Geithner: Stimulus Working, Derivatives Blindsided Government

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ANNE FLAHERTY and JIM KUHNHENN | 07/10/09 04:57 PM | AP

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FILE -- In this June 18, 2009 file photo, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner testifies on Capitol Hill in Washington before the Senate Banking Committee. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh)

WASHINGTON — Despite persistently high unemployment, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said Friday the Obama administration's economic stimulus plan is on the "expected path."

"There's been substantial improvements in arresting what was the worst recession globally we've seen in generations," Geithner told lawmakers Friday.

Geithner's remarks came amid waning public support for President Barack Obama's economic policies. Republican critics say the rising unemployment rate is proof that the $787 billion stimulus has not helped reverse the effects of the recession.

"I was just wondering, where do you think your plan went wrong?" asked Rep. Bill Posey, R-Fla.

About 2 million jobs have been lost since Congress passed Obama's stimulus package in February. Unemployment now stands at 9.5 percent, the highest in 26 years. Some Obama allies have been calling for Congress to pass a second stimulus package.

Geithner said the rate of decline in the economy has slowed, consumer confidence has improved, the financial system is healing, and concern about a financial meltdown has receded.

"Those are critically important signs of initial progress," Geithner said.

Geithner said joblessness is an inescapable element of a recession and that unemployment continues to rise even as an economy begins to improve. Without the stimulus, he said, more jobs would be lost.

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Rep. Michael Rogers, R-Ala., challenged Geithner's assertion that business and consumer confidence was improving.

"People are scared to death," he said.

Geithner countered that the recession was a long time in the making and that recovery will take time as well.

"We do not yet have an economy that's growing again," he said, "and I think it is likely it will take a while to grow out of."

Geithner's defense, before a joint hearing of the House financial services and agriculture committees, came in the midst of his call for greater government control over the generally unregulated but complex derivatives market, which he said contributed to the financial crisis.

"Establishing a comprehensive framework of oversight is crucial," Geithner said in his opening remarks to a joint hearing by the House agriculture and financial services committees.

Despite apprehension among Republicans, the effort to add government restrictions to these more freewheeling financial instruments has support within the Democratic-controlled Congress.

Indeed, Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank is planning derivatives provisions that that are even stricter than what the administration is proposing.

Derivatives are financial instruments whose value derives from something else, such as a mortgage-backed security or a commodity like oil. The allure of the over-the-counter derivative, as opposed to those swapped on exchanges, is that it can be individually negotiated and tailored to meet the specific needs of the buyer.

Under the administration's plan, so-called standardized derivative contracts would be traded on regulated exchanges or trading platforms. Dealers would be regulated, and participants would have to meet capital requirements to prevent over-leveraging. Banks and other parties would still be allowed to enter into customized contracts outside regulated exchanges, under the Obama plan, but the transactions would have to meet more reporting requirements.

Frank, in an interview with MSNBC after the hearing, said he would further limit the ability of businesses to enter into individualized derivative contracts.

"We will specifically be requiring that in almost every case derivatives go on an exchange ... or a clearinghouse, that there not be these individualized deals," he said. "And if people are going to make individualized deals, they're going to have to have a lot more capital behind it. "

Frank also said he would call for a ban on so-called naked credit default swaps, a type of derivative where buyers have no risk of exposure.

Some Democrats have called for fewer customized derivatives contracts and a few have urged that some derivatives, such as credit default swaps, be banned.

The administration's proposal, part of a broader overhaul package, has opposition from much of the financial industry, which says it would raise costs and squash innovation. The industry insists any legislation be flexible enough to permit businesses to tailor contracts to meet their specific needs and not standardize all derivative contracts.

Lawmakers have also questioned Obama's proposal to give more power to the Federal Reserve.

On Friday, 17 members of the House Financial Services Committee, including three Democrats, sent Obama a letter asking him not to expand the Fed's authority until it is known whether Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke pressured Bank of America Corp. to acquire Merrill Lynch.

WASHINGTON — Despite persistently high unemployment, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said Friday the Obama administration's economic stimulus plan is on the "expected path." "There's been s...
WASHINGTON — Despite persistently high unemployment, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said Friday the Obama administration's economic stimulus plan is on the "expected path." "There's been s...
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- Sundialsvc4 I'm a Fan of Sundialsvc4 138 fans permalink

It's called "securities fraud," gentlemen.

And oh yes, "bribery."

Article 2, Section 4 of our constitution lists only two "high crimes" by name: treason, and bribery. Did you ever wonder why? I think it's because both of these egregious crimes can betray an entire country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 07/13/2009
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How can derivatives blind side gov when they did everything they could to allow them with little regulation?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 07/13/2009
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While I have trusted Frank in the past, his saying, "We will specifically be requiring that in almost every case derivatives go on an exchange ... or a clearinghouse'" plays right into the hands of the ICE TRUST who will then have a MONOPOLY POSITION on Derivatives trading! [Google ICE Trust to learn more]!

While this is of grave concern in itself, the ICE Trust is only the largest banks in the world that own 67% of the Federal Reserve System and therefore control the currency and this will give them derivatives market with is clearly a MONOPOLY and counter to FREE and FAIR Markets.

Of course, Glass-Steagall would prevent this kind of a monopoly position, but of course, the Banks control of the FED is an anti-trust issue as well along with many other issues regarding the FED!

We are getting it NOW from Barnie and he is sharp, so I hope he does more to prevent this and Credit Default Swaps that A1G offered as gifts to the BANKS (Still can NOT fully figure that one out but think it was to allow the Banks and Hedge Funds to remove risk from there investing and pile up $700 Trillion in Toxic Garbage that imploded)!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 07/12/2009
- loki I'm a Fan of loki 125 fans permalink
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What>? Mr. Insider , Best man of the Job, Wall Street Ivy Greed educated anti working class anything in the name of big profits Geithner was blindsided by his closest friends and money making buddies?
Say it aint so. Oh it aint. He most likely knew about this and probably encouraged it and profited from it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 07/12/2009
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A Federal Agency in our Government, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, OCC, issues a quarterly Report that has the following info:

1 JPMORGAN C $81 TRILLION in Toxic Derivatives
2 BANK OF AM $78 TRILLION
3 GOLDMAN SA $48 TRILLION
4 MORGAN STA $39 TRILLION
5 CITIGROUP $32 TRILLION
6 WELLS FARG $5 TRILLION
7 HSBC NORTH $3.4 TRILLION
8 TAUNUS COR $1.2 TRILLION
9 BANK OF NE $1.1 TRILLION
10 STATE STR $600 Billion
11 BARCLAYS $400 Billion

The leader by a large margin per employee is G0LDMAN $47.7 Trillion and that is $1.7 Billion per employee!

Why Geithner who is Head of the Treasury and previously NY FED President did not see that report is a mystery! Or is this like the Tax thing and he simply forgot?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 PM on 07/12/2009

What was Paulson at the Treasury doing about these derivatives? Being a loyal Goldman-Sachs employee, he wasn't going to do ANYTHING to derail the money train Goldman-Sachs was riding.

Does anyone wonder why Goldman-Sachs' biggest rival Lehman Bros was consigned by Paulson to bankruptcy despite the huge risks to the financial system?

Why have all the bailouts and recovery programs ended up benefiting Goldman-Sachs?

Gov't for the BANKSTERS by the BANKSTERS!!!

He who can buy the most votes gets the best results, public good be damned!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 07/12/2009

What was Little Timmy doing at the NY Fed when all these toxic derivatives were proliferating? Congratulating all his buddy's on the fortunes they were making, no doubt.

And wishing he could get in on the deal...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 PM on 07/12/2009

SAVE AMERICA
MAKE DERIVATIVES ILLEGAL
OH WAIT, THE RICH RULERS WONT ALLOW THAT

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 07/12/2009
- oakley9 I'm a Fan of oakley9 20 fans permalink

B.S.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 PM on 07/12/2009
- bascombe I'm a Fan of bascombe 27 fans permalink
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just what we need. another contradiction from Obama's head Goldman moneychangers.

why does summers say the opposite. It's like they still work for boosh.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/10/geithner-stimulus-working_n_229706.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 07/12/2009

Timmy Geithner, boy wonder.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 07/12/2009
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Obama should just pat little Timmy on the head and send him to bed with his favorite teddy bear. Can we please get a qualified person for the job, please, Mr. President?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 07/12/2009

Geithner blindsided Main Street

nuf said

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 07/12/2009
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Yes and so did his Boss!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 07/12/2009
- Rayme I'm a Fan of Rayme 9 fans permalink

Great, we are following the economic advise from some guy making less than $200,000 a year who couldn't see it coming. Get all bureaucrats off the backs of this economy and we may see recovery.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 07/12/2009
- RedneckDem I'm a Fan of RedneckDem 57 fans permalink
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Whatever...
Your dinosaur "free market beats all" approach has never worked and never will. It is the surest path to irrelevancy (aka the bottom) as ever anything was (unless you're part of that 5% who will dictate our future).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 07/12/2009
- SamKnause I'm a Fan of SamKnause 69 fans permalink

The best of the best admitted the government was blindsided. If only he still worked on Wall Street, this would be cause for a huge bonus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 07/12/2009
- desertman I'm a Fan of desertman 13 fans permalink

It is to their benefit not to admit problems. That is the cause of crises.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 07/12/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 148 fans permalink

How did derivatives "blindside" the government when columnists like Molly Ivins was yelling about their potential to devastate our economy as far back as the Clinton Administration? Could it be that bankers have such a powerful inerrant conflict of interest they should NEVER be allowed to decide what gets regulated in the financial world?

So who did the Obama administration put in charge of the Treasury and the Fed?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 07/12/2009
- stuporman I'm a Fan of stuporman 9 fans permalink

in other words, the derivatives were working exactly the way geithner's mentors designed them, and being an ex-goldman guy, he is going to let them get away with it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 07/12/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 148 fans permalink

Pretty much. Another administration claiming "no one saw this coming" when in fact EVERYONE without a vested interest in NOT seeing it saw it coming a mile off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 07/12/2009

Well said

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 07/12/2009
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