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First Posted: 07-24-09 02:25 PM   |   Updated: 07-24-09 06:51 PM

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Health care reform negotiations in the House, which had collapsed in an acrimonious heap earlier Friday, are now back on.

Two Democrats who had been at odds -- Energy and Commerce Chairman Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) and leading Blue Dog Mike Ross (D-Ark.) -- emerged from a closed-door meeting late in the afternoon and told reporters that talks were back on track and that the committee would resume its business Monday or Tuesday.

"We've had a very good meeting of the Democrats on our committee. We've decided that it's important for us to continue our conversations and to try to bridge the differences we have had," said Waxman. Ross concurred.

"Our colleagues have pulled us back and said, 'Let's see if we can take a deep breath,'" Waxman offered.

Tempers flared throughout the day, with one Blue Dog accusing Waxman of lying during negotiations and Ross saying that there was no chance for a deal.

"It pretty much fell apart this afternoon," Ross told reporters earlier, blaming Waxman for taking an overly hard line with the balking Blue Dogs at a meeting. The Blue Dogs thought they had agreement on an independent commission to reduce Medicare reimbursement rates, known as MedPac, and on using Senate HELP Committee language to create a public option that Americans could buy in to, Ross said. But Waxman came into the meeting and said both were off the table, according to Ross.

"That leaves the chairman with not enough votes to get the bill out of committee," said Ross.

Waxman has also suggested he was willing to go around the Blue Dogs in his committee if necessary.

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A reporter asked Ross as he walked on to the House floor: "So there's no possibility of a deal now?"

"No," he said firmly.

"I've been lied to," said Rep. Charlie Melancon (D-La.), another leading Blue Dog. "I have not had legitimate negotiations. They've accused us of sabotaging health care. We are not."

Melancon said that Waxman told a Blue Dog member in the back of the chamber on Thursday night that the so-called MedPac deal would be difficult to complete because liberals were pushing back against the idea. "He told Mr. Ross that the liberals wouldn't do it," he said.

But, added Melancon, "I just talked with a liberal who told me the Blue Dogs gave [Waxman] pushback and that's why they thought it was us," he said.

Melancon couldn't confirm what Ross said about the public option argument because he had stormed out of the meeting by then. "I think that's when I was trying to keep from blowing up," he said.

Melancon said Pelosi doesn't have the votes yet to pass health care reform. "I think in the Blue Dogs, I think there'd be 40 to 45 solid nos, is my guess. I haven't whipped it," he said. "I think if you get outside the Blue Dogs you've got way more than 40. I think that number would hold firm."

There are 51 Blue Dogs. With 256 Democrats in the House, 40 nos would leave the bill just shy of the 218 needed for passage.

Paradoxically, the flaring tempers actually indicate that negotiations are moving forward and that there are now very concrete policy items to fight over in public.

That battle continues. At about 3:45 Friday afternoon, as the Energy and Commerce meeting was underway, the doors to the room flung open. An exiting staffer told the waiting reporters: "'Staff, get out.' That's all they said."

Jeff Muskus contributed reporting


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Health care reform negotiations in the House, which had collapsed in an acrimonious heap earlier Friday, are now back on. Two Democrats who had been at odds -- Energy and Commerce Chairman Henry Wax...
Health care reform negotiations in the House, which had collapsed in an acrimonious heap earlier Friday, are now back on. Two Democrats who had been at odds -- Energy and Commerce Chairman Henry Wax...
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- LeeCalif I'm a Fan of LeeCalif 65 fans permalink

Bluedog / Turncoats.

Remember their names !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 07/26/2009

Take a look at this site which explains in pretty basic terms how other countries structure their healthcare system. I think you will see that there are many countries where there is a 2 tiered system. That is what could happen here. Those who can pay will have access to the better doctors which now most of us can access. THat is not because doctors are greedy, they just want to be well compensated for their skill, intelligence, and years of expensive training.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-tier_health_care

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 07/26/2009

I do not have health insurance. I do not want health insurance. If I need to go to a doctor, I will pay for it out of my pocket. That Barack Oboma wants me to spend 2000$ a year or be fined 1000$ for something I dont want, I find despicable. I hate everything about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 07/26/2009
- TN60 I'm a Fan of TN60 117 fans permalink
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http://journals.democraticunderground.com/seafan/3227

Nate Silver calls out the "Dogs" and their disingenious arguements. My take is that they should all take an extended vacation, like forever, if they don't get in line with their President and true health reform.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 07/26/2009
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Why don't the Democrats have someone besides Conrad out there speaking for Health Care? He is there pushing the CO-OP Health Plan. That is this year's Health Maintenance (HMO) plan or a subterfuge to keep the Health Industry in-charge.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 07/26/2009
- IowaKid I'm a Fan of IowaKid 18 fans permalink
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Blue Dogs summed up in one word greed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 AM on 07/26/2009
- einstein10 I'm a Fan of einstein10 43 fans permalink

Just saw this video. INCREDIBLE!

"So far, the best argument for single-payer health care I've heard was given by President Obama's own family physician:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wsPZsEYuok

The fact that he was invited by ABC to ask a question at Obama's forum, but then dis-invited later suggests that someone had a reason to keep him from entering the discussion."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 07/26/2009
- spinns17 I'm a Fan of spinns17 35 fans permalink

walmart dems most go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 AM on 07/26/2009
- spinns17 I'm a Fan of spinns17 35 fans permalink

blue pups better get on the train .chooo choooo

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 07/26/2009
- Poorsarah I'm a Fan of Poorsarah 47 fans permalink
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What do they have to "think" about? Hmmmm...let's see! The USA's current healthcare system is ranked 37th...by the World Health Organizati­on...based on solid emperical data. We ain't #1 by any stretch of the imagination!!! It will actually cost our nation much more money to leave the failed healthcare system as is. Many workplaces in our DO NOT offer healthcare coverage anymore because HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES have jacked the cost up. Many honest USA workers cannot afford adequate health coverage out of their own pockets simply for the fact that employers are not paying them a livable wage to be able to do so. Again; what are these "blue noses" waiting for???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 07/25/2009
- mannapat I'm a Fan of mannapat 4 fans permalink

Democrats have the power to bring about real health care improvements for all Americans: House of Representatives, Senate, and President. With all that, if they can't accomplish at least a good public health option without delay (no triggers), then why bother voting for Democrats? I'm going to stick with them for now, till I see what happens. But if they can't get their act together by 2010, then I'm going Independent, along with a good portion of the "base". And I wouldn't be surprised if many Republicans don't defect from the "Party of NO", also. It's time we hired Representatives who actually do just that. Our new motto can be: "Recognize the name?...Vote for the other guy!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 PM on 07/25/2009
- pcplz I'm a Fan of pcplz 7 fans permalink
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Blue Dogs need Rhambo to create Black and Blue Dogs.

Done deal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 07/25/2009
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I wish we would call them "DAWGS" as it reflects BADLY on "MAN and WOMEN's Best Friends!"

They do not deserve anything but "DAWG" in their NAME!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 PM on 07/25/2009
- Thabit I'm a Fan of Thabit 16 fans permalink

At what point do we stop calling these so called Blue Dog Democrats Democrats and just call them acording to how they vote . If they vote republican CALL THEM REPUBLICANS ! And to be acurrate it would be better to call them Red Dog Democrats or to call leftist repubs Blue Dog Republicans meaning they vote against the majority of their party

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 07/25/2009
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I wish we would call them "DAWGS" as it reflects BADLY on "MAN and WOMEN's Best Friends!"

They do not deserve anything but "DAWG" in their NAME!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 07/25/2009
- NHGranite I'm a Fan of NHGranite 55 fans permalink
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No public health coverage is bankrupting our country. The headline in our local paper says the Ambulance drivers are seeing more uninsured. It's not just the unemployed: it's working middle class folks struggling to keep up the mortgage with work benefits cut. They don't have enough money to see a doctor or get prescription refills, and don't have transportation to get to the emergency room. So they wait till they are really sick and call the ambulance just to get treatment. This is just so wrong. The best country on earth cannot take care of people? While the bankers get trillions and insurance execs continue to get their outrageous bonuses? Trust me, the newspaper is not a left wing rag, even though the name is Foster's Daily Democrat!
http://fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090724/GJNEWS_01/707249911.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 07/25/2009
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$1.3 TRILLION IN SAVINGS just from covering the UNINSURED! REVENUE POSITIVE!
[Source lj9283 Thanks] This must be read and UNDERSTOOD!

In 2008 the costs for the 47 million uninsured were $87 Billion.

Project that out for ten years and assume no increase in health care costs and no additional uninsured and the 10 year cost would be $870 Billion.

Medical bad debt (not part of the uninsured) in 2007 was 25.4 Billion of non collectible money, an increase of 9.5% over 2006. Project that out with a 9.5% increase each year for the next ten years and you have a total of nearly $433 Billion of bad debt.

$870 Billion + $443 Billion is over $1.3 Trillion if we do nothing.

It will cost us $1.2 Trillion if we do something.

Sources: Costs for the Uninsured - The Uninsured: A Primer (2008)
http://www.kff.org/uninsured/upload/7451-04.pdf

Convert $4,500 Emergency Room Visits to a $100 Doctor Visits!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 07/25/2009
- Tulka2 I'm a Fan of Tulka2 236 fans permalink
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You cannot help but notice in the arguments against health care reform runs the mean strain of American Puritanism. It's a bitter little kernel that infects at least a third of the electorate. The very idea that someone might get "something for nothing" makes their minds recoil on principle. Oh, they are easy minions for the rich. If such Republican minions had their way, bird-feeders would be forbidden and we would take the dirt out from under the lilies of the field.

No matter when hard numbers are provided proving universal health care would save the taxpayers so much money and greatly restore the economy. Never mind when it's pointed out that health care is infrastructure like roads and bridges that free people up to make money.

No, these Puritans gladly, enthusiastically cut off their noses to spite their faces.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 07/25/2009
- ChelseaC I'm a Fan of ChelseaC 147 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 07/25/2009
- Tulka2 I'm a Fan of Tulka2 236 fans permalink
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Highly reccomended. Thank you for posting the link.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 07/25/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 68 fans permalink

no i just don't want to pay for the lazy and indigent any more

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 07/25/2009
- Tulka2 I'm a Fan of Tulka2 236 fans permalink
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Thank you for drawing the illustration to go with my comment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 07/25/2009
- neocon666 I'm a Fan of neocon666 66 fans permalink

Since most people who now have inadequate or no healthcare WORK at more than one job, that's just a con-radio, strawman statement. Then again, since the republicans are morally superior, and channel Jesus in everthing they do, I guess he would be against universal healthcare too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 07/25/2009
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You are paying NOW at the rate of $1.3 Trillion/over TEN Years for their Emergency Room Visits and other care!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 07/25/2009

After living myself for many years in numerous countries with a "National Health Service", I can promise you that it WILL reduce health care costs considerably in the Private Health Care Industry, allow you the choice of paying for Private Medicine and immediate treatment or accepting a potential delay in your surgery or similar and opting for the Govt, National Health Care System. USA is sinking lower and lower against the rest of the world in the level health care of it's citizens (check this for yourself please ) as a result of being unwilling to accept the efficiencies of a real choice in their Health Care. These so called "Blue Dogs" may sink this chance at health care reform and even the economy itself. (I still can't believe one of their positions is they want to steal coverage from the Medicare retirees) Get it done NOW, while you still can, perfect it later.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:18 PM on 07/25/2009
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There is a MOTIVE and it is GREED!

The GREED MACHINES IN AMERICA must be stopped before there is NO AMERICA!

Single-Payer is Optimal!

If we don't get Single-Payer the ENTIRE GREED MACHINE CULTURE must be dismantled!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 07/25/2009
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