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First Posted: 07-16-09 10:46 PM   |   Updated: 07-17-09 05:26 PM

Update 5:15 P.M.:
More details have emerged on the Jakarta hotel attacks. From the AP:

Friday's attackers evaded hotel security and smuggled explosives into the Marriott by posing as guests and assembling the bombs in room 1808, where an undetonated device was later found by police.


"They had been using the room as their 'command post' since July 15, and today they were supposed to check out," police chief Gen. Bambang Hendarso Danuri said. At the Marriott, such a "deluxe" room, with marble-decorated bathrooms and plush furnishings, goes for about $200 a night.

The blast occurred as the Marriott was hosting a regular business meeting organized by the consultancy firm CastleAsia, said the group, which is headed by an American.


Update 3:02 P.M.:
The blasts in Jakarta are being felt around the world, evidenced by the New York Police Department's stepped up security at luxury hotels Friday, according to Reuters:

"There's no information of a similar threat to New York, but it's our standard practice now to take such precautions," Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said in a statement.

New York -- home to Wall Street, the Broadway theater district and other attractions that draw millions of tourists and businesspeople every year -- has been highly attuned to security threats since the September 11 attacks in 2001 that killed 2,749 people at the World Trade Center site.

Update 1:32 P.M.:
MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell, speaking with Bangkok correspondent Ian Williams this afternoon, discussed more details of the attacks; namely, how did the attackers bypass security, which is a standard for many luxury hotels in Indonesia, including the two which were bombed? The current theory among investigators, according to Williams, is that the parts for the bombs were smuggled in and assembled once inside, most likely in an 18th floor room. More to come on this...

Update 12:37 P.M. EST:
An eye witness speaks to Al Jazeera about the bombings,

Watch:

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Update 11:35 A.M. EST:
Via CNN, a camera in the JW Marriott caught one of the bombings on tape. It shows a man wheeling in a suitcase and wearing a suit, followed by the blast.

Watch:

Update 10:46 A.M. EST:
Via the AP, President Obama publicly condemned the attacks in Jakarta, describing them as "outrageous".

President Barack Obama is condemning a pair of suicide bombings at American hotels in Indonesia on Friday.

Investigators say the attacks at two hotels in Jakarta killed eight people and wounded more than 50.

Obama says the U.S. government "stands ready" as a friend and partner to help its ally in the effort to combat extremism and to recover from these "outrageous attacks."

The president also extended his condolences to all the victims and their loved ones.

Update 10:13 A.M. EST:
MSNBC just reported that, among those injured, 8 were American. The number is slightly higher than the 3 believed to be injured, reported earlier by USA Today.

Update 9:53 A.M. EST:
The Council on Foreign Relations has an overview of Jemaah Islamiyah (JI), the assumed perpetrator of the twin bombings in Jakarta.

Introduction

Jemaah Islamiyah (JI) is a militant Islamist group active in several Southeast Asian countries that seeks to establish a pan-Islamic state across much of the region. Jemaah Islamiyah ("Islamic Organization" in Arabic) is alleged to have attacked or plotted against U.S. and Western targets in Indonesia, Singapore, and the Philippines. JI's most notorious attack occurred in 2002 when three bombs were detonated on the Indonesian island of Bali, a beachfront city and international tourist destination. The most recent attack believed to have been carried out by JI operatives came on October 1, 2005, when a series of suicide bombings killed twenty people and wounded 129 in Bali. After the 2002 Bali attack, the United States-which suspects the group of having ties to Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network-designated Jemaah Islamiyah a foreign terrorist organization.

Continue reading...

And Al Jazeera has a timeline of Indonesia's legal and military battle against the group, with the most recent events being:

November 8, 2008: After a series of appeals and stays of execution, Indonesia executes three men convicted of carrying out the 2002 Bali bombings.

June 2007: Indonesian police arrest Abu Dujana, alleged to be a top JI commander, along with seven other suspected JI leaders in raids on Java.

Update 9:48 A.M. EST:
Despite the deadly attacks in Jakarta, Indonesian and Asian financial markets were unaffected as investors focus on economic factors rather than social or political turmoil, the Wall Street Journal reports:

The main stock index initially fell as much as 2.6%, eventually closing down 0.6% at 2106.35 points, off a 2063.044 intraday low, but also down from a 2126.339 intraday high.

Economists and analysts said investors were likely to keep their focus on the country's economic fundamentals and political stability.

Update 8:57 A.M. EST:
An extremely prescient report Thursday from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, a think tank, predicted that internal strife among the leadership of the al-Qaeda affiliate group, Jemaah Islamiyah, would lead to new attacks, ending a four-year lull, the AP is reporting.

"However, the emergence of hardened, experienced militants from the conflict in the southern Philippines and the recent release of JI cadres from prisons in Indonesia, who have become ostracized by the mainstream JI group, are breeding a new generation of radicalized fringe groups," the paper said.


"There is evidence that some of these individuals are gravitating toward hard-line groups who continue to advocate al-Qaida-style attacks against Western targets," it concluded.

One of the authors, national security project director Carl Ungerer, said he believed young dissident members of Jemaah Islamiyah could be behind Friday's attacks.

Mr. Ungerer also spoke to Voice of America, saying, "Many of the younger JI members have not been reformed. They do not accept either the rehabilitation program that has been offered to them in the prison system or the kind of traditionalist view amongst JI that there should be a cessation of the bombing campaign. They do not accept this. They are gravitating towards these more hardline elements. They are more interested in continuing the armed struggle."

Update 8:55 A.M. EST:

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Police officers inspect the damage at J.W. Marriott hotel after a bomb went off in Jakarta, Indonesia, Friday, July 17, 2009. Bombs exploded at the Ritz-Carlton and Marriott hotels in the Indonesian capital on Friday, ripping the facade off the Ritz, police said.

Update 8:49 A.M. EST:
Though police issued a statement suggesting the attacks were carried out by suicide bombers, AFP reports that an undetonated explosive device was found in one of the rooms of the Marriott, suggesting the attack may have sought to use both planted bombs as well as suicide attackers.

Update 8:31 A.M. EST:
Police believe the bombings were carried out by two suicide bombers, but are now searching for additional culprits while investigators attempt to identify the bombers from their remains, in addition to four additional, unidentified bodies, the AP reports.

Though Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono says it is still too early to know what group is responsible for the bombings, most initial signs tend to point to the al-Qaeda affiliate, Jemaah Islamiyah, which was blamed for a 2003 bombing of the very same Marriott, according to the Washington Post.

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Video is coming in of the twin bombings in the Indonesian capital of Jakarta, which killed at least eight people and left over 50 wounded, including 18 foreigners, at two hotels on Thursday.

Watch this video, which appears to be from Indonesian TV, and shows the extent of the damage to the two hotels--Ritz-Carlton and Marriott--including blown-out windows and scattered debris and glass:

Here is another video of the bombings' aftermath, showing scenes of bystanders watching police investigators comb the scene for clues:

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Original Associated Press report:

JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) -- Explosions ripped through two luxury hotels in Jakarta Friday, killing eight and wounding at least 50 more, ending a four-year lull in terror attacks in the world's most populous Muslim nation. At least 18 foreigners were among the dead and wounded.

The blasts at the J.W. Marriott and Ritz-Carlton hotels, located side-by-side in an upscale business district in the capital, blew out windows and scattered debris and glass across the street, kicking up a thick plume of smoke. Facades of both hotels were reduced to twisted metal. An Associated Press reporter at the scene saw bodies being shuttled away in police trucks.

Police said they were investigating whether the blasts, detonated inside cafes in each hotel, were caused by suicide bombers, planted explosives or a combination of both. Several of the bombing suspects were believed to have been staying at the Marriott.

President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono said the attack was carried out by a "terrorist group" and vowed to arrest the perpetrators. He said it was too early to say if the Southeast Asian Islamic militant group Jemaah Islamiyah, blamed for past attacks in Indonesia, including a 2003 bombing at the Marriott, was responsible.

"Those who carried out this attack and those who planned it will be arrested and tried according to the law," a somber-looking Yudhoyono told a news conference.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton condemned the bombings as reflecting "the viciousness of violent extremists" and said they "remind us that the threat of terrorism remains very real." She said the United States was prepared to provide assistance if requested by the Indonesian government.
The European Union condemned the blasts as "brutal."

The Marriott was hit first, followed by the blast at the Ritz two minutes later. The attacks came just two weeks after a presidential vote expected to re-elect Yudhoyono who has been credited with stabilizing a nation previously wracked by militancy.

Theo Sambuaga, chairman of the parliamentary security commission, said "there are indications of suicide bombs" at the two hotels. "That is being investigated."

But top anti-terror official Ansaad Mbai told AP it was too early to conclude suicide bombers were responsible.

Jakarta police chief Maj. Gen. Wahyono said the suspects of the Marriott bombing stayed on the 18th floor of the hotel where un-detonated explosives were found after Friday's twin explosions.

"There were several perpetrators," he told reporters. "They were disguised as guests and stayed in room 1808."

Security Minister Widodo Adi Sucipto told reporters at the scene the hotel blasts happened at 7:45 a.m. and 7:47 a.m. (0045 GMT, 8:45 p.m. EDT) and that "high explosives were used." He said eight people were killed and 50 wounded.

Alex Asmasubrata, who was jogging nearby, said he walked into the Marriott before emergency services arrived and "there were bodies on the ground, one of them had no stomach," he said. "It was terrible."
Anti-terror forces with automatic weapons were rushed to the site, and authorities blocked access to the hotels in a district also home to foreign embassies.

"This destroys our conducive situation," Sucipto said, referring to the nearly four years since a major terrorist attack in Indonesia -- a triple suicide bombing at restaurants at the resort island of Bali that killed 20 people.

The security minister and police said a New Zealander was among those killed, and that 17 other foreigners were among the wounded, including nationals from Australia, Canada, Hong Kong, India, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, South Korea the U.S. and Britain.

The dead New Zealander was identified by his employer as Timothy David Mackay, 62, who worked for cement products manufacturer PT Holcim Indonesia. He was reportedly attending a business meeting at the Marriott Hotel when the explosions occurred.

Noel Clay, a U.S. State Department spokesman in Washington, said that several American citizens were among the injured. Three Americans were listed as patients at the Metropolitan Medical Center hospital.

Manchester United football team canceled a planned visit to Indonesia. The team had been scheduled to stay at the Ritz on Saturday and Sunday nights for a friendly match against the Indonesian All Stars, the Indonesian Football association said.

There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the attacks, but terrorism analyst Rohan Gunaratna said the likely perpetrators were from the al-Qaida-linked Jemaah Islamiyah.

"The only group with the intention and capability to mount attacks upon Western targets in Jemaah Islamiyah. I have no doubt Jemaah Islamiyah was responsible for this attack," he said.

There has been a massive crackdown in recent years by anti-terror officials in Indonesia, a predominantly Muslim nation of 235 million, but Gunaratna said the group was "still a very capable terrorist organization."
Police have detained most of the key figures in the Indonesia-based Jemaah Islamiyah, and rounded up hundreds of other sympathizers and lesser figures.

But Gunaratna said that radical ideologues sympathetic to JI were still able to preach extremism in Indonesia, helping provide an infrastructure that could support terrorism.

Government spokesman Dino Patti Djalal told CNN the scene of the blasts were "eerie," when he arrived.
"The bodies I saw, some were being collected, some were on the floor," he said. "What we know, of course, is this was a coordinated attack."

When asked if Jemaah Islamiyah was behind the attack, Djalal said: "We always knew there are terrorists out there. But we've had a number of very good successes; no major attacks since the Bali bombings."

He was referring to the October 2002 bombings of two Bali nightclubs that killed some 202 people, many of them foreign tourists.

"This is a blow to us," Djalal said, but said the government would find those behind the attacks.

"The president has built his reputation on ... anti-terrorism policies," he said. "Make no mistake, he will hunt whoever is behind this."

Because of past attacks, most major hotels in Jakarta take security precautions, such as checking incoming vehicles and requiring visitors to pass through metal detectors. Still, international hotels make attractive targets, since the nature of their business requires them to be relatively open and accessible.

On Friday, Australia and New Zealand updated their travel advisories, which had already warned against unnecessary travel to Indonesia because of the risk of terrorism.

"We advise you to reconsider your need to travel to Indonesia due to the very high threat of terrorist attack," the Australian Foreign Ministry said on its Web site. Those in Indonesia were warned to exercise "extreme caution."

New Zealand urged its citizens in Indonesia to keep a low profile.

Britain also updated its travel warning, though it did not raise its alert level.

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- jamiso I'm a Fan of jamiso 8 fans permalink

The timing makes me think it is a message to SBY from the JI types.
They are mad about how they (ppp, pks) lost by so much in the elections, that SBY picked someone like Bodiono for VP, and Golkar is still sore from getting trounced (coming in far behind Megawati and SBY).

Best guess, Golkar using islamists to try and weaken SBY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 AM on 07/18/2009

Heh, and how is this different than the recent killings of over a hundred ethnic Hans in China by the Uighurs?

When the Muslim Minority kills fellow Chinese by the hundreds they are called Freedom Fighters by the Western media. For days you get the media trying to blame everything on the government and "discrimination" by fellow Chinese people.

When the Muslim minority kills a few foreigners in anywhere else it's called Terrorism. Why don't the Western media support East Timor movement and try to justify the bombings as locals fed up with the excesses of your typical arrogant expat in asian nations?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 07/17/2009

The situation faced by the Uighurs in China is radically different from the situation faced by the radical Muslims who appear to be related to the bombings in Jakarta. The Uighurs are, generally, very moderate and many practice Islam infused with ancient mysticism, they are nothing like the fundamentalist Muslims so often conjured in the minds of us Westerners.

The Uighurs face a situation very, very similar to the Tibetan Buddhists; China invaded Xinjiang, as they did Tibet, early in the 20th century and, since then, have practiced a sort of 'demographic genocide' by encouraging massive numbers of Han Chinese to move there to dilute Uighur culture while simultaneously treating Uighurs as second class citizens and denying their right to self-determination. It's a culture under attack.

In contrast, Jemaah Islamiyah, the group apparently responsible for the Jakarta bombings, is a radical Muslim group similar to al-Qaeda which exists in a Muslim country and seeks to overthrow democratic governance and install a fundamentalist, theocratic regime. The Uighurs seek democracy, self-determination and freedom. Jemaah Islamiyah seeks to repress such things.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 07/17/2009

Now Now! back-off on the "Religion of Peace" . . . geez it's just some Dead People, . . BFD

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 07/17/2009

The terrorists don't frighten me half as much as xenophobic, militarist white Americans who want to turn the cultural clock back to the 1850s...no thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 07/17/2009
- brenbags I'm a Fan of brenbags 5 fans permalink

The people in here that are saying this was a CIA job are absolutely insane. Why don't we throw crazy people in mental hospitals anymore?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 07/17/2009
- Itsmyland2 I'm a Fan of Itsmyland2 9 fans permalink
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Reagan closed them all

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 07/17/2009
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That's not a joke or shouldn't be. Check out the human cost of those hospitals and type into google Willowbrook state school.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 07/17/2009
- bosunj I'm a Fan of bosunj 18 fans permalink
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Who stands to benefit with these bombings? Follow the money. With Indonesia looking to join the BRICS, being the only one of that bloc to be Islamic and not have nukes its clearly the softest target.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 07/17/2009
- jamiso I'm a Fan of jamiso 8 fans permalink

That would be great if Indonesia joined BRICS, I dont however see it happening anytime soon, with a currect GDP half that of India, but economic stability is #1 issue for indonesia and would be great for the rest of the world. It would also help loosen the growing (unfortunet) influence of places like KSA.

as for who would gain from the bombings? I dont think anyone. I very much doubt it has anything to do with that. (unless JI is mad about China? Gets a bit too convoluted).

More likely the islamist nutters trying to weaken SBY... probably Golkar has a finger print or two on it as well

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 AM on 07/18/2009
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“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.” - George W. Bush

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 07/17/2009

Yes, and the families of all those who died on 9/11 wish that George W. Bush had made counter-terrorism a priority from January 20, 2001 to September 10, 2001.

Sadly, he did not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Against_All_Enemies

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 07/17/2009
- Indy 44 I'm a Fan of Indy 44 18 fans permalink
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You think these bully terr.or ists are scared by our President's condemnation?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 07/17/2009
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Bullies? They are chickens.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 07/17/2009
- Indy 44 I'm a Fan of Indy 44 18 fans permalink
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Bullies = chickens

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 07/17/2009
- jbrantow I'm a Fan of jbrantow 40 fans permalink

are they viewers of O'reilly?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 07/17/2009
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What should Washington do? Drop a nuc-u-lear bomb on them?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 07/17/2009
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These bombers are nothing more than a bunch of chickens.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 07/17/2009

Why would you disrespect chickens like that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 07/17/2009

especially since You disrespect sheep. lol. lol.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 07/17/2009

I am not convinced it was that particular guy. The video does not show it clearly as he fades into the back of the room. he could have been somebody coming to check in and ended up walking where the actual bomb was detonated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 07/17/2009
- FrTown I'm a Fan of FrTown 17 fans permalink
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Agree, too speculative

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 07/17/2009
- Mangler I'm a Fan of Mangler 7 fans permalink
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At this stage, no one should be convinced of anything. We see one grainy surveillance video. I doubt anyone on this HuffPo thread was there, is currently there, has a background in forensics or security or counter-terrorism.

Put down your Tom Clancy books and recognize that none of you can make any sort of determination from a video. As for the media updates, take those with some scepticism. Many of them don't know much right now and are piecing things together as new information comes out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 07/17/2009
- cafemocha I'm a Fan of cafemocha 14 fans permalink

The only person who might be happy about this is DC, you know why.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 07/17/2009
- aramos I'm a Fan of aramos 9 fans permalink

Islamic extremists blowing up themselves and a hotel, killing vacationers...now where have I heard that before.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 07/17/2009
- springer23 I'm a Fan of springer23 4 fans permalink
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It's Bush's fault!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 07/17/2009
- bruisers I'm a Fan of bruisers 2 fans permalink

It's Hillary's fault!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 07/17/2009
- bruisers I'm a Fan of bruisers 2 fans permalink

It's Joe the Plumber's fault!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 07/17/2009
- bruisers I'm a Fan of bruisers 2 fans permalink

The octomom did it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 07/17/2009
- bruisers I'm a Fan of bruisers 2 fans permalink

springer23 did it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 07/17/2009
- Mangler I'm a Fan of Mangler 7 fans permalink
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A tragedy indeed. My thoughts are with the families of those killed and wounded.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 07/17/2009
- Libertyfan I'm a Fan of Libertyfan 7 fans permalink

It's not a tragedy. A tragedy is a tornado taking out a town or a traffic accident resulting in fatalities. This is murder on a grand scale pure and simple.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 07/17/2009
- Mangler I'm a Fan of Mangler 7 fans permalink
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And murder is always tragic. My point was to focus on those who are wounded and were killed.

Also, there are some ugly comments coming out in these posts; a sort of "hunt 'em down and get 'em" posse mentality, often spouted by Americans who think they ought to be the world's brutish judge, jury and executioner.

Let's get all of the facts figured out first. But we know one thing: many people are hurt and suffering.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 07/17/2009
- thaneb I'm a Fan of thaneb 13 fans permalink
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Tunnel-vision thought: Comment clearly in context of the victims' families. For them it's a tragedy. Or are you saying it is not a tragedy for those families?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 07/17/2009
- hardrain77 I'm a Fan of hardrain77 19 fans permalink
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Gimme a C! C!

Gimme an I! I!

Gimme an A! A!

What's that spell?...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=1030

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 07/17/2009
- tuffwr I'm a Fan of tuffwr 3 fans permalink

What do you know 20 posts on the most important story of the day,maybe because the left knows this is another black eye for the obama admin!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 07/17/2009
- sort84 I'm a Fan of sort84 17 fans permalink
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WTF do you exactly expect Obama to do? Predict every single move that any terrorist group plans? I mean come on, the left didn't even blame Bush for the attacks that occurred around the world while he was President.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 07/17/2009
- innerpeace I'm a Fan of innerpeace 16 fans permalink

not a black eye at all and I'm not a lefty,but I know that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 07/17/2009
- Totto I'm a Fan of Totto 43 fans permalink

"Tr0ll0matic!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 07/17/2009

huh? plenty of tourists died under bush's watch overseas. the list is huge... including terror ayttacks int he US. that's just ridiculous. the right is really nuts if they think anything bad that happens in the world is obama's fault.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 07/17/2009

what Are you talking about... tsk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 07/17/2009
- innerpeace I'm a Fan of innerpeace 16 fans permalink

that spells p-a-r-a-n-o-i-a

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 07/17/2009
- hardrain77 I'm a Fan of hardrain77 19 fans permalink
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Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean the CIA and other western intel isn't in these countries trying to destabilize their regimes with the guise of Islamic terrorism.

Everyone in Indonesia believes the '02 Bali bomb was a CIA job as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 07/17/2009

Well technically it doesn't "spell" much. Rather it forms an acronym....

I know, I know, overly pedantic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 07/17/2009
- cbates I'm a Fan of cbates 37 fans permalink
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What is the purpose of blowing people up in a hotel? People are there as visitors and business people carrying on commerce that should benefit all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 07/17/2009
- sort84 I'm a Fan of sort84 17 fans permalink
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That has always eluded me too. It seems that there has to be a better way to send a message then to kill tourists...may-be it's their bold condemnation of everything western...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 07/17/2009
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If a place is unwelcome to tourists and business travelers, there is a reduced chance that outside parties will have interest in the local natural resources. This is a war of religion vs. commerce. They don't hate us for our freedom, or even for our beliefs (or lack thereof). They hate us for capitalism and what it has done to the third world.

I'm not saying I agree...I'm just saying there is a rationale.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 07/17/2009
- kamachanda I'm a Fan of kamachanda 27 fans permalink

It's known as hitting soft targets. These criminals act like bullies. They aren't going to attack hardened targets when there are easily available innocents to slaughter. Bullies don't pick on groups of bigger guys. It's like Peta members throwing paint on fur coats, the targets are usually little old ladies. Motorcycle gangs wear leather, Peta members don't throw paint on motorcycle gangs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 07/17/2009
- jerrydenim I'm a Fan of jerrydenim 2 fans permalink

I am opposed to any form of terrorism for any reason. Terrible news all around, but I think the key word in your post if you truly are looking for answers, is "should".

"...business people carrying on commerce that SHOULD benefit all."

Check out John Perkin's account of his business activities on behalf of US interests in Indonesia, in "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" then read up on your Indonesian history. Especially Suharto, East Timor and US involvement.

The business types at the Ritz Carlton are probably much closer to the demographic AQ or JI takes issue with than the young Aussie and Western backpacker crowd that frequent night clubs in Bali.

Condolences to the victim's families, and I hope those involved are brought to justice.

I am planning to be in Banda Aceh in September. As a fair skinned American I am hoping to avoid any nasty run-ins with terrorism or Sharia law myself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 07/17/2009

These extremists do not want commerce. They want a Califate where everyone serves the Mullahs at the top. Kind of like Iran, but across the globe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 07/17/2009

This is the time of the year when tourists travel from all over the world to holiday in Indonesia, particularly in Bali. This recent bombing at major hotels in Jakarta is a way for the extremists to t.rrorize the tourists into not spending their money and/or engage in business deals there. They know that most of the visitors in that area would be from places like the U.S.; Australia; UK; France; S.Africa... In light of yesterday's incident, as well as the previous Bali Bombingz, tourists are going to be extremely wary to indulge in the club/party and shopping scenes right now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 07/17/2009
- gcallaghan I'm a Fan of gcallaghan 52 fans permalink
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The timestamp on the tape shows several gaps, one of close to a minute after he disappears from view. That could be the bomb in his bag or maybe not. If the authorities are wrong, this guy's family is in for a very rough time whenever they identify him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 07/17/2009
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