Des Moines Dancing Illegal After 2 A.M.

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MICHAEL J. CRUMB | July 13, 2009 11:24 PM EST | AP

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Jerry Peugh and Becky Grayson dance at the Liars Club bar, Friday July 10, 2009 in Des Moines, Iowa. (AP Photo/Steve Pope)

DES MOINES, Iowa — Dancing the night away in Des Moines doesn't seem to be at the top of many must-do lists. Maybe because it's illegal.

An obscure city ordinance outlaws publicly shaking your groove thing in Iowa's biggest city after 2 a.m.

Few even were aware of the ban until members of the nonprofit Des Moines Social Club sought to hold an after-hours dance at their downtown building. They were told no-go on the tango.

"It's a silly law that shouldn't exist and the law shows we aren't keeping up with the times," said Zachary Mannheimer, executive director of the club, which is made up largely of artists.

Officials and boosters in the city of 200,000 who have fought for years to liven up Des Moines' sleepy image agree the ordinance should be repealed. A proposal to do just that was tentatively approved by the City Council on Monday, though a final decision won't come until mid-August.

"It's an antiquated ordinance that doesn't help anybody," said Matt McIver, artistic director of the social club, adding that he was elated with the council's decision.

The ordinance, which dates to at least 1942, bans public dancing between 2 a.m. and 6 a.m. Monday through Saturday. Residents must suppress the urge to Macarena in public until 8 a.m. on Sunday.

Any dance within the city that can be attended by the public, whether or not they're paying, is subject to the rule. Even venues that allow dancing before the wee hours of the morning must pay $200 for an annual license or $75 to host a single event.

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Debate will likely focus on the annual fee during upcoming City Council hearings, as the council must hold two more formal readings of the proposal before the ban can be repealed.

The law apparently was intended to coincide with last call at bars and club, according to Assistant City Manager Chris Johansen, but police said they've rarely enforced it for years.

"The Des Moines police are not against dancing," said Lt. Mike Hoffman, commander of the department's vice and narcotics section.

Dance club owners said they'd welcome the change, but also believe many Iowans are likely to prefer sleep over late-night shimmying.

"I don't think it's going to change much of what I'm doing, but it's something that would create some things that are needed for entertainment and people," said Larry Smithson, owner of The Surf Shack in downtown Des Moines.

Liar's Club owner Jeremy Mahler said he'd have to evaluate the change. "It's something where we would have to weigh our options after it's done," he said.

Susan Ramsey, a spokeswoman for the Greater Des Moines Partnership _ which promotes the city with the slogan "Whatever you do, do more of it in Des Moines" _ said the city's move to repeal the ordinance is "indicative of the metropolitan area we are becoming."

Mannheimer, with the Social Club, called it "a step forward toward Des Moines becoming a 24-hours city.

Still, Des Moines is likely to remain a pretty peaceful place.

"I don't expect there will be an outpouring of events after 2 a.m.," Mannheimer said.

DES MOINES, Iowa — Dancing the night away in Des Moines doesn't seem to be at the top of many must-do lists. Maybe because it's illegal. An obscure city ordinance outlaws publicly shaking your ...
DES MOINES, Iowa — Dancing the night away in Des Moines doesn't seem to be at the top of many must-do lists. Maybe because it's illegal. An obscure city ordinance outlaws publicly shaking your ...
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- Weirdwriter I'm a Fan of Weirdwriter 332 fans permalink
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I spent a few summer months in Des Moines. I'm surprised ANYTHING is open after 10 p.m.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 AM on 07/15/2009
- lmvd3 I'm a Fan of lmvd3 18 fans permalink

And it probably should be, for these two.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 07/15/2009
- Aesthete I'm a Fan of Aesthete 31 fans permalink

Huh?! I'm an Iowan, but not from Des Moines. However, my town is certainly quite lively after 2 am!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 07/14/2009

They call that "dancing"? No wonder its illegal!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 07/13/2009
- chronic I'm a Fan of chronic 71 fans permalink
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LOL I know thats right!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 07/15/2009
- Dustee I'm a Fan of Dustee 60 fans permalink
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The world is going insane!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 07/13/2009

And this is newsworthy because??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 PM on 07/13/2009
- SusanRen I'm a Fan of SusanRen 2 fans permalink

I can see why its illegal with those two in the picture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 07/13/2009
- Pettit I'm a Fan of Pettit 2 fans permalink

LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 07/13/2009
- Dolmance I'm a Fan of Dolmance 25 fans permalink

When I was a kid growing up in Los Angeles, dancing was illegal for anyone under 18 and for all people attending a concert. It's how I first came to despise Republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 07/13/2009
- VOTER I'm a Fan of VOTER 173 fans permalink
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You have to be joking.

Who knew LA was a Church?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 07/13/2009
- go I'm a Fan of go 2 fans permalink

I set up one of the first rave events in DM in the early 90's and there were hundreds after that went til morning...­I can guarantee that people were dancing and much more. It may be a law on the books but this is the first time I ever heard of it as it was never enforced. By the way Obama won Polk County, which includes DM 57% to 42%, I would bet in the city w/out the rural areas included at least 70% voted for Obama. Even Gore won Polk County by 10,000 votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 07/13/2009
- VOTER I'm a Fan of VOTER 173 fans permalink
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My husband and I go to Des Moines every summer for
Iowa Cub Games at Principal Park.

We have a BALL!
Great people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 07/13/2009
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Is this Laird??? or who are you that threw parties in the early 90's because we probably know each other

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 07/13/2009
- Eklypz I'm a Fan of Eklypz 11 fans permalink
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I came in the late 90s from SF and could not do one in DSM. Heard rumours of the other ones :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 AM on 07/14/2009
- camanokat I'm a Fan of camanokat 10 fans permalink
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That's nonsense. I grew up in LA and went to plenty of concerts where there was dancing even under 18. Where did you imagine this?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 07/13/2009
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