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US President Barack Obama, greets the European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso, left, while Prime Minister Taro Aso from Japan second left, and German chancellor Angela Merkel second right, look at Silvio Berlusconi from Italy, right, at their arrival to the G8 summit in L'Aquila, Italy, Wednesday, July 8, 2009. (AP Photo/Michael Gottschalk/Pool)

L'AQUILA, Italy — Targeting global warming, President Barack Obama and other leaders of the world's richest industrial countries pledged Wednesday to seek dramatic cuts in greenhouse gas emissions by 2050 to slow dangerous climate change. Setting a marker for success, they agreed for the first time that worldwide temperatures must not rise more than a few degrees.

However, their goals are nonbinding, and it's far from clear they will be met. The wealthy nations failed to persuade the leaders of big developing countries to promise to cut their own fast-spreading pollution, unable to overcome arguments that the well-established industrial giants aren't doing enough in the short term.

Obama and his counterparts from the other wealthy Group of Eight nations agreed that global temperatures should be kept from rising by more than 2 degrees Celsius, or 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit, in the fight against weather changes caused by mankind.

The results left some Western leaders cheering. British Prime Minister Gordon Brown called the group's statement a "historic agreement." German Chancellor Angela Merkel said it was "a clear step forward."

Environmental groups said the effort fell far short in its bid to cut carbon emissions that come mainly from energy production and that trap heat in the atmosphere. Still, climate change experts said the measure on trying to limit temperature increases _ with agreement by both the G-8 and a 17-member group of industrialized and developing nations meeting here this week _ was an important step.

An increase up to the limit the leaders set wouldn't eliminate the risk of runaway climate change but would reduce it, experts said. Even a slight increase in average temperatures could wreak havoc on farmers around the globe, as seasons shift, crops fail and storms and droughts ravage fields.

"After a long struggle, all of the G-8 nations have finally accepted the 2-degree goal," said Merkel.

The United States and other G-8 nations set a goal of reducing their greenhouse gas emissions by 80 percent or more by 2050. That's part of a plan to have all such gases, from rich and poor nations alike, fall by 50 percent globally by that year.

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But developing countries feel the better-established nations aren't doing enough in the shorter term. They also worry that major reduction commitments on their parts, even if below the 80 percent target of rich nations, would hamper economic growth in China, India, Mexico, Brazil and many other non G-8 countries.

As for the target for limiting global temperatures, a summit statement said it reflected a "broad scientific view."

Until now, however, the U.S. had resisted embracing the target because it implied a commitment to dramatically change the way the world generates electricity, fuels its cars and builds its houses. U.S. businesses and the broader national economy could suffer badly under strict pollution limits, many argue.

Environmentalists welcomed the shift in U.S. policy but criticized the G-8's failure to agree on more immediate goals for the industrial countries. The long-term ambition "is too far off to matter _ poor people are being hit today," said Antonio Hill, of the nonprofit Oxfam International.

The G-8 leaders also addressed the global recession and agreed economic conditions are still too shaky to begin rolling back massive fiscal stimulus plans.

A statement said leaders "note some signs of stabilization," but it stressed the difficult outlook instead of counter-concerns over debt and high spending.

The leaders did commit to preparing exit strategies from the "unprecedented and concerted action" that has been taken to boost growth through government spending, low interest rates and expansive monetary policy. Germany, worried about running up crippling debt, has pressed for spending restraint, but other major economies including Britain, Japan and the United States won't rule out the need to pump in more money.

The leaders gathered Wednesday in the earthquake-devastated central Italian city of L'Aquila, many arriving in electric cars and all welcomed by Italian host Premier Silvio Berlusconi. Over a long working dinner, they discussed world security issues ranging from Iran to North Korea.

They emerged with a joint statement deploring government-backed violence and media restrictions in the aftermath of Iran's disputed election last month. The condemnation and concern were a far cry from the calls by some for something tougher, such as sanctions against Tehran or other action. In the face of Russian opposition, the Iran issue didn't even rate a statement separate from the other security issues, as had been expected.

Nonetheless, the Obama team and other leaders portrayed the statement as a victory in its unanimity. "I think it's a strong statement and it reflects a real sense of urgency," said Williams Burns, Obama's undersecretary of state for political affairs.

Obama also announced at the dinner that he will host a nuclear security summit early next March in Washington. Around two dozen nations are expected to attend, to focus on nuclear terrorism, the black markets trade in nuclear materials and the detection and interception of materials in transit, said Obama adviser Mark Lippert.

The abrupt return home from Italy of Chinese President Hu Jintao after ethnic tensions soared in China's western Xingjiang territory could weaken trust-building discussions on making further progress on climate change. He did leave a national delegation behind.

China is among five developing market economies _ along with Brazil, India, Mexico and South Africa _ that are participating in the summit for the fifth straight year, joining the talks on Thursday to discuss aid and development. Also joining are nine African nations.

The summit is also including a discussion of ways to expand the G-8 even further amid growing sentiment that the world's most-industrialized nations can no longer claim leadership on the global political and economic agenda.

The G-8 document also calls for a rapid conclusion to the stalled Doha round of trade talks, but it doesn't set a deadline. That will be up for discussion on Thursday.

The group's statement on the world economy calls for an "enhanced global framework for financial regulation" to help prevent future economic crises, but it fails to make any concrete proposals. Leaders say they will address issues such as executive pay, definition of capital, risk management and the regulation of hedge funds and credit rating agencies.

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Associated Press writers Alessandra Rizzo, Ben Feller, Colleen Barry and Emma Vandore in L'Aquila, and Dina Cappiello in Washington contributed to this report.

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- abouttime I'm a Fan of abouttime 21 fans permalink

G8?

Do these counries represent all countries and all people?
Or just their own Corporate Controllers?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 07/08/2009

It's an international dog and pony show thats all!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 07/08/2009
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world leaders and... strippers! Don't forget Berlusconi's strippers!

It's a win-win. I'm sure they'll get plenty of "dialogue" there.

{^.*}

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 07/08/2009
- Bitsko I'm a Fan of Bitsko 502 fans permalink
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Anyone else remember Dubya trying to speak to Berlusconi at the G-8 summit in 2008 in Spanish? "Amigo! Amigo!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 07/08/2009
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todo el mundo...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 07/08/2009
- Bitsko I'm a Fan of Bitsko 502 fans permalink
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somos los hijos...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 07/08/2009

Yea! Lets think back to that in that way we will get nothing done.GO LIBS!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 07/08/2009
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Every now and then, just to keep myself grounded in realism of how good I've got it, I force feed myself the image of the other two having won in November and imagine the following at the G-8 Summitt:

-Berlosconi having to explain to V.P. Palin that the Italy wasn't cut like a boot in honor of the American cowboy and Italy's national dish wasn't named after Domino's Pizza

-Merkel having to show the V.P. current pictures of Berlin to show her that, despite her objections, the -wall is no longer there

-Brazil leader having to tell the V.P. that Portugal is NOT the capitol of Brazil

-Putin insisting to the VP that, contrastly, he cannot see Wasilla from Moscow no matter how often he rears his u*gly head

-China's leader having to tell the VP that China's wall is not for the purpose of separating East and West China

-Sarkozy having to insist to the V.P. that is wasn't he who produced "Nalin Palin"

and

-Great Britain having telling the VP that English was not named after tea...that it was the other way around

on the other hand, the VP was able to enlighten each leader on everything they wanted to know about price slashing at Wal-Mart

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 07/08/2009
- Bitsko I'm a Fan of Bitsko 502 fans permalink
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ROFL! Thanks,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 07/08/2009
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LOL...Love to boot comment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 07/08/2009
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I will always look to the left....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 07/08/2009
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getting a fan from you is an honor. Backatcha

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 07/08/2009
- Strega I'm a Fan of Strega 364 fans permalink
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yu r the BEST! LOL -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 07/08/2009
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Thanks LtoL for the great LOL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 07/08/2009
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Anyway, sorry if I helped pull the thread off topic, but now maybe you'll understand why some of the redstates voters h@te President Obama so much.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 07/08/2009
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anytime D...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 07/08/2009
- Strega I'm a Fan of Strega 364 fans permalink
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Don't apologize - i think race relations is always an important topic & so sad that in the 21st century racism is alive & well, not only in whites, but please also note how lighter skinned "blacks" treat dark skinned blacks, e.g. Sudan - and in this country as well -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 07/08/2009
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Point well taken, I agree. Seems also that some of the red state voter angst may be due to the fact that our President is bi-racial.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 07/08/2009
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You cannot really talk about President Obama without talking about r@ce because every argument the GOP makes is a racially coded one.

We will continue to talk about race because race will continue to be relevant.

Those teabagging parties? About race. Palin? About race. Date night? Race. Mustard? Race. Flag pins? Race. Muslim? Race. Elitist? Race. Impatience that all problems are not resolved immediately? Race.

When all is said and done, it is all about race.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 07/08/2009
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Yes, its all used to cover up the real issue, that he's black.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 07/08/2009
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 233 fans permalink
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They scru_bbed my reply to you. Oh well, it was not earth-shattering...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 07/08/2009
- peacekitten I'm a Fan of peacekitten 575 fans permalink
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please insert my cens0red reply to you here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 07/08/2009
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dayyyyyyyy­yyyyyyyyyy­yum, and i, agree...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 07/08/2009
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Did I say something you disagree with?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 07/08/2009

Man, wrong again don't you people get tired of that.They don't like his policies not that anyone here would understand what a policy is!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 07/08/2009
- burt2009 I'm a Fan of burt2009 16 fans permalink

After being spanked by Putin, Obama's global warming agenda is being snubbed as many countries are running away from the Kyota treaty to save their economies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 07/08/2009
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cool, metalhealth webcam....even without the pic, it's ....wha.ck. later , when me.ds are dispensed, omg. apeSh*t, this one....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 07/08/2009
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The US was never a party to the Kyoto treaty.

But if you believe in global warming and a need for a solution, why would this make you happy.

Each country has to take the steps needed to save its economy. In the US, we are multitasking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 07/08/2009
- peacekitten I'm a Fan of peacekitten 575 fans permalink
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the kyoto treaty was very flawed.

much tougher protections need to be put in place, especially for developing nations like india and china.

the world must shift to green energy sources together, not piecemeal. otherwise, developing countries will be exploited beyond reason, and we will all go down together. growing a new industry of environmental cleanup and energy resources will be a win-win all the way around.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 07/08/2009

Thats right the admin is multitasking they can scr ew up more than one thing at a time!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 07/08/2009
- Strega I'm a Fan of Strega 364 fans permalink
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do u even bother to obtain any knowledge on any subject, or just keep sprouting nonsense?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 07/08/2009
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that's just wrong, but heck of a screen saver for haloween....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 07/08/2009
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 233 fans permalink
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Could you name some please?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 07/08/2009
- Bitsko I'm a Fan of Bitsko 502 fans permalink
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The Great Wall of China was built as much to keep people in as to keep them out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 07/08/2009
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earliest evidence of FTD...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 07/08/2009
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 233 fans permalink
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OT, kind of.

I am glad I came back to hp. I was away for so long partly because of studies and other things and partly from frustration and even disillusionment.

Despite the e_vil tr0lls and the occasional infi_ghting, despite the misleading, sometimes downright dishonest, hp headlines and the pl@gue that is the w0rd fil_ter, and even despite Sammy the Scru_bber ('Sammy the Scru_bber' isn't any one particular m0d, I use it as a blanket term to refer to any and every scru_bber-m0d there is or even all of them together), I learn things here from reading the articles and the posts especially.

Plus I get to air my wet-behind-the-ears political views, and views on all kinds of things, on a site that has some pretty big thinkers.

Thanks.

Carry on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 07/08/2009
- ChiGuy I'm a Fan of ChiGuy 324 fans permalink
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Great to have you back, abby!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 07/08/2009
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 233 fans permalink
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Thanks, chi. Btw, and OT again, what do you make of the 'North Korea cyber att@ck' article? If it's true, God help us (especially if it's China pulling the strings...).

:[

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 07/08/2009
- peacekitten I'm a Fan of peacekitten 575 fans permalink
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i'm glad you're back too.

; )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 07/08/2009
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 233 fans permalink
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And I am glad you are still here, lass. Any time now I am going to check my eml....

:]

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 07/08/2009
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study requires frustration and dilillusio­nment...wa­it, is that marriage....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 07/08/2009
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 233 fans permalink
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LOL !!! Stop it...wait, don't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 07/08/2009
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As to the G-8. The President is representing the US well all around the world, trying to solve the problems that Bush left, i.e., a decimated world economy built upon a US recession that started in December 2007.

But instead of hoping for progress and success, Repubes wish the Prez fails. And when that doesn't work, they talk r@ce.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 07/08/2009
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Or they head to Jesus Camp.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 07/08/2009
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and , quiting, they do that too and also there....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 07/08/2009
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 233 fans permalink
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The Palin Principle...or is it Syndrome?

Factor?


Pl@gue?


Whatever it is, I could do without it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 07/08/2009
- Bitsko I'm a Fan of Bitsko 502 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 07/08/2009
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LOL...Thats pretty well right on target.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 07/08/2009
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Sad, but based on past behavior there is some truth to it. What is missing? War.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 07/08/2009
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definetly scientific...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 07/08/2009
- ShawnHanks I'm a Fan of ShawnHanks 143 fans permalink
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A tidbit from GOPdonellis

In TN, AL, MS they don't try to pretty it up, they just go straight to the "N" word.

And I suppose that does not happen in the Bronx,Queens, Brooklyn, South Boston, Providence, Cranston, New Haven, etc>?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 07/08/2009
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It does.

Your point?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 07/08/2009
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See you misunderstand, the only r@cism that exist here is Black/White. They could care less about any other minority.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 07/08/2009
- Strega I'm a Fan of Strega 364 fans permalink
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yes, they lump us all under the same category

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 07/08/2009
- Strega I'm a Fan of Strega 364 fans permalink
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indeed it does, but there's more people of color in those places so they don't say it as loud or as often

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 07/08/2009
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ease on down to the bronx and inquire....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 07/08/2009
- Bitsko I'm a Fan of Bitsko 502 fans permalink
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Just eat your yellow cake

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 07/08/2009
- cbates I'm a Fan of cbates 36 fans permalink
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The IMF seems to think the world economy is growing. Let us hope that is the case. The Government has done all it can by dumping money into a host of things that are suppose to increase employment and spending. For the life of me I don't understand why folks are not investing in products and services. Money is only good if you spend it. It doesn't do anything while in your pocket. I think the working person gets that part of this system we work and live and the rich don't necessarily get it because the are afraid of going broke. We need to recognize that we are all slaves to this industrial system and it will be hard to become self sufficient wherein you grow your own food, make your clothes and walk to your destinations. Buy, Buy, Buy or shop until you drop.
The Chinese needs to stop propping up their currency in an effort to say their economy is better than our economy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 07/08/2009
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Don't trust the IMF so much, my friend... it was corrupted beyond recognition by the corporatists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 07/08/2009
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 233 fans permalink
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I agree. And as for what they are calling over the 'little green shoots', i.e. the first promise of recovery, many think this is exaggerated. As I've said, several economists across Europe and in the UK too say that we in the UK are headed for the dre@ded 'double dip recession'.

Not other countries, just us.

Shoving this prediction aside as if it's meaningless, Gordon Brown once again struts across the world stage playing economic me_ssiah...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 07/08/2009
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 233 fans permalink
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I agree. And as for what they are calling over the 'little green sh00ts', i.e. the first promise of recovery, many think this is exaggerated. As I've said, several economists across Europe and in the UK too say that we in the UK are headed for the dre@ded 'double dip recession'.

Not other countries, just us.

Shoving this prediction aside as if it's meaningless, Gordon Brown once again struts across the world stage playing economic me_ssiah...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 07/08/2009
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Shawn and Social Darwin:

Tell us, if r@cism doesn't exist within groups with white skin, then why does the concept of Aryan superiority, Nordic superiority, and so on exist--and why does it continue to find large appeal and support?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 07/08/2009
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INCREASING support....

Hate groups haven't risen to these levels since the Reconsruction.

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 07/08/2009

Please they are ha te groups that are supported by a minescule amount of people.Don't give them free publicity here!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 07/08/2009
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I'm talking about the concept of superiority and how that plays itself out within groups of people of European heritage. But your point is well taken, thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 07/08/2009
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Not so.... this is a HUGE problem & it's growing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 07/08/2009
- ShawnHanks I'm a Fan of ShawnHanks 143 fans permalink
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It always always be with us. Just a very sad fact of life. But it seems too many here want to paint conservatives with a very broad r@cist brush. Guess that makes it easier to demean your opponent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 07/08/2009
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Only the ones in the redstates....:o)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 07/08/2009
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Sorry... but your "southern strategy" is incontrovertible.

Your party uses r@cism as a weapon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 07/08/2009
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birth certificate ?....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 07/08/2009
- ShawnHanks I'm a Fan of ShawnHanks 143 fans permalink
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I'll bet that most liberals never understood the significance of the All in The Family episode where Archie Bunker and George Jefferson's brother in law were stranded in a broken elevator with the Puerto Rican couple, whom they both decided to denigrate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 07/08/2009
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Tell us, oh sage.. what is the significance as it applies to the G8 summit?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 07/08/2009
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ur an (alyssa ) milano fan, is that it....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 07/08/2009
- ChiGuy I'm a Fan of ChiGuy 324 fans permalink
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And you apparently don't understand deflection.
Trying to mitigate your own issues with r@ce by saying, "But they do it too!" is classic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 07/08/2009
- Bitsko I'm a Fan of Bitsko 502 fans permalink
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You do know the guys who made that show were raging liberals, don't you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 07/08/2009
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he's a closet meathead...:)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 07/08/2009
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 233 fans permalink
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Just speaking for myself, you are right, and I don't think I WANT to understand it...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 07/08/2009
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spot on...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 07/08/2009
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You can argue politics in a redstate all day..and in the end they always resort to the "N" word.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 07/08/2009
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F,ing...forgot that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 07/08/2009
- ladynaga I'm a Fan of ladynaga 530 fans permalink
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Nice?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 07/08/2009
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Well, fancy meeting you here at this hour! Good day, m'lady!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 07/08/2009
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Yep.

..or Da Joooooooooooooooz

All one has to do is GOAD them enough & it comes right out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 07/08/2009
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Oh you don't have to goad them much, that word just naturally rolls right out of their mouths. Don't hear much about the jooooooooooz down here though, i think thats more of a northern thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 07/08/2009
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Sort of like Tourrettes?

LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 07/08/2009
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No unfortunately its used in everyday language.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 07/08/2009
- Bitsko I'm a Fan of Bitsko 502 fans permalink
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"Darkie" is still popular in the south.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 07/08/2009
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In TN, AL, MS they don't try to pretty it up, they just go straight to the "N" word.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 07/08/2009
- Mogamboguru I'm a Fan of Mogamboguru 317 fans permalink
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I am off for a meeting of my leftist-librul political party "Die Linke" In Germany.

See you later, folks!

"Non pasaran!" ;-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 07/08/2009
- Bitsko I'm a Fan of Bitsko 502 fans permalink
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Bis später!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 07/08/2009
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Später ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 07/08/2009
- peacekitten I'm a Fan of peacekitten 575 fans permalink
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later, my hairy friend.....

; )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 07/08/2009
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