Episcopal Church Moves To End Ban On Gay Bishops

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RACHEL ZOLL | 07/14/09 10:29 PM | AP

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NEW YORK — Episcopalians declared gays and lesbians eligible for "any ordained ministry" Tuesday, a vote expected to upset world Anglican leaders who had sought a clear moratorium on consecrating another gay bishop.

Leaders of the Episcopal Church, the Anglican province in the United States, insisted they were still committed to membership in the Anglican Communion. Some Anglican leaders, however, predicted the vote would break their fellowship.

The Episcopal General Convention, meeting in Anaheim, Calif., gave final approval to the measure during their once-every-three-years legislative assembly, which runs through Friday.

"God has called and may call" gays in committed relationships to "any ordained ministry" in the church, the resolution says.

Lay people voted 78-21 and clergy voted 77-19 to approve the measure. The House of Bishops had earlier voted 99-45 to adopt the statement. In the debates, delegates said they worried about the reaction of other Anglicans, but felt a duty to vote yes.

"I personally believe we had to do this," said John Cheek, a delegate from the Diocese of Western Massachusetts, based in Springfield. "It's the way we see the Gospel."

Episcopalians caused an uproar in 2003 by consecrating the first openly gay bishop, V. Gene Robinson of New Hampshire. Since then, Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, the Anglican spiritual leader, has struggled to prevent a permanent Anglican split.

Last month, breakaway Episcopal conservatives and other like-minded traditionalists formed a rival national province to the Episcopal Church called the Anglican Church in North America.

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The new body includes four seceding Episcopal dioceses and is supported by several overseas Anglican leaders who have broken ties with the Episcopal Church.

The 77 million-member communion is the third-largest grouping of churches worldwide, behind Roman Catholic and Orthodox Christian churches.

Williams attended the convention in its opening days last week, telling delegates, "I hope and pray that there won't be decisions in the coming days that could push us further apart."

To ease tensions with overseas Anglicans, the Episcopal General Convention three years ago passed a resolution that urged restraint by dioceses considering gay candidates for bishop.

The latest statement is widely viewed by advocates for gay clergy, theological conservatives and others in the Anglican world as repealing that pledge.

The Episcopal gay advocacy group Integrity said in a statement that the declaration "effectively ends" the temporary prohibition on gay bishops. Robinson, in a post on his diocesan blog, acknowledged the risk the bishops' took in adopting the measure.

"No doubt, they will pay a price for opening their hearts, much as gay and lesbian people in this church have paid a price for their exclusion," Robinson wrote. "I applaud them for their courage and will stand with them in the consequences of their vote."

The few traditional Episcopalians who attended the convention said they were there to express the conservative view, but had largely resigned themselves to the liberal direction of the denomination, which has about 2.3 million members.

"If you think you're going to convince the Episcopal Church, you're smoking something funny," said Bishop Peter Beckwith, a theological conservative from the Diocese of Springfield, Ill. "That's unrealistic, but we're still called to be faithful."

Episcopalians and Anglicans have been debating for decades how to interpret the Bible on issues from salvation to homosexuality. Traditionalists believe Scripture bans same-gender relationships, while liberals emphasize the Bible's social justice teachings on tolerance.

Church of England Bishop N.T. Wright, a prominent Anglican scholar, wrote in an op-ed in The Times of London, that this week's vote "marks a clear break with the rest of the Anglican Communion" and formalizes the Anglican schism.

When Williams learned that the latest statement was heading toward approval, he told British reporters that he "regrets" the move.

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Episcopal Church: http://www.episcopalchurch.org/index.htm

Anglican Communion: http://www.anglicancommunion.org/

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Associated Press Writer Michelle Rindels contributed to this report from Anaheim.

NEW YORK — Episcopalians declared gays and lesbians eligible for "any ordained ministry" Tuesday, a vote expected to upset world Anglican leaders who had sought a clear moratorium on consecratin...
NEW YORK — Episcopalians declared gays and lesbians eligible for "any ordained ministry" Tuesday, a vote expected to upset world Anglican leaders who had sought a clear moratorium on consecratin...
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- Vern58 I'm a Fan of Vern58 13 fans permalink
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I have never been so proud to be an Episcopalian in my life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 AM on 07/17/2009
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Catholic church has had homosexuality in their clergy as long as they have had a clergy. What's the big deal?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 07/15/2009

The HP reported on a somewhat better idea here a few weeks ago:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/04/kentucky-pastor-invites-p_n_211498.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 07/15/2009

is sh_t that sensuous ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 07/14/2009
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So you are arguing that sexuality is nothing more than behavior (anal sex by this reference) and has nothing to do with love and devotion and physical and, yes, even spiritual attraction independent of physical activity?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 07/14/2009

The problem that the gay haters have is that God creates new gays every day!!!! This issue is not simply going to go away simple because the gay haters want it to.

Why are the gay haters so silent when it comes to divorce and re-marriage? Jesus was crystal clear about is position on divorce...but never uttered a word about gays.

Today divorce is almost a sacrament within the church because its so common (including "buy-an-annulment" in the Catholic church). The bottom line is that the born agains and gay haters don't think they need gays to hold up their membership counts and budgets....however, their ranks and treasuries would be very small if they kicked out all of the divorcees.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 07/14/2009
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The problem is that *most* (no, not all, as we obviously have an exception here) Christians don't give a flying flip about what The Bible actually says. They only care about what they are told by others that it says. The word "homosexual" or "gay" does not even appear in any original version of the bible in their original language. The references to homosexual activity are actually references to other behaviors, that included same gender sexual activity, such as prostitution and fertility cults in the Pagan world. But the concept of homosexuality as we know it today did not exist in their vocabulary

Which is odd considering it did exist in the lexicons of ancient Rome and Greece BEFORE Christianity came into being

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 07/14/2009
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I love it when people who haven't read and studied the Bible lecture about it's contents.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 07/14/2009

As previously reported in the HP, a Kentucky church has a somewhat better idea for combating hoplophobia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoplophobia

"A Kentucky pastor is inviting his flock to bring guns to church to celebrate the Fourth of July and the Second Amendment."

"New Bethel Church is welcoming "responsible handgun owners" to wear their firearms inside the church June 27, a Saturday. An ad says there will be a handgun raffle, patriotic music and information on gun safety."

" 'We're just going to celebrate the upcoming theme of the birth of our nation," said pastor Ken Pagano. "And we're not ashamed to say that there was a strong belief in God and firearms _ without that this country wouldn't be here.' "
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/04/kentucky-pastor-invites-p_n_211498.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 07/15/2009
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Imagine that...A Christian denominational church actually attempting to follow the tenents of Christianity and love ALL thy fellow man.

What a shocker.

Im still not sure about the whole idea of a cult built around the idea of a man who does not even exist sending his only son who does not exist either to death

But hey, who am I to judge?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 07/14/2009
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I guess that's the only thing that the Bible says, love All thy fellow man.If that's all He had to say, a pamphlet would have been sufficient.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 07/14/2009
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Well the thousands of pages of manuscript that make up the bible tells stories and fables that all end up reflecting the basic concept of love all thy fellow man

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 07/14/2009
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Hardly,because even with life and death of God's only Son, it seems that many who profess to believe have yet to hear or receive the message.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 07/15/2009

I've always been proud to be Episcopalian, and I still am.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 07/14/2009
- txkayrose I'm a Fan of txkayrose 4 fans permalink

The article isn't particularly well-worded.
No, candidates for Bishop, gay or straight, do not HAVE to be in committed relationships. BUT, a candidate, gay or straight, with a known history of casual, promiscuous sexual relationships is likely to be rejected / lose on that basis alone (even if that isn't the 'public' reason).
Given the gay community's history of casual, indiscriminate sexual relationships, church leadership may have felt it necessary to spell out the expectation 'for the record'.
The church does recognize that relationships, gay or straight, can sour, so, no, a break-up does not mean they would lose their appointment, although, how it is handled could affect their future, just like any divorce that gets nasty.
The church recognizes that its bishops live in the real world, but,by the same token, expects them to recognize that accepting this calling affects their entire life, not just working hours.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 07/14/2009
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In other words, gay candidates for ordination would be put under the same scrutiny and have to live up to the same standards of their heterosexual counterparts.

Sounds like equality to me

And that is EXACTLY what we want

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 07/14/2009

And the death spiral of our country's morality continues. But I will admit it is pretty entertaining watching people claiming to be both gay and Christian.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 07/14/2009
- M1 I'm a Fan of M1 43 fans permalink
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About as entertaining as claiming to be Christian and actively persecuting Gay Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 07/14/2009
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Christians feel the moral right and obligation to persecute (judge) anyone they deem worthy. They argue that we should not play God, and yet do so each and every day as they judge others by their own flawed human standards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 07/14/2009
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The odds of being gay and Christain are 100% greater than the odds of being a hater and Christan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 07/15/2009

So Grunty1, is now advocating that homosexuals should be allowed to control the thoughts/minds
of heterosexual people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 07/14/2009
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In what context would the homosexual be controlling the thoughts and minds of the heterosexual?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 PM on 07/15/2009
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The Episcopal Church. Now more liberal than Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 07/14/2009
- Seldon I'm a Fan of Seldon 11 fans permalink

Not that difficult. Obama isn't that liberal

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 07/14/2009
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Obviously.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 07/14/2009
- Libertyfan I'm a Fan of Libertyfan 7 fans permalink

I can't wait until the start performing show tunes during services.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 07/14/2009

I,m tired of the Episcopal church pushing their gay agenda on christians. I personally have belonged to an Episcopal church for over 40 years and have recently withdrawn my membership. No I am not homophobic, No I dont believe that they are any less welcome in church than I am. However I dont feel that a person in direct defiance of Gods law should be put up as the standard for that law.
I couldnt imagine the church electing a bishop or priest that openly was a drunkard, wife beater, law breaking, womanizing individual in direct defiance of Gods law. So why would they elect one that was in defiance of Gods law as to homosexuallity?
Homosexuals are more than welcome in any church to learn Gods never changing word. However when priests change that word or ignore that word in an effort to be politically correct or to put more people in the pews than they are doing a diservice to God and the Parishes that they serve.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 07/14/2009
- jlarue I'm a Fan of jlarue 17 fans permalink
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I am Episcopalian and I am frankly tired of people like you deciding who is and is not within the boundaries of acceptable "sin".

My experience is that many anti gay Episcopalians are also mysoginists who are stll bristling 30 years after we ordained the first woman priest.

We need to move forward not backwards. Feed the poor, clothe the naked, visit prisoners, be kind to widows and orphans. What we do to others matters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 07/14/2009

Are you saying that sexually abusing minors is within Gods law? The Catholic church has many Priests and Bishops that have been involved or covered up these acts.
I am very proud to be an ex-catholic who is now Episcopal. All people should be involved and welcome at all levels of a church.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 07/14/2009

AGAIN I THINK I ADDRESSED THAT ALL ARE WELCOME IN RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. I DO NOT ADVOCATE THE FEW PRIESTS THAT HAVE COMMITTED THESE ACTS. NOR DO I ADVOCATE THOSE ACTS BY BAPTISTS, METHODISTS, EPISCOPALIANS....
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THESE PEOPLE THAT YOU MENTION ARE JUST THAT. THEY ARE NOT WORTHY OF MY SERVANTHOOD.
YOU DONT NEED A PRIEST OR OR CLERGY TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.
THOSE ARE NOT THE WHO YOU PUT YOUR FAITH IN. FAITH IS IN GOD. GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON AND GOD THE HOLY GHOST.
GODS WORD IS FOREVER AND IT WILL NOT LET YOU DOWN. IT DOES NOT CHANGE, HE DOES NOT CHANGE. PUT YOUR TRUST IN HIM, NOT PEOPLE.
FAITH:
THE STUBBORN APPLICATION OF THE PRINCIPALS OF GODS WORD.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 07/14/2009

ALSO OF CONSCIDERATION IS THAT AGAIN IN THE BIBLE IN ROMANS 1: 32 THOSE WHO DO SUCH THINGS DESERVE DEATH(SPIRITUAL) AND THOSE THAT APPROVE OF THEM DESERVE DEATH(SPIRITUAL) SO IF ONE SUPPORTS HOMOSEXUALLITY REGUARDLESS OF THEIR SEXUALLITY IT IS ALSO A SIN.
AGAIN GODS WORD DOES NOT CHANGE TO FIT SERVANT, THE SERVANT CHANGES TO FIT GODS WORD.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 07/14/2009

HELLO, ARE YOU THERE?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 PM on 07/14/2009
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Well, if you failed to receive the message of Jesus Christ after 40 years, it's a fair chance you never were a member for the right reasons. No loss. Except for you. Your loss is your choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 07/15/2009

I said ALL are welcome to relationship with God. I am a Christian and I can only assume that you are one also. The message of Jesus Christ is very simple. Follow Gods law. You cant follow that law and stay the same. You have to actively grow in that relationship. That means reading the scripture and doing your best to correct the sins in our lives. Example: If I am over weight and I find in scripture that glutney is a sin than I should try to overcome my eating habits. If money is the most important thing in life to me. Then I need to correct because of greed or false idolitry.
Same thing with homosexuallity. If I am a homosexual and I read in Romans 1:25-32 that homosexuallity is a sin than I need to correct that as well.
Just because it is becoming socially acceptable does not make it acceptable by God. Gods word does not change to fit the times. Thats the great thing about it! You dont have to worry about a rules change in the middle of the game. Just because we may not like what we read in scripture doesnt make it any less of a sin.
I take scripture very seriously as should any Christian. No its not that simple, some sin is very hard to overcome. However it is still our job as Christians to try to overcome and have a growing relationship with God.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 07/16/2009

Sad day when you can`t tell the church from the secular world anymore. Church is caving in to pressure groups left and right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 07/14/2009
- CigarGod I'm a Fan of CigarGod 127 fans permalink
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Progress.
Not just "coming out"....
but also coming out of the cave and out of the dark ages.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 07/14/2009
- stylenease I'm a Fan of stylenease 18 fans permalink
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So I take it you are also a gay hater?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 07/14/2009

no quite the opposite. I love them enough to speak out and make them aware of their sins. Unfortunately Preachers often omitt contraversial subjects from the lessons, do in part to politically correctness.
Again Gods word does not change to fit the servant, the servant changes to fit Gods word. If a preacher doesnt preach of the sin than the sinner doesnt know that they are sinning. Adultry is taught, sloth is taught, greed is taught.... why omitt the scriptures that deal with homosexuallity?
If a person has faith in Gods word, than they must have faith in all of Gods word. You cant pick and choose. So it is the job of the servant to advise people. Not condemn them. I cant tell you if a homosexual will go to heaven anymore than I can advise on a straight persons salvation. That is Gods job!! Thats why he gives us the rule book. A book that does not change in the middle of the game. It is our choice as to weather we follow or not.
I choose to follow and yes I sin every day and I ask for forgiveness and I try to get better every day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 07/15/2009

As an Episcopalian, I'm proud that the church is dealing with these issues now. We have a long-standing history and tradition of advancing the cause of civil liberties as a matter of faith and reaching out. I thin ktwenty years from now, when other Christian denominations have no trouble accepting the LBGT community in leadership positions they will look back on our work now with gratitude.

As to the comments about "organized religion", I think Archibishop of Canterbury WIlliam Temple quote: "It is a mistake to suppose that God is chiefly, or even largely, concerned with religion."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 07/14/2009
- jlarue I'm a Fan of jlarue 17 fans permalink
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Episcopalians rule!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 07/14/2009
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"We have a long history and tradition of advancing the cause of civil liberties..." that's really nice, to bad you can't advance Gods cause. What a bunch of jokers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 07/14/2009
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Have you spoken to God directly? If not, how do you know what his cause is, other than a few scribbles gathered on some ancient shreds of 2,000 year old papyrus, which were written by men 50-100 years after the so-called life of Jesus, and therefore were bound to be victim to an ancient game of "telephone" and be warped and distorted through the centuries

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 07/14/2009
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