Grand Ayatollah Sanei releases another statement supporting demonstrators. A reader writes, "You may have seen this statement from Grand Ayatollah Yousof Sanei -- an Iranian scholar, renowned theologian and Islamic philosopher. He is known as a senior reformist cleric and a Grand Marja (source) of Shia Islam. He is particularly noteworthy for issuing a fatwa in which he declared suicide bombing as haram and a 'terrorist act.' ... Sanei retired as the head of the Guardian Council in 1988 and has not held any political office since."

An English version was posted on his website:

HIS EXCELLENCY GRAND AYATOLLAH SAANEI'S SYMPATHY WITH THE FAMILIES OF THE VICTIMS OF THE RECENT DISASTERS


While extending my sincere condolences to the families of the victims of the recent tragedies, and wishing a speedy recovery for the injured, particularly for our precious and devoted student body in Esfahan, Shiraz, Tehran, and other cities, who have stood up for their rights and have of late protested against the ambiguities surrounding the election results, seeking clarification which is indeed their right, I hereby express my grave sorrow and grief at the detestable incidents as have taken place and also express my aversion to those who had a hand in those disasters and tragedies. I hope that the wishes of the people will be fulfilled and their demands will be met by those responsible in the system, whose foremost duty should be the protection of people's life and property.

7:45 PM ET -- U2 goes Green. Via reader Jashar, U2 performed last night in Barcelona and played their hit "Sunday Bloody Sunday" -- about British troops who shot and killed civil rights marchers in Ireland -- as green light covered the stage and Farsi lyrics ran across the screens.

A commenter on U2's website described the scene:

First up, the previous song outros with a beautiful lilting vocal piece by (we discover) Iranian-born singer Sussan Deyhim. Then as the rhythmic opening bars of 'Sunday' arrive, the overhead spherical screens turn a luminous shade of green as farsi script script scrolls into sight.

7:40 PM ET -- Iran state media: West 'regretting' its stance. This analysis is...interesting. From Press TV:

A senior Iranian dignitary says Western powers are regretting the inappropriate stance they adopted in the wake of the June 12 presidential election.
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"Western countries have now realized their stance on the Iranian elections was undoubtedly out of line," head of the Iranian Parliament's National Security and Foreign Policy Commission Alaeddin Boroujerdi said on Friday.

Boroujerdi said British Foreign Secretary David Miliband's recent telephone conversation with his Iranian counterpart Manouchehr Mottaki shows that political heavyweights in Europe are retracting their wrong claims on Iran.

"After three weeks of resentment, [European countries] have a long way to go before rebuilding trust with Iran," said Boroujerdi.

7:38 PM ET -- "My fellow schoolmate." The Revolutionary Road blog has posted a really wonderful video of a student demonstration that reportedly took place in the last few days at Kashan University. The students "form chains and sing 'Yare dabestani' -- 'My Fellow Schoolmate' -- a classic revolutionary song that every Iranian around knows by heart."

Watch it all (and read the song lyrics) here.


7:33 PM ET -- "Ten days of anguish, abuse inside Tehran's prison archipelago." The Los Angeles Times publishes another account of the brutal violence facing people swept up by the Basij:

Ali-Reza said he was near Tehran's Fatemi Square on June 13, a day of riots and unrest just after the election, when he spotted the plainclothes Basiji fighters beating a man "in a very bad way," he said.


"Do not beat him!" he protested to the Basijis.

But instead of laying off, the militiamen came after him. "They started to follow me," he said. "I ran and changed my direction, but in a dead-end street they caught me."

He said they began pummeling him. "The started to beat and beat and beat me, with their batons, feet and cables."

They stuffed him into a van with other young men and women and took them to a holding cell near Horr Square, where they were all beaten for more than two hours, he said.

"You voted for Mousavi," one of the Basijis told them, according to Ali-Reza. "Beating you is our right. We can even kill you."

The violence continued for days.

1:27 PM ET -- The Nation's cover story: "Iran's Green Wave." It is absolutely worth going over and reading Robert Dreyfuss' complete cover story in this week's Nation magazine. He was in Iran for the election and its aftermath, and has a wealth of interesting details. Here's a taste:

[T]here was the Obama factor. Countless Iranians watched his June 4 Cairo speech, and its transcript was parsed word by word. By offering to respect Iran rather than locating it in the "axis of evil," Obama appealed to secular nationalists, activists seeking greater individual freedom and businessmen hungering for an end to the sanctions strangling Iran's economy. Nearly everyone I spoke with during the ten days I was in Iran brought up Obama, whether I asked or not. At a frenzied Moussavi rally in the city of Karaj, west of the capital, I met a campaign organizer, Hojatolislam Akbar Hamidi, 48, a distinguished cleric who's known Moussavi for more than twenty years. "I listened to Obama's speech, and it made me very happy," he told me. "But we're afraid that some Iranian authorities do not understand the positive message of Obama." In interviews at polling places on election day, dozens of voters praised Obama's opening to Iran. At a Tehran mosque where hundreds of people were lined up to vote, several dozen crowded around as I asked an older woman why she supported Moussavi. When I suggested, "Perhaps Moussavi and Obama might meet someday soon?" the crowd, translating for one another, erupted in cheers, laughter and thumbs-up signs.


More prosaically, many plugged-in Iranians told me that nearly the entirety of Iran's business class is fed up with Ahmadinejad's bellicose rhetoric, and they want to put an end to sanctions. Saeed Laylaz, an economist and former official at the Ministry of Industry, said that as a result of sanctions critical sectors of the economy--including computers and information technology, oil and natural gas, and civil aviation--are suffering badly. "Ahmadinejad's is the first right-wing government since the revolution, and it has been a catastrophe," he said. "You cannot run the government with populism. You need experts. You need technocrats. You need planners." (Laylaz was arrested days after the election; he's still in detention.) To get a sense of what the business community thinks, during election week I attended a forum packed with executives at the offices of Etelaat, a liberal newspaper, where eight former ministers of oil, industry and mining slammed the government over its incompetence. Later, at Moussavi's campaign office, one of them, Mohammad Reza Nematzadeh, who was minister of industry under Khatami, told me that he'd put his business on hold to travel across the country working for Moussavi. "I'm a businessman, and I've been reluctant to get into politics," he told me over several cups of tea. "It's the desire of most of us in the business community to rebuild relations with the United States," he said. "It doesn't mean that we have to give up our independence or our dignity."

Besides reformists, students, women and businessmen, Khamenei and Ahmadinejad are losing their core constituency: the clergy. And given that Iran is a state run by the priestly class, that might prove their undoing. I spoke to a dozen or so clerics, from low- to mid-ranking mullahs to a few who'd attained the rank of hojatolislam, just below ayatollah. There are hundreds of thousands of mullahs in Iran, perhaps a hundred or more who have attained the rank of ayatollah, and just two dozen or so who have developed sufficient reputation and following to be called grand ayatollah. And more and more of them, including many grand ayatollahs, have joined the opposition. "After the television debates with Ahmadinejad, a large number of mullahs who'd been undecided went over to Moussavi," one hojatolislam told me. They were offended, he said, by Ahmadinejad's insulting attitude toward Moussavi--particularly his rhetorical assault on his wife, Rahnavard, whom he accused of falsifying her academic credentials--and his accusations against Rafsanjani and Khatami. "A president should be polite," the cleric told me. "Impolite behavior and ugliness cannot be accepted."

1:21 PM ET -- Friday prayers. Some images from today.

Iran's head of the Guardian Council Ahmad Janati delivers his speech at the weekly Friday prayers sermon in Tehran University on June 3, 2009. The powerful Iranian cleric said that some local British embassy staff will be put on trial for allegedly stoking post-election unrest, a move set to plunge already strained ties to a new low.




1:11 PM ET -- New video. Via reader Jenny, this video was uploaded today, but the date of the events is unclear. Given the smaller crowd sizes, it seems very likely to have been filmed at least a few days after the massive demonstration on Saturday.

What's curious is that this video was apparently aired by Iran's state media (notice the PressTV logo). Also, throughout much of the footage, one can hear what sounds to be a photo camera clicking -- perhaps someone capturing images of the people in the streets.

(Warning: some intense images, including a militiaman trying to run over a demonstrator with his motorcycle.)


1:08 PM ET -- Report: U.S. to block Iran sanctions at G8. "The United States is opposed to enacting a new set of financial sanctions against Iran that are due to be discussed in the G8 summit next week, diplomatic officials in New York reported Friday. According to officials, sanctions against Iran are expected to top the G8's agenda. Sources are also predicting a pointed debate between the heads of the industrialized nations over an appropriate response to Iranian authorities' suppression of reformist demonstrations in Iran led by Mir Hossein Mousavi and other Iranian opposition leaders. "

12:49 PM ET -- Iran views: Quiet but not normal. The BBC publishes three first-person accounts from Iranians. One describes being beaten at the hands of Basij paramilitaries and the climate of fear around Internet use. Another offers this observation:

Most of the shouting from the rooftops at night has been coming from the rich and middle class areas of Tehran. There's much less, if any, from the poor areas.


On Monday I was in Niavaran Park, a very expensive area. I heard people shouting 'Allahu Akbar' as you wouldn't believe!

Afterwards I wondered if it's because the rich have satellites and can watch foreign TV, so they are influenced by that. But the poor don't have satellites and just watch the normal government TV.

12:47 PM ET -- Dalton on Iran. The tireless Steve Clemons posts an interview he conducted with Sir Richard Dalton, the UK ambassador to Iran from 2002-06.

Clemons writes, "Despite Dalton's clear concerns about the unprecedented eruption we have seen recently in Iran, he believes that engagement with Iran's regime should be a top priority."


12:42 PM ET -- New UN watchdog: no hard evidence Iran seeking nukes. Some provocative comments from the new IAEA chief: "The incoming head of the U.N.'s nuclear watchdog said Friday he did not see any hard evidence that Iran was trying to gain the ability to develop nuclear weapons. 'I don't see any evidence in IAEA official documents about this,' Yukiya Amano told Reuters in his first direct comment on Iran's nuclear program since his election, when asked whether he believed Iran was seeking a nuclear weapons capability."

12:11 PM ET -- EU summons all Iranian ambassadors in coordinated protest. Tensions are definitely rising.

The EU decided today to summon all Iranian ambassadors in capitals across Europe in a co-ordinated protest over the detention of UK embassy staff. The move came after a senior cleric said some of the staff accused of inciting protests following last month's disputed presidential election would be put on trial.


The head of Iran's guardian council, Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati, said the detained staff members had "made confessions" in connection with the unrest.

The surprise move by the council, Iran's top legislative body, will cause relations between London and Tehran to deteriorate further after tit-for-tat diplomatic expulsions last week.

10:01 AM ET -- Iran cleric says British embassy staff to stand trial. The New York Times reports:

Brushing aside British and European efforts to seek the release of local British Embassy staff members held in Tehran, the Iranian authorities indicated Friday that they plannedto put some of them on trial -- a move that deepened a diplomatic crisis and could provoke the withdrawal of ambassadors.


In London, the Foreign Office said it was urgently checking reports that the Iranian authorities planned to put two of its local employees on trial. Nine staff members were seized after the unrest sparked by Iran's disputed presidential elections on June 12.

Hours after the Iranian threat, the European Union seemed to hold back from an out-and-out showdown, resolving to summon Iranian ambassadors in all 27 countries to send "a strong message of protest against the detention of British Embassy local staff and to demand their immediate release," a European diplomat said, speaking in return for anonymity.

Other measures -- such as a ban on issuing visas to Iranian travelers and a pullout of European ambassadors -- would be considered depending on how the crisis unfolded, the diplomat said.

9:35 AM ET -- "In possible signal to Iran, Israel sends sub through Suez canal." The Jerusalem Post, which tends towards sensationalism, offers this report:

After a long hiatus, the Israeli Navy has returned to sailing through the Suez Canal, recently sending one of its advanced Dolphin-class submarines through the waterway to participate in naval maneuvers off the Eilat coast in the Red Sea.


IDF sources said the decision to allow navy vessels to sail through the canal was made recently and was a definite "change of policy" within the service. In 2005, then OC Navy Adm. David Ben-Bashat decided to stop sending Israeli ships through the canal due to growing threats in the area.

In the run-up to Iran's election, there was ample reporting that the Netanyahu-led government in Israel saw an Ahmadinejad victory as the optimal scenario -- he was a better bogeyman to use to rally international support. Since the Green uprising, the commentary from Israeli analysts has been far more divided (many now see Mousavi as a far better option), and there have been demonstrations by ordinary Israelis in support of Iran's reformists.

Yet the rhetoric from Netanyahu and Avigdor Lieberman continues to seemingly be aimed at injecting Israel into the debate in Iran (both Israeli leaders have, for instance, openly endorsed Mousavi). These are displays of support that only serve to strengthen Ahmadinejad's hand domestically.

UPDATE: Here's Israeli Ambassador Michael Oren discussing Iran with The Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg yesterday at the Aspen Ideas Festival (Iran section starts at 3:00):


9:31 AM ET -- Blogger who claimed Ahmadinejad had Jewish roots reportedly arrested. "The Iranian blogger who claimed President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has Jewish roots is being detained by the authorities after he was arrested along with 150 university students earlier this week, according to sources in Teheran. Dr. Mehdi Khazali, who reportedly participated in several recent opposition demonstrations, was reportedly summoned to a special court convened for religious figures, detained and transferred to an unknown location."

3:51 AM ET -- Jordan shuts down Press TV? Sara writes, "According to BBC Persian, Al-Alam has written to the network news offices in Amman ordering the state offices of the English-language Iranian television network of Press TV to be shut down." More Press TV discussion below.

3:43 AM ET -- Ahmadinejad 'facing diplomatic isolation.' The Los Angeles Times' term -- "diplomatic isolation" -- may be too strong for what we've seen thus far. A dozen or so countries have recognized Ahmadinejad'd victory, and even the U.S. provided visas to Iranian officials who visited the UN in New York last week. But as the Times notes today, Ahmadinejad's diplomatic treatment has certainly undergone a significant change since his tainted "victory" in last month's election:

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev publicly greeted Ahmadinejad at a recent meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, but did not grant him a private meeting as he had the leaders of Pakistan and Afghanistan. In Belarus, the Iranian leader was met not by President Alexander Lukashenko, but by the speaker of the upper house of parliament.


A similar pattern has emerged in the Middle East, where Arab regimes have long been wary of Iran's ambitions. Authorities in Jordan withdrew licenses for two Iranian news organizations this week and the sultan of Oman reportedly canceled a trip to Tehran following the unrest after Iran's June 12 election.

Snubs and slights in the diplomatic world are common, sometimes almost imperceptible. But as long as Ahmadinejad remains in power, with the support of Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, there are concerns about how the messy fallout over his reelection will influence diplomacy regarding Iran's nuclear program, regional stature and relations with the U.S. and Europe.

3:40 AM ET -- "Your breath smells of Allah-o Akbar." A great cartoon via Tehran Bureau, which reports on Iranians' daily battles to keep their satellite dishes.

Basij militiaman to driver: "Your breath smells of Allah o Akbar." The chant of Allah o Akbar, which helped bring down the Shah 30 years ago, is now being chanted every night in protest of the current government.


3:32 AM ET -- Don't negotiate. There has been a notable swing in the pendulum among centrist and progressive Iran analysts -- Trita Parsi (in the call mentioned below), NYT columnist Roger Cohen, and Fareed Zakaria all now advocate a relative freeze in negotiations with Iran. Zakaria explained his position in a new interview with CNN:

CNN: Is this from a position of weakness, because the West has so few options?


Zakaria: Not really, because while it might seem like the West has few options, in reality, Iran has fewer. Its economy is doing badly, the regime is facing its greatest challenge since its founding, and its proxies in Lebanon, Iraq and elsewhere are all faring worse than it had expected. Let the supreme leader and President Ahmadinejad figure out what they should do first. Time might not be on their side.

3:30 AM ET -- Digg. I try to post these Digg solicitations fairly regularly, and readers have been so supportive. Having Iran news featured on social networks really helps remind people that the uprising continues and still needs their attention. If you'd like to support this post, click here. Thanks.

3:28 AM ET -- Trita Parsi on the Iranian opposition: Nothing is over. Spencer Ackerman reviews a press call that keen Iran analyst Trita Parsi held today:

Parsi further explained, in response to Matt Duss of the Center for American Progress, that the critical constituency would be conservative clerics who feel threatened by Ahmadinejad's consolidation of power. In an irony from the perspective of the American debate about Iran -- which conflates reformism with secularism -- the clerics see Ahmadinejad "as a dangerous element, quite correctly, who tries to undermine the clergy as a whole." That might compel some of them to resist Ahmadinejad, or to place pressure on Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei to find some compromise with the opposition.


But if a compromise can't be found, then the opposition enters a new phase, having to face a choice between accepting Ahmadinejad and moving to a more radical position. "There are people loyal to the system, who don't want to bring the system down but at the same time believe the system is quite imperfect [and wish to] ensure the system changes through peaceful means," Parsi said. If they fail, "then we face a significantly more radical movement in Iran, with more bloodshed than we've seen."

3:17 AM ET -- Some bad news, and some great news. First the bad: Freegate, an organization formed to help Chinese get around web censors, has cut Iran's access by 75 percent due to the high costs.

The much better news: the excellent Tor Project is still seeing major growth in Iran connections -- but as they explain, the project is always in need of donations.

Meanwhile, there are multiple efforts around the world right now to establish serious funding to help ordinary Iranians break through the government's Internet wall. I'll post details here as soon as they're available.

3:14 AM ET -- Swedish PM speaks on Iran. As readers know, Sweden assumed the presidency of the EU on Wednesday. Video via reader Heather:


3:02 AM ET -- Press TV rep claims network is "impartial." Via reader Heather, the BBC aired a debate on Wednesday between a senior staffer of Iran's state-backed network Press TV and British journalist Martin Bright. At the onset, the BBC noted that Britain's communication department is reviewing Press TV's broadcasting license.

To be honest, the debate is a bit unsatisfying, since neither the BBC host nor Bright seemed to do much research before the segment. But the fact that this propaganda outlet is increasingly coming under scrutiny is certainly good news.


2:45 AM ET -- Charges sought for Mousavi carry 10 year prison sentence. "Iran's embattled opposition leader, Mirhossein Mousavi, faces a new threat after the Basiji militia accused him of 'offences against the state' and 'disturbing the nation's security', charges which carry a sentence of 10 years' imprisonment."

2:40 AM ET -- Imprisoning an innocent, severely disabled man. Tehran Broadcast publishes an emotional plea for the release of Saeed Hajarian, "a prominent reformist theorist, [who] survived an attempted assassination in March 2000, at the peak of the conflicts between conservatives and reformists in Iran, and has subsequently become severely disabled."

An excerpt from the piece, directed at Hajarian's interrogators:

What did you tell Saeed? How did you ask him to talk? Saeed?


He can't talk. I have seen Saeed. When he wants to talk he has to concentrate all his afflicted and sick body to utter a word. Don't tell him to talk; he can't talk. When he was able to talk, he wasn't talking either. Outside the prison, when he met his friends, he was barely talking. Now what do you expect from him? Him who hardly can speak and even forcing himself is still not able to utter a word.

You have been putting your one hand on his afflicted shoulder and have been pressuring his weak body and have been telling him, "Tell me you were trying to do 'Green Revolution,' Tell me..." Meanwhile, you have been making a fist with the other hand to punch his face. Move away your hand. HE CANNOT TALK!

I had visited Saeed Hajarian when he was at "City Council". With numerous surgeries they had kept him alive and he was still not able to have control over his face and his hands. With great effort, he said," Seyed, I read your piece and I laughed. It's been a while since I've laughed." I was glad I was able to give a smile to his afflicted heart, but I was upset that this smile might have made him suffer more pain in his body. A body which suffered for freedom and was injured for knowing.


2:28 AM ET -- Programming note. I'll be on C-SPAN's Washington Journal this morning at 8AM ET.

2:25 AM ET -- Doctor who tried to save Neda responds to Iran propaganda. A reader helpfully sent along this link to the blog of Arash Hejazi, the doctor who attempted to save Neda's life, subsequently fled to London, and now is being attacked in state media by Iranian officials. The reader provided a nearly full translation of the blog post:

After my interview on June 25th, 2009, regarding my personal account of the brutal killing of Neda Agha Soltan, I read the news of my arrest warrant by the government of Iran.


As I mentioned in the interview, I was expecting such as action from a government, which is founded on lies and deceit. I was expecting them to deny my statements. This government, instead of bringing justice to the murders of this innocent girl and others and accepting their responsibilities, tries to blame individuals and organizations, which have done nothing wrong.

They have put pressure on my friends and family who have done nothing. They have harassed my father who is 70 years and a university professor.

I did what every human would have done in my situation. I tried to save a victim. When the government tried to cover up the details, I testified what I witnessed.

I have lived my life so that I would have no regret. I was one of the first physicians who went to Bam after the earthquake so that I could be near the victims who had no hope. However this time, this victim was not the victim of a natural disaster.

I am a writer and from my essays and stories, you will realize that I have always been a human rights advocate and I have paid the price.

I have always tired to live honestly and do not betray my principles.

I believe what I did regarding Neda was the right things. I believe that if I have to pay the price, so be it, but I reserve the right to defend my honor.

God is my witness that I told the truth.

This lie questions the entire principles of this government. A government which questions the events of WWII, claims that there is freedom of speech in Iran, claims that there is no censorship, states that there are no political prisoners and that each individual enjoys full rights including regarding their sex, religion and race.

In the past 20 days, the world has come to realize that these are false claims. I know that the world will not believe these new lies and know that this physician has do nothing except following his principles and coming to the help of people who need help and stating the truth.

Neda was not the only victim. Are all the other victims the result of Western conspiracy?

I am only a witness. Why are they pursuing the witness and not the killers? Is there enough bloodshed? Should I have been silent regarding this horrible crime? Is this the message that we want to send to the future generations?

I believe that all the citizens of the world will support me and thousands of other Iranians who have been beaten, murdered and imprisoned, in order to achieve freedom and join the rest of the free people.

I am proud of myself for being a part of this movement. I have done something that every honest human being would have done. This is my crime and this is why they are threatening me.

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quote:
In the run-up to Iran's election, there was ample reporting that the Netanyahu-led government in Israel saw an Ahmadinejad victory as the optimal scenario -- he was a better bogeyman to use to rally international support. Since the Green uprising, the commentary from Israeli analysts has been far more divided (many now see Mousavi as a far better option), and there have been demonstrations by ordinary Israelis in support of Iran's reformists.

Yet the rhetoric from Netanyahu and Avigdor Lieberman continues to seemingly be aimed at injecting Israel into the debate in Iran (both Israeli leaders have, for instance, openly endorsed Mousavi). These are displays of support that only serve to strengthen Ahmadinejad's hand domestically.
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If they wanted to help Iranians, they would both keep their mouths shut or be as careful as President Obama has been not to take sides in Iranian partisan politics. But Netanyahu and Lieberman "govern" from fear, which certain scary Ahmadinejad remarks make much easier for them. They are deliberately giving Ahmadinejad material to use, at his convenience, to strengthen his position against moderate and reformist opponents, because they believe their own strength against domestic political opponents is served by having a foreign "threat" to be seen "defending" against, and simultaneously making Ahmadinejad look even scarier. It's all just political theater.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 07/05/2009
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wow what happened to comment I posted regarding election?
Was it too logical so it had to be removed?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 AM on 07/05/2009
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Another view of Iranian crisis, left American crisis: http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/21820

Iran and Leftist Confusion
By Reese Erlich

When I returned from covering the Iranian elections recently, I was surprised to find my email box filled with progressive authors, academics and bloggers bending themselves into knots about the current crisis in Iran. They cite the long history of U.S. interference in Iran and conclude that the current unrest there must be sponsored or manipulated by the Empire.

That comes as quite a shock to those risking their lives daily on the streets of major Iranian cities fighting for political, social and economic justice.

Some of these authors have even cited my book, The Iran Agenda, as a source to prove U.S. meddling. Whoa there, pardner. Now we're getting personal.

The large majority of American people, particularly leftists and progressives, are sympathetic to the demonstrators in Iran, oppose Iranian government repression and also oppose any U.S. military or political interference in that country. But a small and vocal number of progressives are questioning that view, including authors writing for Monthly Review online, Foreign Policy Journal, and prominent academics such as retired professor James Petras.

[article continues detailing and deconstructing allegations and their motives, ending with:]

The leftist critics must answer the question: Whose side are you on?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 07/05/2009

Why?

I can be on the side of liberty and freedom,
without being on either side of the dispute in Iran.

I am against the repression of people,
against fixed elections,
against fascism.

The government could open its doors to progress,
or they can keep their people down,
until they bring themselves down.

Why do I have to pick sides based on these incomplete principles?
These are narrow categories.
True that, like many over excited republicans, some progressives cannot see anything like this happening without Big Brother America being invloved somehow.
When's the next James Bond film?
But I think most naivete on this shows through, including my own.
I fully admit that I am learning about Iran as this crisis unfolds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 AM on 07/05/2009

(cont)

Much of the wonder of the rebellion in Iran is that it was not an open rebellion but simply an outpouring of feeling for the nation.
That is one huge thing the leaders ruined, that the people came out to speak for Iran.
They cared about their nation. What the government gave them in return will be remembered forever.

That is the level I respond to here.

Whether dictators survive, or policy wonks get their convictions confirmed,
is all somewhere off to the side.
I think most people agree that where one lines up here has little to do with Iran.

These issues are much larger than "Iran and Leftist Confusion".
For example,
How do events in Iran effect our views of theocratic dictatorships?
Can the US restrict relations with Iran while at the same time offering an opening on important issues?

Fascinating reading, all the same.
The bloviated sense of America's importance in every corner of the world is already a hangover from "another age"!

Thanks

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 AM on 07/05/2009
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"These issues are much larger than "Iran and Leftist Confusion"."

I agree AbImp. The post I cited was directed at people who heart Ahmadinejad &/or feel that US is behind the Iranian unrest- which to the author and to me shows a crisis of thought. I hope that's a fairly small subgroup.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 07/05/2009

Closet Dictator waves to Obama

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/07/04/iran.ahmadinejad.obama/index.html

Ahmadinejad wants to meet with Obama.

"I will go to the United Nations and will invite Obama to negotiations," Ahmadinejad said, adding that such talks would be "in front of the international media, not a sit-down behind closed doors in order to talk about matters."

He wants a "stage" for some more of his antics,
presumably so he can accuse Obama of meddling
in his stolen, murderous election.
Perhaps he thinks he can shame Obama into some admission,
but he doesn't need the answer,
just a public forum to ask it.
Then his hoodlum video experts can affix any answer they want.
They can show their brave president,
standing up to those foreign powers,
that seek to ruin Iran from the outside. . .

Hack-mad-ina-jad
I welcome you to my house . . .

You murdered my brothers and sisters.

I am an atheist.
But people who seek
liberty and freedom under dictators
are our brothers and sisters.
Fascists are not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 AM on 07/05/2009
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Shouldn't there be a link to this thread *somewhere* on the main page?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 07/04/2009
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Take that all you left-reactionaries who support Ahmadinejad. From Bataille Socialiste

http://bataillesocialiste.wordpress.com/2009/06/21/preliminary-statement-on-the-upheaval-in-iran/

Since the 2005 election of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to the presidency, the regime has tightened repression, clamping down on women, youth, and trade unions, while at the same time engaging in flights of demagoguery in the form of right-wing populism. Ahmadinejad, the fraudulent President, taunted the opposition at his large victory rally on June 14. He called them “dirt,” ridiculed their charges of fraud, threatened them with arrest, and in a blatant example of his reactionary form of anti-imperialism, stated that in Iran, “everything is grounded in moral values,” but in the West, “thieves, homosexuals and other impure people are included in the electorate in order to gain a few votes” (Le Monde, 6/14/09).

The next day, the clownish Ahmadinejad got his answer, as over one million protestors filled Tehran’s Azadi Square, far surpassing the pro-regime rally.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 07/04/2009
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"Take that all you left-reactionaries who support Ahmadinejad."

You actually found some? Where?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 07/04/2009
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I think a lot of posters shilling for IRI are motivated by a two-dimensional animosity towards US foreign policy that has them embrace ANYTHING that can pose as a threat. I've had unfortunate conversations with such at ant-war demonstrations. I'm a socialist and can't stand many US policies, but why should I let that drive me to have anything but solidarity with the Iranian people struggling to be free, contradictions and all. Yet some have elected to crawl in bed with IRI and Ahmadinejad and scorn the Iranian freedom movement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 07/04/2009
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I see hypocrisy in the above comments of Ahmadinejad. I wish I could see moral values in this regimes recent action. There are many good people in all strata of Iranian society; some very devoutly Muslim and some are Westernized and secular in outlook. It is best if the Iranians solve this crisis themselves without outside intervention, and if whatever gears operate behind the scenes of the complicated IRI government give the good people on the streets a fair hearing. This crisis may still be in its early stages, so it may take some time to finally be resolved.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 AM on 07/05/2009
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 PM on 07/04/2009
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“This crack in the clerical establishment and the fact they are siding with the people and Moussavi in my view is the most historic crack in the 30 years of the Islamic republic,” said Abbas Milani, director of the Iranian Studies Program at Stanford University. “Remember they are going against an election verified and sanctified by Khamenei.”

Obviously these mullahs in Qum are paid CIA assets. I'm sure the combination of bribes by Mossad and watching too much Mainstream Media corrupted them into submission.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 PM on 07/04/2009

So are you saying the NYTimes thinks this way?
Or the poster? Or "every leftist critic"?

That there are cracks in the clerical establishment is known,
they were there before the election,
because Khamenei is not respected as a muslim scholar.

This is true on its own value.

Whether anyone connects this to "CIA involvement" is another matter.

I want to connect this movement in Iran,
to the general trend of liberty and freedom,
which I hope to be spreading across the world.

But how can I even prove this?
In fact, the reactionary government of Iran
instead gives further evidence of increased repression in the world.
My "frame" is reduced to pure hope.

What "happens in Qom" may resolve Iran's crisis,
but do nothing to advance liberty.

To argue and make claimss about "CIA involvement"
is to tell bed time tales,
to people who need to pretend they are important,
by pretending we are involved.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 AM on 07/05/2009
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This is good news. I would be curious to know who sits on this committee. Any grand Ayatollahs?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 07/04/2009
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Sorry, there are so many committees and Counsels and government bodies and non government organizations who made their appearance in this debacle. I am unfamiliar with the Association of Researchers and Teachers of Qum. They sound like a significant organization. I hope that the individuals who are members of this organization and who this Association speaks for carry high enough credentials to bring something positive to this crisis.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 07/04/2009
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can you try to copy and paste the most informative parts of that article onto huffpost?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 AM on 07/05/2009


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A building right adjacent to St. Sarkis church is painted with a ubiquitous image of American flag [ http://www.travel-images.com/iran68.jpg ] depicted as red and white strips dropping bombs that the media usually plasters to convey regime's general contempt toward America. It's clearly visible as you drive down the Karimkhan-e Zand bridge toward Vali-e Asr Square -- now you know where the picture came from. Frankly, nobody ever cares about these public display of rhetorical idiocies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 PM on 07/04/2009
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Absent quotation marks, that Nico saying Press TV is a 'propaganda outlet' which is true, but stil, a bit rich: What's Huffi Post?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 07/04/2009
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Look at that picture of Mousavi. It looks like he's doing an Iranian version of Saturday Night Fever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 07/04/2009
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Just an observation that the regime of the Ayatollahs is remarkably similar to that of the Stalinist Soviet Union. Iran however is an Islamic Republic while the Soviet Union was an atheistic republic. The political system in both Iran and the Soviet Union hence has and had no real relationship to the underlying belief system of the respective states. It has more to do with preserving a medieval autocracy under some sort of enabling ideological smoke screen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 07/04/2009
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If anyone wants a good laugh after pulling an OJ, listen to him now: http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=99686&sectionid=351020101

BTW, since someone, very sloppy, mentioned Payvand, look at their articles today, and, well, within the recent month: http://www.payvand.com/news/

Here's an excerpt of one:

One hundred years ago, Howard Baskerville, a 24-year old missionary educator, became Iran's American martyr while trying to help Iranians then struggling for freedom. He's still admired in Iran; in 2005, former President Mohammed Khatami unveiled a sculpture of Baskerville in Tabriz's Constitutional House museum. Before his death, Baskerville explained to skeptical friends that "The only difference between me and these people is my place of birth, and that is not a big difference."

Reading Independence Day in Iran
By Wm. Scott Harrop and R.K. Ramazani
http://www.payvand.com/news/09/jul/1033.html

! ژوئیه ۴ مبارگ

P.S. Thanks H_P for scrubbing my thoughtful responses to all the holes in the Tinfoil Hat Society's shoddy viral conspiracies. It's really encouraging to the furtherance of thoughtful dialogue here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 07/04/2009
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First character there before the 'o' meant to be a 'zhe'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 07/04/2009

Excellent job as usual Mr. Pitney-- thank you for keeping the news out of Iran up to date for all of us.

Hossein Shariatmadari, the Editor-in-Chief of hardline newspaper Kayhan, is either dull, or deliberately fibbing-- good grief, Mr. Mousavi was the Islamic Republic's first Prime Minister way back when Iranian students kidnapped our embassy employees and Ambassador. This claim is nonsense-- and if I know this fact (an American) most certainly the Iranians know this..

What next? Will "hardliners" in Iran accuse the Ayatollah himself of being an American agent? What nonsense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 07/04/2009

According to Wikipedia (where I learned to spellz), Mousavi was "the fifth and last prime minister of Iran from 1981 to 1989". Before that, in 1979 "he was appointed by Khomeini to the Iranian Council of Islamic revolution." He was present and accounted for during the 444 day hostage crisis. He was in the government. That's not to say he hasn't changed, because anything is possible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 07/04/2009
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I'm inclined to trust that he's changed, and less so with Rafsanjani.

Never trust a businessman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 07/04/2009
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRwUZ-u6KFo Watch about the US program to destabilize IRAN from two years ago.... sounds like its working.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 07/04/2009
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If there has been an attempt to destabilize the current regime in Iran, then the hardliners are either buffoons for outrageous and indefensible brutality or are CIA themselves. What better way to ensure a revolt than to alienate the very people that make a society function?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 07/04/2009

Maybe a little of both? Here in the States, we have the same situation, except we have mastered the art of the vote to simulate revolution.

"Freedom is an Illusion"
- Colossus, The Forbin Project

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 07/04/2009
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Mousavi probably is an US agent... who knows... this is an excellent article about the other "color" revolutions the US had had a hand in... http://www.sott.net/articles/show/187988-Color-Revolutions-Old-and-New... for anyone who thinks this whole thing smells like a black op...

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