MOUNTAIN OF DEBT: Rising debt may be next crisis

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TOM RAUM | 07/ 3/09 11:31 PM | AP

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The soaring national debt is recorded on the National Debt Clock in New York, Friday, July 3, 2009. Already complicating efforts by President Barack Obama and Congress to cope with the worst recession in decades, economists warn that the mountain of debt easily could become the next full-fledged economic crisis without firm action from Washington. (AP Photo/Yanina Manolova)

WASHINGTON — The Founding Fathers left one legacy not celebrated on Independence Day but which affects us all. It's the national debt.

The country first got into debt to help pay for the Revolutionary War. Growing ever since, the debt stands today at a staggering $11.5 trillion _ equivalent to over $37,000 for each and every American. And it's expanding by over $1 trillion a year.

The mountain of debt easily could become the next full-fledged economic crisis without firm action from Washington, economists of all stripes warn.

"Unless we demonstrate a strong commitment to fiscal sustainability in the longer term, we will have neither financial stability nor healthy economic growth," Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke recently told Congress.

Higher taxes, or reduced federal benefits and services _ or a combination of both _ may be the inevitable consequences.

The debt is complicating efforts by President Barack Obama and Congress to cope with the worst recession in decades as stimulus and bailout spending combine with lower tax revenues to widen the gap.

Interest payments on the debt alone cost $452 billion last year _ the largest federal spending category after Medicare-Medicaid, Social Security and defense. It's quickly crowding out all other government spending. And the Treasury is finding it harder to find new lenders.

The United States went into the red the first time in 1790 when it assumed $75 million in the war debts of the Continental Congress.

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Alexander Hamilton, the first treasury secretary, said, "A national debt, if not excessive, will be to us a national blessing."

Some blessing.

Since then, the nation has only been free of debt once, in 1834-1835.

The national debt has expanded during times of war and usually contracted in times of peace, while staying on a generally upward trajectory. Over the past several decades, it has climbed sharply _ except for a respite from 1998 to 2000, when there were annual budget surpluses, reflecting in large part what turned out to be an overheated economy.

The debt soared with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and economic stimulus spending under President George W. Bush and now Obama.

The odometer-style "debt clock" near Times Square _ put in place in 1989 when the debt was a mere $2.7 trillion _ ran out of numbers and had to be shut down when the debt surged past $10 trillion in 2008.

The clock has since been refurbished so higher numbers fit. There are several debt clocks on Web sites maintained by public interest groups that let you watch hundreds, thousands, millions zip by in a matter of seconds.

The debt gap is "something that keeps me awake at night," Obama says.

He pledged to cut the budget "deficit" roughly in half by the end of his first term. But "deficit" just means the difference between government receipts and spending in a single budget year.

This year's deficit is now estimated at about $1.85 trillion.

Deficits don't reflect holdover indebtedness from previous years. Some spending items _ such as emergency appropriations bills and receipts in the Social Security program _ aren't included, either, although they are part of the national debt.

The national debt is a broader, and more telling, way to look at the government's balance sheets than glancing at deficits.

According to the Treasury Department, which updates the number "to the penny" every few days, the national debt was $11,518,472,742,288 on Wednesday.

The overall debt is now slightly over 80 percent of the annual output of the entire U.S. economy, as measured by the gross domestic product.

By historical standards, it's not proportionately as high as during World War II, when it briefly rose to 120 percent of GDP. But it's still a huge liability.

Also, the United States is not the only nation struggling under a huge national debt. Among major countries, Japan, Italy, India, France, Germany and Canada have comparable debts as percentages of their GDPs.

Where does the government borrow all this money from?

The debt is largely financed by the sale of Treasury bonds and bills. Even today, amid global economic turmoil, those still are seen as one of the world's safest investments.

That's one of the rare upsides of U.S. government borrowing.

Treasury securities are suitable for individual investors and popular with other countries, especially China, Japan and the Persian Gulf oil exporters, the three top foreign holders of U.S. debt.

But as the U.S. spends trillions to stabilize the recession-wracked economy, helping to force down the value of the dollar, the securities become less attractive as investments. Some major foreign lenders are already paring back on their purchases of U.S. bonds and other securities.

And if major holders of U.S. debt were to flee, it would send shock waves through the global economy _ and sharply force up U.S. interest rates.

As time goes by, demographics suggest things will get worse before they get better, even after the recession ends, as more baby boomers retire and begin collecting Social Security and Medicare benefits.

While the president remains personally popular, polls show there is rising public concern over his handling of the economy and the government's mushrooming debt _ and what it might mean for future generations.

If things can't be turned around, including establishing a more efficient health care system, "We are on an utterly unsustainable fiscal course," said the White House budget director, Peter Orszag.

Some budget-restraint activists claim even the debt understates the nation's true liabilities.

The Peter G. Peterson Foundation, established by a former commerce secretary and investment banker, argues that the $11.4 trillion debt figures does not take into account roughly $45 trillion in unlisted liabilities and unfunded retirement and health care commitments.

That would put the nation's full obligations at $56 trillion, or roughly $184,000 per American, according to this calculation.

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On the Net:

Treasury Department "to the penny" national debt breakdown: http://tinyurl.com/yrxrsh

Peter G. Peterson Foundation independent assessment of the national debt: http://www.pgpf.org/

"Deficits do Matter" debt clock: http://tinyurl.com/l6mvjb

WASHINGTON — The Founding Fathers left one legacy not celebrated on Independence Day but which affects us all. It's the national debt. The country first got into debt to help pay for the Revolu...
WASHINGTON — The Founding Fathers left one legacy not celebrated on Independence Day but which affects us all. It's the national debt. The country first got into debt to help pay for the Revolu...
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The USA did NOT have a national dept in 2000 when Bush when into office, we had a SURPLUS of cash. The article should read "10 trillion dollar legacy of Bush".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 07/06/2009

The US did have a national debt in 2000. It did not at that time have a national budget deficit, which is to say that the US did not add to the national debt that year. But true - today's debt is very much a legacy of Bush, who had the lack of sense to decrease taxes during a war.. Made his rich buddies happy for a little while, but in reality that booming economy should have been an excuse to pay down some of the US debt, instead of incurring more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 07/06/2009
- gs425 I'm a Fan of gs425 8 fans permalink
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Clinton increased the National Debt from 4.06 Trillion to 5.66 Trillion, nearly 40%. In that time, the us taxpayer forked out over 2.7 trillion in interest alone. If you have debt, any at all, there is no such thing as a surplus and at an average of 330billion a year in interest, the Clinton administration had NO surplus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 07/06/2009
- SangZe I'm a Fan of SangZe 34 fans permalink

Obamanomics at its best.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 07/06/2009

With consumer deleveraging and credit crunch - we cannot have any quick recovery - L is best case scenario. Speculative stock buying and PPT euphoria is no substitute for anything.

Credit is falling so much - private credit decreased by $1.8 Trillion is the first quarter, consumer credit by $90.7 billion (annualized). Household net worth down by $13.87 trillion.

There is no trigger for recovery - new technology, new markets, demographics, new ideas. Green is just a boondoggle and BRICs can only do so much. JPM and GS etc are just trying to create another bubble - it suits their ends not yours.

hat tip to http://iamned.blogspot.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 07/06/2009
- gs425 I'm a Fan of gs425 8 fans permalink
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The next 'crisis' will be under funded pensions that are gauranteed by law. You know the ones that the teachers, government (local, state, and federal) workers get to be 'public servants'. Seems that the rate of return on the funds is backed by you and I - the consumer. Fund managers are allowed to dabble in the stock market and any losses will be made up by the taxpayer and then on top of that, make up the rate of return. Boy we sure can elect some real winners to make that law possible aye?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 07/06/2009
- 3dtrix I'm a Fan of 3dtrix 178 fans permalink

Tobacco companies sell cigarette smoking as cool, mature and sophisticated. Producers of alcoholic beverages sell consumption of their products as cool, mature, and sophisticated. Financial institutions sell the idea of financing "the good life" on credit as cool, mature, and sophisticated. How many sales promotions for whatever products or services employ the phrase "You deserve..."? Do they have our number, or what? Are hundreds of millions of us really that simple, really that easy to manipulate? You betcha...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 PM on 07/05/2009

This article is wrong in many ways. For one, it is excessively alarmist about the national debt. Yes, the national debt has gone up in nominal dollar terms over time, but so has our economy. The only meaningful term when measuring debts is debt/gdp ratio, which, contrary to the thrust of the article, has actually come down significantly since World War II. Secondly, it does not sufficiently emphasize the single largest threat to our fiscal health: health care. If we allow health care costs to continue to rise at the current rate, they will break the bank. Thankfully, however, Obama and some Congressional Democrats are trying to do something about this. Unfortunately, their efforts will likely fall short. If we really want to control rising health care costs without compromising health care quality, we need a single payer system. But on to error 3: right wing hedge fund billionaire Pete Peterson is quoted in the article. Pete Peterson has one goal in life now that he's already absurdly rich: privatize and/or dramatically cut social security benefits. He is not, by any means, a credible or objective source on fiscal issues. No self-respecting progressive blog ought to ever post a piece that quotes Mr. Peterson without qualification.For more on how awful this article is, check out Dean Baker, who's a heck of a lot smarter than me: http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/beat_the_press_archive?month=07&year=2009&base_name=can_someone_help_ap_find_infor

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 07/05/2009

China is going to tell us what we can and can not do. China owns your home, your childrens college education, and your car in the driveway. Americans need to start saving every dollar they make.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 PM on 07/05/2009

While it's not possible to save EVERY dollar we make, I agree Americans must save every dollar they can count as extra money, if that is at all possible these days. But you never know, legislation could be not too distant that will criminalize savings in excess of 5% of annual earnings, forcing us to spend in a last ditch effort to save the crumbling financial markets and Wall Street. A bit extreme maybe, but then again.....­..........­.......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 07/05/2009
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 144 fans permalink

Now that is a dark scenario...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 07/05/2009
- fairdebate I'm a Fan of fairdebate 3 fans permalink

No way......Obama can turn one dollar into two dollars....he is magic

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 07/05/2009
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 144 fans permalink

Debt exists for one reason only, as even Hamilton would have agreed--to power the banks. Without debt--not income, banks would have no reason to exist. The central bank in every form up to and including the present Federal Reserve has always been about enslaving the country with debt.

The current economic shake down from the Wall Street banks is about consolidating their power, buying up what's left of their competitors and industrial America on the cheap, and sinking us into a debt that can never be repaid--unless we go Brazil, throw out the bankers, and forgive our selves this bogus debt created by the FED, and start clean with the government controlling the issue of our currency as the Constitution requires.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 07/05/2009

Hey, what are our thermonuclear weapons good for anyway if not to let us run huge debts?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 PM on 07/05/2009

"Among major countries, Japan, Italy, India, France, Germany and Canada have comparable debts as percentages of their GDPs."

It's not good, but it's not the end of the world. At least those nations are all democracies that have some respect for human rights, unlike China.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 07/05/2009
- Harrier I'm a Fan of Harrier 10 fans permalink

I don't see anyone working on evaluating Credit default swaps and writing them down. This was a major issue that Japan had and still haven't come to terms with. I don't see anywhere, where there are listed and a value is being placed in them some they can be written down and officially inventoried. People who have lost their jobs or about to lose their jobs want to know where we are at with the Credit defact swaps and mortgage loans as well as cash flow to businesses.

What is the age breakdown of people laid off and how long have they been laid off. Why is China taking all our manufacturing, just hollowing out our country and what is being done to bring it all back. While are all the insurance companies now denying claims? Laws are not put in place to prevent this movement of money those would help this economy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 07/05/2009
- Flavor I'm a Fan of Flavor 63 fans permalink

First, you have to be realistic and don't hype the people, you see right now we are on our last leg. We owe peter, paul and mary, and China. Common sense, ought to tell the powers that be if you don't have a job then you aren't able to pay banks, utilities, carpayment, childcare ect.... or luxries we were use to. Now as far as the debt (did'nt we all see it coming), this is no suprise to many but finally they have discoverd we don't have enough jobs to support the people or pay bills (duh!) give me a break!!! look,I was thinking today and I said to myself, flavor these people got us where they want us, depending on foreign oil, china goods, india goods, all while america was sleep thinking men/women we put in office were for the people but actually they were for self. Making deals, giving the okay for foreign trade it ain't much made in america bloggers, we now depend on others to supply our daily resources, now that's a disgrace to the human race that a powerful country has little of it's own name on production, nowhere else in the world is that possible. No the banks won't get paid but whose gonna pay china? America can't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 07/05/2009
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Student loans are going to be a big part of this with everyone being laid off. I just wonder what will happen when the Chinese refuse to loan to us anymore, and then the future tax payer money from the working class cant be used to prop up the elitist Ivy Greed rich anymore? The real problems will start for us , the working people, when the rich start having tantrums because the gov cant give them the money to think they "deserve" so they can keep living like kings and queens. That's when our Gov will really start to do things that will baffle our minds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 07/05/2009

The Chinese are holding so much of your debt they can't let you drown. They may end up owning more of the US and you do, but they'll let enough trickle down to allow you to continue to buy their exports. It's a co-dependence type of thing.....­.......unt­il a replacement can be found.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 07/05/2009
- SCG I'm a Fan of SCG 110 fans permalink
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Next crisis? It's part of the current crisis.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 07/05/2009

No kidding and now talk of Stimulus II. Brilliant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 07/05/2009
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