Chuck Todd And Glenn Greenwald To Debate Torture Investigations (And The Rest Of Your Scritti Politti)


First Posted: 07-15-09 06:37 PM   |   Updated: 07-15-09 06:48 PM

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Salon's Glenn Greenwald called out MSNBC's Chuck Todd at great length Wednesday for a segment Todd participated in on Morning Joe in which, per Greenwald, "everyone agreed without question that investigations were a ridiculous distraction from what really matters and would be terribly unfair." Based on my experience, Chuck and Glenn are both very decent fellows, and they've apparently agreed to work it all out in a podcast interview, which I'm sure will be a high-quality discussion. That said, I have to take issue with Todd on this score:

Todd: Look, let's take all of these stories in one big thing: Really, the only important thing -- the most important thing -- the President has to focus on is getting the public's trust on the economy, and pushing health care. Cheney, the CIA, and in some respects Sotomayor are cable catnip --


Brzezinski: Yep.

Todd: It's news catnip -- but they're sort of clouding the two most important issues the President's got to get his arms around this week: winning back trust of the middle on the economy and pushing health care through.

As a cat owner, this baffles me. Catnip is a plant that cats enjoy, immensely. They can't wait to sniff it, eat it, roll around on it. Cats get freaky around the stuff, it's like cocaine to them.

I don't know if there is a substance which cats will look at briefly, shrug, and then walk away in pure disinterest, but whatever it is, it would be a better metaphor for the way cable news has taken to the story of investigations into torture.

What's especially strange is that back in April, Chuck Todd wasn't saying torture investigations were "cable news catnip" at all:

MITCHELL: They clearly are responding to the letter from Diane Feinstein...and the whole question of whether -- in the liberal blogosphere whether they have been too quick to shut down any prosecutions.


TODD: There does seem to be a little bit of a reaction to how this was received on the left. And the president, when he went on in those comments, Andrea, to suggest that he'd be open to some sort of special commission that was bipartisan, you know, he said, on one hand, said he's worried about the process getting politicized, and frankly this feels like a political food fight now. Vice President Cheney on one side, President Obama on the other. The hard left, the hard right, fighting over this in the blogosphere.

I suppose that his assertion that torture investigations are "cable news catnip" is an improvement over the way he captured it as a pure sideline issue two months ago. But I'm afraid that really, the status quo remains in effect: torture investigations remain something for which there is mainstream, active support among the public that the media just isn't all that interested in covering.

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Salon's Glenn Greenwald called out MSNBC's Chuck Todd at great length Wednesday for a segment Todd participated in on Morning Joe in which, per Greenwald, "everyone agreed without question that inves...
Salon's Glenn Greenwald called out MSNBC's Chuck Todd at great length Wednesday for a segment Todd participated in on Morning Joe in which, per Greenwald, "everyone agreed without question that inves...
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- kgb999 I'm a Fan of kgb999 19 fans permalink

The MSM can't cover torture honestly without burning both their "sources" and the patrons who shell out $25K a pop to hobnob with their sources.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 07/16/2009
- hmmmmmer I'm a Fan of hmmmmmer 26 fans permalink

Chuck Todd is proving NBC is going to try and mold everyone in the image of Gregory, they both S U ^ K.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 07/16/2009
- CALAVA I'm a Fan of CALAVA 3 fans permalink

MSNBC is no way the liberal version of FOX News.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 07/16/2009
- vinny I'm a Fan of vinny 71 fans permalink
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todd has a 'spokesperson' problem

he asserts that obama doesn't want a political distraction, but never cites the opinions of the obama administration, or anyone else for that matter...

todd is apparently content to 'explain why' w/o the actual analysis...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 07/16/2009
- nivek I'm a Fan of nivek 4 fans permalink
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Chuck Todd is falling in line. He could have built a stellar career as an investigating, probing newsman. Instead, it seems, Mr. Todd has decided to take the gilded path to sellout city.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 07/16/2009
- StellaRay I'm a Fan of StellaRay 208 fans permalink

I just listened to the entire podcast of Greenwald and Todd's discussion. A couple of things struck me.

First of all, it was a gentlemen's discussion with no screaming or pot shots taken. I give Todd credit for showing up.

Secondly, it is clear that Todd was doing more than covering the beat for the WH. He was expressing his opinion that to pursue higher ups in government is too risky because it will inevitably "politicized." He clearly believes this country is not up to the risk of the debate, that presidents can't be held accountable because they are presidents, and that political expediency is more important than our laws.

Thirdly, because Todd is a part of a majority of journalists who take this stand, I find this so scary the dictionary doesn't have words.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 07/16/2009
- vinny I'm a Fan of vinny 71 fans permalink
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At the very beginning, Todd tried to defend his "objectivity" on the matter, i.e. he is just reporting the views of others. Clearly, he is projecting his own view.

Todd needs to re-evaluate his career choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 07/16/2009
- ritenow I'm a Fan of ritenow 22 fans permalink

I just finished listening to the debate.

I find it interesting Todd's argument about the investigating torture would be politicized. Of course it would be - just as the Nixon Pardon, the Clinton/Lewinsky situation, and the Iran/Contra affair was.

Everything is politicized - health care reform, stimulus/recovery/ bailouts, environmental laws, FTC, abortion,Medicare, Social Security, and on and on - SO WHAT!

If we don't stand up to our own standards in law, how in the heck can we expect anyone else to do it? Holding everyone to the same standard of justice would prevent people form tampering with the Justice Department, rewriting torture laws, and rigging elections.

So our dirty laundry get exposed and it has to in order to get cleaned. It will put on notice that people who want to be leaders in this democracy are EVEN MORE accountable than others.

It's time for a shift in the typical, we don't want to politicized thinking and embarrass ourselves in front of the world. It's a lame excuse for not doing the right thing and it makes us look hypocritical. How's that for a image to the rest of the world?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 07/16/2009

Todd is a Republican, I am not sure how he got the job but can guess.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 07/16/2009
- CousinBuck I'm a Fan of CousinBuck 4 fans permalink

Most of the MSNBC contributors address issues differently on the Morning Joke program than on other MSNBC programs. Except for Ed Schultz and Lawrence Odonnell, they all defer to Joke's point of view if they're even given a chance to speak.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 07/16/2009
- CousinBuck I'm a Fan of CousinBuck 4 fans permalink

Anyone notice that Morning Joke's much ballyhooed book which MSNBC seemed to promote 24x7 opened at number 7 on the NYT bestseller list? The second week it went to number 25. Buchanan predicted it would zoom to number 1. Pat's been on such a long losing streak with his predictions that one should assume the opposite will occur.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 07/16/2009

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Nice knowin' ya, Chuckie. Glenn will wipe the floor with you.

Chuck Todd is the poster boy for the "Peter Principle" Chuck, you were rather good at election numbers. But then you got promoted WAY past your competence level. Glenn actually KNOWS what he's talking about. He could cream you on either side of the debate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 07/16/2009

Hardly. Greenwald got histrionic for no good reason over Todd's objective assessment that it's in Obama's best interests for his political agenda not to pursue investigations.

He's not mis-stating when he says everyone feels like it would be a waste of time. There's actual policy to be made, and something like this can happen when the Democrats actually have the political capital to burn and the votes to lose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 07/16/2009
- vinny I'm a Fan of vinny 71 fans permalink
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exactly what is political capital?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 07/16/2009
- Melkor I'm a Fan of Melkor 16 fans permalink

"Objective assessment"? Sounds like you should take a job in the mainstream media.

Greenwald ripped him to shreds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 07/16/2009
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I agree with ya. Glenn is going to seriously school Chuckie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 07/16/2009
- felinetta I'm a Fan of felinetta 5 fans permalink

I agree. Todd was a good bean counter, but I think your he is the poster child for the Peter Principle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 07/16/2009
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How Todd the competent bean counter became "Chief White House/politico whatever" is the sad story of journalism's descent into entertainment, where style and noise always trumps facts and reporting. Todd cannot ask the hard questions because he has doesn't know any....
Greenwald will chew him up in a nanosecond, but who will notice other than the choir?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 07/16/2009
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Exactly - how does one transition from behind-the-scenes numbers analyst to White House correspondent? Boggles the mind, doesn't it?!?!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 07/16/2009

Look at the show!!! and then figure it out!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 07/16/2009
- Dustee I'm a Fan of Dustee 60 fans permalink
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Todd should never have been a white house reporter. He's a stats man.

btw: Don't you hate those reporters that asks a question using a *false premise* and demand an answer to it over and over again? And then they say, Obama or Gibbs won't answer the hard question. Know matter what answer Obama gives, that's not the answer they wanted to go along with their false theory.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 07/16/2009
- rockyb26 I'm a Fan of rockyb26 131 fans permalink
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are we supposed to know that chuck is a republican, or is he just doing an awful job of hiding it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 AM on 07/16/2009
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He is - and his wife worked for the McCain campaign last year!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 07/16/2009
- Dustee I'm a Fan of Dustee 60 fans permalink
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Chuck's wife, Kristian Denny Todd is a Democratic operative and communications professional. At least that's what wikipedia says. Also, she's a democrat. I can't see her working with the McCain camp.

http://www.maverickstrat.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2&Itemid=5

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 07/16/2009
- Susan60 I'm a Fan of Susan60 7 fans permalink

When Chuck Todd started at MSNBC with the election, I thought he was supposed to be a reporter reporting facts and such. Now Chuck has such a strong opinion on this subject that he's willing to take on GLENN FREAKING GREENWALD.
Good luck to Chuck and his professional ethics. He's going to need them against Glenn.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 AM on 07/16/2009
- furey I'm a Fan of furey 6 fans permalink

"torture investigations remain something for which there is mainstream, active support among the public that the media just isn't all that interested in covering"

That's because the corporate media are criminally complicit in numerous crimes of the national security state and have been for decades:

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/08/16/black-box/

Todd and his ilk are mercenaries with no moral authority.

AG Holder is required by law to prosecute the torturers at all levels:

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2009/07/13/do-the-right-thing/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 AM on 07/16/2009
- ReelBusy I'm a Fan of ReelBusy 26 fans permalink
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Chuck Todd has been drinking too much Morning Joe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 AM on 07/16/2009
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Want an exciting, confrontational MTP?

Give DG's job to Greenwald.

Fireworks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 AM on 07/16/2009
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I'd start watching it again, that's for sure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 07/16/2009
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