Senators Buck Obama, Urge Progressives To Keep Targeting Dems On Health Care

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First Posted: 07- 8-09 10:59 AM   |   Updated: 08- 8-09 05:12 AM

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Two Senators said on Tuesday that they disagreed with President Obama's backchannel complaints that progressive advocacy groups ought to stop targeting Democrats on health care.

Senator Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), who has been a target of the ads himself, said he was perfectly fine with progressive organizations airing television spots critical of him in his own state.

"Folks are using that wonderful First Amendment to be heard," said the Oregon Democrat, whose refusal to commit to voting for a public health insurance option has caused great frustration among health care reform advocates.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), whose progressive tilt has made him a champion of many such activists, was much harsher. Asked about Obama's remarks, in which the president reportedly bemoaned the ads run by a variety of left-leaning organizations, Sanders whacked the president for trying to stifle the same groups that got him elected.

"My own view is that constitution of this country provides the right of the people to get actively involved in the political process and express their point of view," the Senator told the Huffington Post. "Barack Obama would not have been elected as president of the United States without the active support of many of those people.

"I hear from people every single day who are very upset that single payer has not been given a real hearing or a real open acceptance in terms of at least being part of the debate," Sanders added. "So there's that reality. But to suggest that the people who helped elect Barack Obama, the strong grassroots activists who are fighting for working people and fighting for the environment should not be actively involved in this process, in demanding that at the very least every United States Senator in the Democratic Caucus agree to stop a Republican filibuster, I think if that message is coming from the White House it's an unfortunate message. It's a wrong message. We should encourage people to participate in the process."

The Washington Post was first to report that Obama was sour on the ad campaigns being run against moderate Democrats by groups like MoveOn, Democracy for America, and the Progressive Change Campaign Committee.

"We shouldn't be focusing resources on each other," the president reportedly said on a call to six top Democrats in the House and Senate. "We ought to be focused on winning this debate."

In the subsequent days, representatives from several of the organizations involved pledged to keep targeting Dems, regardless of the president's wishes. MoveOn, on Tuesday, urged its members to call the White House to register their disagreement with Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel's favorable comments about a public option with a trigger.

There are, of course, multiple layers to the debate over the role progressive advocacy groups play in regards to ensuring Democratic unity on health care. Publicly, no member of Congress will back the president's sentiments, lest they give the impression of being too sensitive for public office. But in private, the White House undoubtedly gains some favor for trying to deflect the heat off.

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Two Senators said on Tuesday that they disagreed with President Obama's backchannel complaints that progressive advocacy groups ought to stop targeting Democrats on health care. Senator Ron Wyden (D...
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- cosmic I'm a Fan of cosmic 6 fans permalink

IMHO, Obama Admin is playing this right. The whole thing is a foil, and it's a usual trick out of them. They take centrist positions, to try to act as broker over as broad a coalition as possible. Obama doesn't have much to fear from loss of Progressive support in coming elections - he's the most progressive candidate we've got. therefore he's willing to spend capital to incite the activist crowd, drawing attention to issues, and then use ensuing leverage to play good co bad cop with legislators.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 07/09/2009
- hhayden I'm a Fan of hhayden 67 fans permalink

Sure, why should he resort to honesty and integrety?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 07/09/2009
- ElsaIndy I'm a Fan of ElsaIndy 15 fans permalink

The problem is not with the Democrats, left or moderate or the Republicans but with Obama himself. Obama has shown no leadership. He needs to come back from Europe and lead the an effort to reform healthcare. without leadership the factions in Congress are bickering and will accomplish nothing. I think Obama needs to show some leadership and enunciate his principles on healthcare reform and then make policy based on his principles with the help of Congress. But to just leave it up to Congress is all wrong.

This president is rapidly losing support. Independents and Republicans who voted for him, moderates and others are becoming disenchanted with his failure to lead and his lazy acceptance of sloppy bills rather than forging consensus and making real progress.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 07/09/2009
- jwredd I'm a Fan of jwredd 40 fans permalink

You say this, and I completely understand where you are coming from, but there are stats showing that Obama so far has (one of?) the highest success rates among presidents getting what they want passed by congress. It's definitely not pretty watching this go down but I'm not going to be surprised when in the end Obama gets what he wants out of this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 07/09/2009
- hhayden I'm a Fan of hhayden 67 fans permalink

He may very well get his way, but how many things has he been successful in pushing through so far becides the miss named stimulous bill?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 07/09/2009
- hhayden I'm a Fan of hhayden 67 fans permalink

Very well put, and if true, I hope he continues to swan about overseas for the forseeable future.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 07/09/2009
- PaxEterna I'm a Fan of PaxEterna 53 fans permalink

Our President, who promised many things for the people during his campaign, has rudely taken SINGLE PAYER off the table, BEFORE the discussion even began.

He is not providing any leadership on this critical issue, but instead is trying to call the shots and frame the debate through clever rhetoric that is NOT supported by the facts and the policies he is implementing.

Read yesterday's NYT for a fuller explanation of how his latest victories are really trade-offs with the corporate elites. What they appear to be giving away today will be more than made up for on the back-end of these deals tomorrow.

I predict he will be one-term if he cows to the lobbies and the corporates on this issue. No other issue reveals his hypocrisy more than this one, and that would be that he is not really one of us, but one of them..

Whatever happened to his criticism of the lobbyists? The DC insiders?

Whatever happened to his pledge to roll back the tax cuts for the wealthy?

Whatever happened to his proposals for education, green jobs, etc.to restore the middle class way of life to the middle class?

His tune has totally changed since he was elected, and in my humble opinion, he is now Not to be trusted..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 07/09/2009
- hhayden I'm a Fan of hhayden 67 fans permalink

Perhaps that is because he has never been a leader but a spokes person pushing some new initative on an almost daily basis.

Have you forgotten that he held big closed to the media partys for lobyists and special intrests groups during his convention? He's taken their money and he ows them just like about any other person in Washington.

Thanks for joining we who thought he was not to be trusted all along.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 07/09/2009
- Henk I'm a Fan of Henk 18 fans permalink
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moderate Democrats = Right Leaning Conservative Democrats. Let's start calling these folks what they really are. To call them moderate is to imply that the country is Right Leaning, which is in turn accepting wing-nut framing. The country is not Right Leaning, it leans Left. Look at the public option in health care, 76% support it. The moderate position would be to support it as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 AM on 07/09/2009
- hhayden I'm a Fan of hhayden 67 fans permalink

76%? Yesterday it was 72%. Please get your made up numbers straight you guys.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 07/09/2009
- Jeany I'm a Fan of Jeany 12 fans permalink

Multiple polls have returned results over 70%; one came back at 72% and another at 76%.

In one poll, self-identified Dems supported in excess of 90%; in that same poll, more than 50% of Reps also supported inclusion of a public option.

Gallup - USA Today

CBS

Washington Post

It's astonishing, but the choice polls a little stronger with every poll, the upward trend is remarkable, in spite of the best efforts of corporate shills to scare the puddin' out of us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 07/09/2009
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I mean to say, "I suggest"...

sorry, got a terrible case of insomia tonight...but yet im sleepy...how that works is beyond me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 AM on 07/09/2009
- Jeany I'm a Fan of Jeany 12 fans permalink

it's called menopause. :D

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 07/09/2009
- super I'm a Fan of super 13 fans permalink
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You go, Bernie!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 PM on 07/08/2009
- hhayden I'm a Fan of hhayden 67 fans permalink

A democrat with a mind of his own and one who champions free speach and dialog from all sides. I hope that catches on. The things this government are engaging in are so big and far reaching they should bo open to all kinds of inspection. If Obama fears this there is something seriously wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 AM on 07/09/2009
- Compgeek I'm a Fan of Compgeek 8 fans permalink

He is not a domoctact, but an Independent, but he belongs to the Democratic Socialist Party in Vermont.
Bernie is the man! I would trade him with Diane Feinstein (my Senator in CA) any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 AM on 07/09/2009
- jwredd I'm a Fan of jwredd 40 fans permalink

Republicans champion free speech and dialog from all sides? Do they do this while voting in total lockstep? Spector and Snowe got eaten by their own for voting across party lines.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 07/09/2009
- StellaRay I'm a Fan of StellaRay 208 fans permalink

People, it is clear they are very, very scared.

By "they" I mean the health care for profit industry. Why, just today Biden announced this industry somehow, miraculously, found millions of dollars in cuts they could make. Gee---anyone besides me feeling like they've been hosed all these years before the health care industry was threatened?

Don't listen to Obama on this one folks. Hit your senators, reps, mayors and governors daily. Let them know nothing less than a public option will do.

We've let a lot roll off our shoulders, issues of don't ask, don't tell, the defense of marriage act and on and on. But Health care ain't gonna roll off our shoulders.

Send an e-mail to gov.change today. Tell them Obama needs to sharpen his elbows.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 07/08/2009

NOT SCARED ENOUGH!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 07/09/2009
- hhayden I'm a Fan of hhayden 67 fans permalink

Great. And I hope the rest of us will contact them too about our concerns.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 AM on 07/09/2009
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The administrative overhead costs for private health insurance is 40%-60%. The administrative overhead costs for Medicaid is less than 3%. Which is more efficient, the private sector or the public sector?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 07/08/2009
- StellaRay I'm a Fan of StellaRay 208 fans permalink

Wow. Thanks for the stats Edward. They are indeed eye opening, or at least should be for those who persist to believe that the free market does everything better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 07/08/2009
- hhayden I'm a Fan of hhayden 67 fans permalink

I say the numbers are 20% for the private sector and 75% for medicade - see you can make them up either way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 07/09/2009
- dandypuddin I'm a Fan of dandypuddin 167 fans permalink
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Actually, for profit costs are more like 31%.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 07/08/2009
- nylibgrrl I'm a Fan of nylibgrrl 21 fans permalink
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Still a significant difference from 3%.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 AM on 07/09/2009
- hhayden I'm a Fan of hhayden 67 fans permalink

Where did you get those numbers? And why is medicade on the brink of collapse? What about Medicare?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 AM on 07/09/2009
- moongal6 I'm a Fan of moongal6 67 fans permalink
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Please go to:

www.pnhp.org

HR676

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 AM on 07/09/2009
- phathalo I'm a Fan of phathalo 2 fans permalink

The original story about Obama suggesting that Obama was asking progressive critics back off -- was another one of those rumor based stories based on an anonymous source. Got to take those stories (especially when accompanied by sensationalist headlines) with a grain of salt

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 07/08/2009
- hhayden I'm a Fan of hhayden 67 fans permalink

But rumour based stories about conservatives are still ok?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 07/09/2009
- baxtron I'm a Fan of baxtron 7 fans permalink

only the rumors about Sadamm Huessien ordering yellow cake uranium from Nigeria. that's ok.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 07/09/2009
- windup I'm a Fan of windup 20 fans permalink

I haven't been able to leave a message on the White House comment line. Tried many times and always get the message that everyone is busy and just hold on or call back. It's a RECORDED line for Christ sake. Why do we even need anyone to answer?? I love the text on the whitehouse.org page that claims that this is the most open and accessible administration ever. Except that you can't even leave a recorded message. They just don't seem to want to hear that you want a SINGLE PAYER system. And that's why you voted for them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 07/08/2009
- Solja I'm a Fan of Solja 104 fans permalink
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It's not whitehouse.org The White House website is: http://whitehouse.gov

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 07/08/2009
- hhayden I'm a Fan of hhayden 67 fans permalink

Or that we don't want another government take over and that's why we didn't vote for him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 AM on 07/09/2009
- jwredd I'm a Fan of jwredd 40 fans permalink

Don't worry, you'll get to throw your vote away on Palin in a few more years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 AM on 07/09/2009
- baxtron I'm a Fan of baxtron 7 fans permalink

it's not a gov't takeover.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 07/09/2009
- nylibgrrl I'm a Fan of nylibgrrl 21 fans permalink
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Because they probably still only have a relatively limited number of rollover lines assigned to them by the phone company and if you have thousands of people calling every day, then yes--your lines will get tied up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 AM on 07/09/2009
- hhayden I'm a Fan of hhayden 67 fans permalink

Maybe its the North Koreans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 AM on 07/09/2009

Looooove Bernie. He's the only Senator not looking out for himself or a lobbyist; the only guy who is true blue and looking out for the people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 07/08/2009
- marijam I'm a Fan of marijam 36 fans permalink
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72% want a public option. BHO won because of this issue. People crossed over to vote for him, because of this issue. We will not accept a business give away without a public option. We will get what we want, or a lot of politicians will be out of jobs next election cycle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 07/08/2009
- hhayden I'm a Fan of hhayden 67 fans permalink

72% of the Obamatrons? If it's the public in general why are they running scared. They have the congress wrapped up. Boy, I hope you don't get what you want that being the case.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 AM on 07/09/2009
- baxtron I'm a Fan of baxtron 7 fans permalink

no one is running scared. let your butt cheeks release your head now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 07/09/2009
- StellaRay I'm a Fan of StellaRay 208 fans permalink

Bernie Sanders is an amazing senator. Smart, incredibly well informed and as tough and committed as they come. For those not familiar with him he's on Tom Hartmann's show almost every Friday. Tom is spectacularly smart as well and the both of them together are the best progressive radio out there.

Can't tell you how many times I've silenced arguments with facts I've learned from both these men.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 07/08/2009
- jwredd I'm a Fan of jwredd 40 fans permalink

You will NEVER hear a sitting politician be as brutally honest about ANY subject that callers bring up as Bernie is most every friday on that show or anywhere else he speaks for that matter. He's the best!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 PM on 07/08/2009
- StellaRay I'm a Fan of StellaRay 208 fans permalink

Amen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 PM on 07/08/2009
- hhayden I'm a Fan of hhayden 67 fans permalink

He sounds like he is coming down on the right side of this. Are the people who refuse that Obama said what he said calling him a lier?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 AM on 07/09/2009
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I listen to Thom everyday on the way to work.
I challenge anybody to find a more informed talk show host!
The man is as smart as they come and it's great that Sen. Sanders takes the time to address callers on his show every Friday.
We need more people like these two.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 07/08/2009
- hhayden I'm a Fan of hhayden 67 fans permalink

Because the number is so low?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 AM on 07/09/2009
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 605 fans permalink
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During the President's first 'online townhall', the liberal-hippies were shutout of the economic roundtable, the same way single-payer advocates were were shutout of the healthcare roundtable. Same with war supplemental, credit-card reform, and foreclosure bills. A pattern of kicking liberal-pr­ogressives to the curb is developing, and may not bode well for the democratic party, in the future. I think the President needs more chairs, and less lobbyists and politicians at the table, or we need to burn the 'table' and make them all stand up......,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 07/08/2009
- StellaRay I'm a Fan of StellaRay 208 fans permalink

Yes. I am amazed at the lack of respect coming from the Obama administration to the progressive wing of their party. It's a mystery to me as to why these guys have done such a poor PR job on this front---you'd think they'd at least ACT like they were interested and maybe a bit thankful for the activist wing of their party that canvassed their brains out for Obama and democrat reps in both houses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 07/08/2009
- marijam I'm a Fan of marijam 36 fans permalink
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Once more, with lots of feeling. It isn't just the progressive wing of the Democratic party. I'm not a progressive. I don't agree with a lot that they want. But I am definitely for single payer. A lot of other non-progressives are as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 PM on 07/08/2009
- hhayden I'm a Fan of hhayden 67 fans permalink

I think that the word "progressive' is a typical left wing misnomer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 AM on 07/09/2009

Hear, hear! The way things are being portrayed in the MSM, you'd think that the two ends of the political spectrum are represented by Rush Limbaugh on the right and Barack Obama on the left. The reality is that there are millions of Progressives to the left of the President, and their concerns aren't being represented, either in the media or in Congress.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 07/08/2009
- hhayden I'm a Fan of hhayden 67 fans permalink

I didn't think there was any room to the left of Obama. That must be a tight squssze.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 AM on 07/09/2009
- PaxEterna I'm a Fan of PaxEterna 53 fans permalink

Time to March on Washington yet again.

SINGLE PAYER, and thank you, Senator Sanders, for putting this issue/option fair and squarely ON THE TABLE that our President so rudely tossed off.

We will be there, and we will demand what we, the taxpayers, deserve.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 07/08/2009
- TeeLolly I'm a Fan of TeeLolly 42 fans permalink

Harold Meyerson of the Washington Post suggests that we may not get a strong public option because there is no mass movement insisting on it:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/07/AR2009070702340.html

Meyerson applauded progressives' opposition to the conservadems, but apparently was unaware that Obama has discouraged Dems' targeting of other Dems on healthcare. In light of Rahm's alleged ambivalence toward a public option, Obama's failure to mobilize the millions of activists on the list he compiled and used in his run for the presidency, and Obama's discouragement of Dems expressing their displeasure with the conservadems, perhaps it's time for an independent "mass movement" to ensure that we aren't stuck with some "bipartisan" compromise that only looks forward and fails to include a strong public option to end private insurers' history of ripping everyone off ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 07/08/2009
- Chernynkaya I'm a Fan of Chernynkaya 475 fans permalink
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Good post. Many Obama supporters (for the record, I voted for him) believe- or hope- that he is a master chess player, that he is the ultimate community organizer, and that all of his inscrutable signals about public option are only gamesmanship.

But in the end, actions speak louder than words- or should I say INACTIONS. The fact that he chastised progressives for picking on Blue dogs, and that he DID NOT mobilize his activists speaks volumes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 07/08/2009
- hhayden I'm a Fan of hhayden 67 fans permalink

Like fiscal responsability - don't hold your breath.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 AM on 07/09/2009
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