August Now Looms Even Larger In Already Heated Health Care Debate

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First Posted: 07-23-09 04:30 PM   |   Updated: 07-23-09 05:17 PM

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Thursday's announcement from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, (D-Nev.) that the full U.S. Senate would not consider health care legislation until after the August recess will likely make the next month even more heated and critical in the reform process.

August is normally Washington's off month, but in the hours after Reid's comments, partisans on both sides of the debate were pressing forward.

The Democratic National Committee released an ad targeting Republicans from trying to "kill" reform, while Rick Scott, head of Conservatives for Patients Rights, was reading the last rites for the public option. "I am very confident, after meetings on the Hill this week, that if Congress does not pass a health care bill with the public option before Labor Day, the public option is dead," Scott wrote in a memo to allies.

While Reid's announcement was interpreted by some as a political setback, operatives had been preparing themselves for the deadline to be missed for several weeks.

Democratic groups pushing for reform are set to execute a massive campaign -- involving media buys, grassroots efforts, and other traditional political functions -- designed to give lawmakers cover for a more progressive bill.

"We'll have targeted campaigns in states across the country, from Indiana and Maine to Washington and Michigan," said Lori Lodes, a spokeswoman for the Service Employees International Union. "We'll be knocking on doors, going to town halls, writing letters, making phone calls -- everything possible to make sure the members of congress know that health care reform must happen this year."

The progressive-leaning Health Care for American Now has a major push planned too, and is hinting that it will up its efforts during the recess.

"We'll just knock on more doors, make more phone calls, send more letters and emails, hold more events, and set up more delegation visits," said Jacki Schechner, National Communications Director for the group. "That's what we built this campaign to do. A little extra time is just the chance for the grassroots to get a lot louder."

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The Democratic National Committee, meanwhile, will continue its ad campaigns, an aide said, "call[ing] out conservatives for fighting against the concept of reform, regardless of the cost to our lives and our future."

The other side of the aisle is gearing up as well. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce has a multi-million dollar ad campaign planned against Democratic-constructed reform.

"The basis behind the campaign is the issue of the public plan and there is still a good chance that the public plan will be in the legislation," said Blair Latoff, a spokesperson for the Chamber. "It is still in the House bill. So we are going to continue our efforts in August expressing our opposition to the public plan both in rallies and ad campaigns."

The conservative grassroots effort has been equally robust. An aide to Sen. Mark Warner, (D-Va.), confirmed that the Virginia Democrat has received far more communiqués opposing the president's plan and specific proposals than he has received in support.

"Our 'con' column is a lot more than the 'pro,'" the aide said. "There have been hundreds of people who are against the plan or any specific part of it compared to dozens for it. And that was only in the last week."

There won't be an absence of specifics to fight over in the coming weeks. Reid said the Senate Finance Committee will mark up its legislation before the August break -- so the Senate can vote on it once its members return to town. Meanwhile, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said her chamber remains on schedule to consider a bill before the break.

Going forward, strategists predict that attention will center on the House bill, which is widely considered not quite ready for prime time specifically because of insufficient cost-cutting measures.

One thing that remains to be seen is how long Blue Dog Democrats will continue to withhold their support, particularly within the Energy and Commerce Committee. And progressives aren't entirely enthused with the current legislative outlines, either, although for the time being they are taking solace from the commitment the House bill makes to wellness, prevention and new frameworks for negotiations with pharmaceutical companies and medical equipment makers.

Thursday's announcement from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, (D-Nev.) that the full U.S. Senate would not consider health care legislation until after the August recess will likely make the next mo...
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- Artemis34 I'm a Fan of Artemis34 205 fans permalink
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For all our conservative friends,

If you accept 'there is no such thing as a free lunch" then you know that you are already paying for the uninsured. I'm sure you know I'm quoting the conservative idol, economist Milton Friedman.

For those who are afraid to pay a tax,

You are already paying a tax called health care price inflation. Inflation is the worst kind of taxation and that is what we get with conservatives.

I know you think "Well, I have money, it won't happen to me." I'm sure that was what Christopher Reeves thought right up to the point he has to sue his insurance company for care. With astronomical price increases, even the wealthy can be ruined in the private system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 07/24/2009
- MataHari007 I'm a Fan of MataHari007 100 fans permalink
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Conservador-Rebelde, I thought you might find this interesting. In one of my religious studies classes I learned that Mormons live longer than any other group of people in the United States. In fact, we were told that life insurance companies use LDS members as benchmarks for their policies since they have such long lives. Speaks well of your religion in that respect to be sure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 AM on 07/24/2009
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Well thanks, I never knew that. I suspect it might have something to do with our Word of Wisdom, (not drinking, smoking, etc.), but that is definitely cool to know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 AM on 07/24/2009
- MataHari007 I'm a Fan of MataHari007 100 fans permalink
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Actually, I suspect you're right, and it is an interesting tidbit. If you belong to the LDS church you're much more likely to have a longer than average life, which is doubly nice for you I am happy to say. If your religion makes you happy, and it can be said to show that it may result in long life, you will in fact have a long and happy life most likely. A happy thought indeed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 AM on 07/24/2009
- flossophy I'm a Fan of flossophy 363 fans permalink
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SueInCA:

matahari,
flossophy is not a rational person, he posts the sameshitoverandover and never answers any real questions. when the rich are taxed as much as the rest of us, then he can talk. Bush pushed through 3 tax cuts for the wealthiest in his first term in office. according to flossophy that is good. the rest of us got a 600 check last year

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flossophy

The rich pay the lion's share of tax revenue... the poor pay next to nothing in income taxes (and that's how it should be).

The left whips you up into ha`ting a minority... don't be such a pawn.

Think of the Left as S0mali pirates... who are attempting to use rhetoric and 'morality' to confiscate the wealth of the producers. Interesting thought, huh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 AM on 07/24/2009
- Artemis34 I'm a Fan of Artemis34 205 fans permalink
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Poor and working class people pay far more their income in taxes.

Look at social security. It is a regressive tax. And if you make over $106K then every penny over is untaxed.

If you have capital gains (unearned income) which most wealthy do, you are paying 15%, if you haven't already hidden it off shore.

And if anyone is "confiscating wealth" it is the wealthy. They've engaged in the biggest "transfer of wealth" over the last 8 years and they've done it on the backs of working people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 AM on 07/24/2009
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Spot on

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 AM on 07/24/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 74 fans permalink

no ......wealth has been created by taking risks and investing

social security benefits top out based on the 106k.........why should i pay any more tax for no more benefits

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 AM on 07/24/2009
- Tulka2 I'm a Fan of Tulka2 286 fans permalink
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This goes to style and not to substance.

The next time the headline writer is tempted to use the god-awful adverb "embarrassingly" which must make poor Gertrude Stein spin in her grave, please use "cringe-making" instead. As in "Gordon Liddy is cringe-making in his attempt to defend birthers".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 AM on 07/24/2009
- flossophy I'm a Fan of flossophy 363 fans permalink
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I'm not a b|rth3r...

But wouldn't this be the story of the c e n t u r y ?

Aren't you at least a smidgen interested in this one? What would humanity do? It would be FAR w0rse than Wawa-ga+e................................................

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 AM on 07/24/2009
- Tulka2 I'm a Fan of Tulka2 286 fans permalink
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Hope you have gone to the Comedy Central site and watched Jon Stewart's "evisceration" of the Birthers. Assume you are not one because even you see the silliness inherent? Read carefully:

It makes no matter where Obama was born because his mother was an American citizen which makes him automatically an American citizen. Unless they were plotting from the beginning to make him president.....????!!! LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 07/24/2009
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Obama Deals Made with Corporatists would leave cost of $1 TRILLION

Strong Public Option SAVES $150 BILLION!

So which deal do you want?

Difference = $1.15 Trillion

Obama Deal: "The nation's hospitals have agreed to forgo $155 billion in government health-care reimbursements, and drug companies promised $80 billion, to help keep the cost of President Obama's health-care reform plan under $1 trillion." PEANUTS!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 AM on 07/24/2009
- GypsyRose I'm a Fan of GypsyRose 58 fans permalink

I don't want a deal, Philip. That's the problem: Terminology.

We want Reform.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 AM on 07/24/2009
- Artemis34 I'm a Fan of Artemis34 205 fans permalink
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Regarding Government Financial "Concerns:"

If there were a real concern about finances, we would ONLY be talking about universal single payer which is proven to be the most cost effective means of supplying quality care.

If we were really concerned about money, we’d have allowed the government to negotiate volume discounts, a fine capitalist concept, in Medicare Part D.

I don’t want to hear about financial concerns.

I want health care for PEOPLE, NOT FOR PROFITS!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 07/24/2009
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I've got a question about the presser:

Did anyone notice this?

"The remaining one-third [cost to pay for health-care] is about what the argument has been about of late.

The one commitment that I've been clear about is I don't want that final one-third of the cost of health care to be COMPLETELY shouldered on the backs of middle class families who are already struggling in a difficult economy.

And so, if I see a proposal that is PRIMARILY funded through taxing middle class families, I'm going to be opposed to that because I think there are better ideas to do it. "

He is backing off his promise not to raise taxes on the middle-class. He doesn't want the last one-third "completely" shouldered by middle-class, but he's fine with SOME shouldering. He doesn't want the money coming "primarily" from taxing middle-class families, but he didn't say he won't raise their taxes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 AM on 07/24/2009
- MataHari007 I'm a Fan of MataHari007 100 fans permalink
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Oh my! Bad timing. Sorry that you caught me religion bashing. It wasn't to annoy you. I saved a post I sent you from before.

Conservador-Rebelde
I can agree with your second statement.
I'd like to apologize for being rude to you. I should realize that you have every right to disagree with me, and I have every right to disagree with you. I shouldn't have started acting immaturely, as I know it won't accomplish anything.
Please do accept my apologies, as I revoke all my offensive remarks. If only there were a way I could remove them.
Anyhow, I'm off. I've got many errands to take care of.
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Apology accepted! Please accept mine in turn. Peace works for me. I can easily work with that. So mote it be.

I feel bad that you showed up during a spat I had with someone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 AM on 07/24/2009
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Oh that's fine. I read your comment earlier and I'm glad you accepted my apology. I do wonder why you dislike religion so much, but I understand if that is a private thing. I hope it isn't because of people like me making stewpid remarks that might offend you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 AM on 07/24/2009
- flossophy I'm a Fan of flossophy 363 fans permalink
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[responding to allamericanmale]

MataHari007:
Then please don't say you'll pray for me, even if Jes`us said to pray for your enemies. I don't want prayers.
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rocketman69:
How about a finger, then?
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flossophy:
*Marked as Fave*
Sorry, Mata
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flossophy:
I won't pray for you... but let me tell ya. Your 'enemies' are not the Xians.

The Pr0gressives and S0cial Democrats here and around the world are causing more economic & social hav0c than the Chr|stians could ever do in their wildest Compassionate Crusaderist dreams.

Mata, you're focused on the wrong boogiemen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 AM on 07/24/2009
- MataHari007 I'm a Fan of MataHari007 100 fans permalink
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What kind of objectivist are you? Religion is poison. You know that. Why would you support someone offering me a 'finger?' It's meaning was not kind. Granted neither was mine, but when someone uses religion as a defense then they'll get no love from me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 AM on 07/24/2009
- flossophy I'm a Fan of flossophy 363 fans permalink
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I'm a pluralist objectivist ist... too many ists...

I just thought the finger comment was funny and well timed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 AM on 07/24/2009
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Sweet, huh? C.hEk. 0.Ut. *i$.t.oR.E.E., e.ezez.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 AM on 07/24/2009
- MataHari007 I'm a Fan of MataHari007 100 fans permalink
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Trust me. Xtians are my enemy for more reasons than one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 AM on 07/24/2009
- flossophy I'm a Fan of flossophy 363 fans permalink
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Well, I'm sure they don't mean to be.. most of them are pretty nice.

But it seems you've been hurt by a Xian at some point in your life...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 AM on 07/24/2009
- Artemis34 I'm a Fan of Artemis34 205 fans permalink
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Mahatma Ghandi once said "I like your Jesus Christ, it is your Christians I do not like."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 AM on 07/24/2009
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I hope you don't consider me an enemy.
;-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 AM on 07/24/2009
- MataHari007 I'm a Fan of MataHari007 100 fans permalink
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PeaceKitten, I post this on your behalf.

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We know what is important to the social-climbing, money-grubbing Scarianna:

“Tiiiiiii-im Geithner is the place to be”
“Viiiiii-in dictiveness the life for me”

“Threeeeeeads spreading out so far and wide”
“Keep the true news, gimme the tabloid side.”

“Vaaaaaaaaaall STREET is where I’d rather stay”
“I get allergic smelling hay”

“I just adore a Bel-Air view”
“Michael, he banked me, he he gave me the Huffers, too.”

“THE B0RES!”

“THE WH0RES!”

“HUFFF P0ST”

“TR0LLS THERE”

“You were my wife”
“Now I control life”

“Tim Geithner we are there!”

dun dun dun dun dun DUN DUN

http://frogmatters.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/green-acres4.jpg

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 AM on 07/24/2009
- peacekitten I'm a Fan of peacekitten 640 fans permalink
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OMG!!!!! that's made me laugh so hard i hurt!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 AM on 07/24/2009
- MataHari007 I'm a Fan of MataHari007 100 fans permalink
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I can't take credit. It's Volvo's creation, but I figured you'd like it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 AM on 07/24/2009
- Beachchick I'm a Fan of Beachchick 370 fans permalink
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The Right places no value on society but society has value.

Taxes need to be paid in order to maintain a civilized society, and the tax burden needs to be fairly distributed to maintain democracy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 AM on 07/24/2009
- flossophy I'm a Fan of flossophy 363 fans permalink
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Taxes are paid to maintain an enlarged bureaucracy and a permanent political class... and you're not getting your money's worth.

The tax burden is not distributed fairly... the wealthy pay the vast majority of taxes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 AM on 07/24/2009
- Artemis34 I'm a Fan of Artemis34 205 fans permalink
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The president makes $400K

Whereas the head of United "Health Care" (UHC) was given over $1 Billion, one guy, as his reward for profiting from suffering, for denying life saving care and for robbing us of our premiums.

1) The president (and all the government) are a bargain.

2) I trust them more as public servants.

We cannot trust private industry with our health.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 AM on 07/24/2009
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Spoken like a true libretarian.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 AM on 07/24/2009
- MataHari007 I'm a Fan of MataHari007 100 fans permalink
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New Main - health care one

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 AM on 07/24/2009
- peacekitten I'm a Fan of peacekitten 640 fans permalink
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this place is FU CKIJNG worthless. i've really had it with them this time.

they've scrubbed a factual, well-written of mine six or seven times without warning.

theycangofuckthemselveswithdickcheney'sdick.

free speech my a $ $.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 AM on 07/24/2009
- MataHari007 I'm a Fan of MataHari007 100 fans permalink
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I know exactly how you feel. It's horrible. I've never had this trouble on mediamatters.org or tp.org. Here they are oppressive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 AM on 07/24/2009
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A peaceful person?!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 AM on 07/24/2009
- D-V-H I'm a Fan of D-V-H 427 fans permalink
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No doubt!!! I can understand when we are being profane, but geeeez some of my most reasonable ones go buh-bye.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 AM on 07/24/2009
- GypsyRose I'm a Fan of GypsyRose 58 fans permalink

Hey peace, for what it's worth, I think I read the piece that you're referring to and then it went poof. Make sure to keep a copy. Are you or have you posted on FRT?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 AM on 07/24/2009
- MataHari007 I'm a Fan of MataHari007 100 fans permalink
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I think allamericanmale just got his rather unamerican post deleted. Good. NOBODY should be mean to PK.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 AM on 07/24/2009
- GypsyRose I'm a Fan of GypsyRose 58 fans permalink

WHAT? I thought this was one, oh well, deja vous all over again, and again, and again....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 AM on 07/24/2009
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Good Night Friends

Hope you enjoy this link.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=372262

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 AM on 07/24/2009
- MataHari007 I'm a Fan of MataHari007 100 fans permalink
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Good night to you too. I always enjoy your links.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 AM on 07/24/2009
- D-V-H I'm a Fan of D-V-H 427 fans permalink
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Night UAP

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 AM on 07/24/2009
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Thanks KQuark, France with the #1 healthcare has the highest tax misery index...is that what we want?

We are actually towards the bottom of the list and have the highest corporate taxes for the most part. So now what do we do, lower taxes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 AM on 07/24/2009
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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Don't throw straw men at me. I would like Japan's system. It's a hybrid system that fits our culture and tax burden better and they are #6 in healthcare in the world.

Funny how all you trolls want to be like Chinese business though and they have the second highest tax burden in the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 AM on 07/24/2009
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Now is the time for backpeddling? You have been posting #37 all night, and France at #1 yet they have major problems, who is being a man here?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 AM on 07/24/2009

Need more info! I was suggesting a co-op system earlier but have not found anymore info about it. Is Japans system similiar to the co-op system that I am suggesting?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 AM on 07/24/2009
- Beachchick I'm a Fan of Beachchick 370 fans permalink
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Tax misery? Let me guess, A Heritage or Cato term. You guys are killing me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 AM on 07/24/2009
- Chaimirija I'm a Fan of Chaimirija 56 fans permalink
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France also has the highest rate of productivity in the world...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 AM on 07/24/2009
- Artemis34 I'm a Fan of Artemis34 205 fans permalink
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Certainly highly productive. Here is the OECD measurement:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/OECD_Productivity_levels_2007.svg

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 PM on 07/24/2009
- Artemis34 I'm a Fan of Artemis34 205 fans permalink
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But they aren't miserable, they are happy! Countries with good national health care rate high in the happiness index. The Danes win!

So, they are just making up the "misery" part.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 07/24/2009
- D-V-H I'm a Fan of D-V-H 427 fans permalink
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Mmmmmmmmmmm that was yummy.
I just had some refried porkrinds dipped in baconnaise. Now that's some Merican food.
Check out my latest pic.

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n260/traci_michele/anorexia.jpg

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 AM on 07/24/2009
- MataHari007 I'm a Fan of MataHari007 100 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 AM on 07/24/2009
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So all those happy we are #37, is that report bunk? France is #1, and they have serious problems on the horizon. Yes, no?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 AM on 07/24/2009
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