Biden Russia Remarks Hit A Nerve In Moscow

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LYNN BERRY | 07/27/09 12:16 PM | AP

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U.S. Vice President Joe Biden is seen before his departure from Georgia, in Tbilisi, Thursday, July 23, 2009. Biden arrived Wednesday in the former Soviet republic a year after its war with Russia. (AP Photo/ Irakli Gedenidze, Presidential Press Service, Pool)

MOSCOW — An interview U.S. Vice President Joe Biden gave to an American newspaper was front-page news Monday in Moscow, where his characterization of Russia as a weakened nation hit a raw nerve.

Biden said Russia's economic difficulties are likely to make the Kremlin more willing to cooperate with the United States on a range of national security issues.

"I think we vastly underestimate the hand that we hold," he said in an interview to The Wall Street Journal published Saturday.

Biden's comments appeared to catch the Kremlin by surprise, coming less than three weeks after President Barack Obama said on a visit to Moscow that the U.S. wants to see a "strong, peaceful and prosperous Russia."

"It raises the question: Who is shaping U.S. foreign policy? The president or members of his team, even the most respected ones?" said Kremlin foreign policy adviser Sergei Prikhodko.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs on Monday downplayed suggestions that Biden was setting a different U.S. policy from that laid out by the president.

When asked whether Obama thought Biden had gone too far in his remarks, Gibbs said the president stated his views on Russia during his recent visit and the vice president agrees with those views.

Gibbs said both leaders believe Russia will do its part to improve relations with the U.S.

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Most Russian newspapers put Biden's interview on their front pages Monday, with headlines casting doubt on Washington's commitment to forge a more constructive relationship with Moscow.

"Joe Biden unexpectedly returned to the rhetoric of the previous Bush administration," the newspaper Kommersant wrote.

Moskovsky Komsomolets said Biden, with his "boorish openness," showed what the Obama administration really thinks about Russia. "We should respond to the Yankees in the same way," the newspaper wrote. "Any other language, unfortunately or fortunately, they do not understand."

The papers jumped on Biden's comments about Russia's demographic and economic problems.

"They have a shrinking population base, they have a withering economy, they have a banking sector and structure that is not likely to be able to withstand the next 15 years, they're in a situation where the world is changing before them and they're clinging to something in the past that is not sustainable," Biden said in the interview.

Some newspapers and commentators noted that Russians say the same things about themselves. The question, they said, was why Biden made the comments so quickly after this month's summit by Obama and President Dmitry Medvedev, and after Biden's own trip last week to Ukraine and Georgia, former Soviet republics whose growing ties to the West are deeply resented in Moscow.

Sergei Rogov, director of the government-funded USA and Canada Institute, was quoted in Kommersant as saying the interview was aimed in part at addressing criticism in the U.S. that the Obama administration was too soft on Russia.

Some commentators said it was wrong to see Biden as diverging from the policy set by Obama, as suggested by Prikhodko.

Biden was most likely expressing Washington's "Plan B," said Vladimir Milov, a former deputy energy minister who now heads his own think tank. If the Kremlin proves unwilling to compromise, the United States was likely to reduce relations to a minimum and push Moscow to the periphery of world politics, Milov wrote in the online Gazeta.ru.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton made an apparent effort Sunday to reassure Moscow, saying on NBC "Meet the Press" that the administration considers Russia to be a "great power."

"Every country faces challenges," she said. "We have our challenges, Russia has their challenges. There are certain issues that Russia has to deal with on its own."

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Associated Press writer Julie Pace in Washington contributed to this report.

MOSCOW — An interview U.S. Vice President Joe Biden gave to an American newspaper was front-page news Monday in Moscow, where his characterization of Russia as a weakened nation hit a raw nerve.
MOSCOW — An interview U.S. Vice President Joe Biden gave to an American newspaper was front-page news Monday in Moscow, where his characterization of Russia as a weakened nation hit a raw nerve.
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- SparkyDash I'm a Fan of SparkyDash 44 fans permalink
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I posted this on the vacation thread, but wanted to ask some commenters:

You do understand the role of VP, right? Joe Biden can and should say things that our president can not and should not for obvious reasons. Nor can the Secretary of State make "honest" comments for obviously diplomatic reasons.

Mr. Biden is doing his job, and naturally getting hit hard for it, but it is part of his role and he has great experience with the world and of course foreign policy. Some intelligentsia consider this good cop bad cop.

The world is a complicated place. We mortals could never play the game. Love ya, Joe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 AM on 08/08/2009

Russian women, right now in the millions, are willing to marry strangers just to get out of Russia. Google Russian women and see for yourself. Everything Biden said was 100% true, and he easily could have gone further. What is it about the truth that make some people cringe?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 07/28/2009
- LizM I'm a Fan of LizM 50 fans permalink

That is an excellent question.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 07/28/2009
- SparkyDash I'm a Fan of SparkyDash 44 fans permalink
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Good post.

People cringe because they were fed pablum the last eight years to induce docility and lack of curiosity. Sudden, unvarnished truth of the real world forces us to think and understand. Scary.

It became too comfortable numbing to be told "Shhhhhh..­.Don't think now...ever­ything will be okay...jus­t let us take care of everything­." Lordy...le­t's pull our heads out of the sand (or wherever they may be stuck.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 07/28/2009
- ddDinah I'm a Fan of ddDinah 22 fans permalink

LOL, Joe, Joe, bad boy, telling the truth about how O truly feels is a BIG, NO, NO. LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 AM on 07/28/2009
- bluemike I'm a Fan of bluemike 5 fans permalink

Thank God Obama's the president, rather than Biden or clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 AM on 07/28/2009
- adamnb I'm a Fan of adamnb 3 fans permalink

What kind of diplomacy is this supposed to be? Even if it's true that Russia's economy is struggling, what does it get us by making this a public declaration? Is Joe Biden doing a poor man's imitation of Cheney?
If this is the re-set we've been promised, it sure doesn't look it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 AM on 07/28/2009
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Not being sarcastic.­..did you read the WSJ interview?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 AM on 07/28/2009
- Raster I'm a Fan of Raster 23 fans permalink

Yes Russia alone is not a world-beater. But Russia + China is a different story. Read some serious background analysis at: www.atimes.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 AM on 07/28/2009
- scubalady I'm a Fan of scubalady 3 fans permalink
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The other thing that could make people in Moscow raise their highbrows is another excerpt of the interview:
On whether Russia will agree not to treat former Soviet republics as its "sphere of influence":

"I don't expect the Russians to embrace -- particularly this government, particularly Putin -- to embrace the notion that [they should] reject a sphere of influence. But I do expect them to understand we don't accept a sphere of influence.­"
The USA don't accept a sphere of influence? A big country treating the less powerful ones in the area like vassals or private backyards is totally unacceptable. The USA won't tolerate it. Never. Nowhere.
That one was better than the "withering economy"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 07/28/2009
- LizM I'm a Fan of LizM 50 fans permalink

It's a new day in America, don'tcha know!? :-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 AM on 07/28/2009
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Under new management.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 AM on 07/28/2009
- LizM I'm a Fan of LizM 50 fans permalink

Apparently, the Russian leadership and an overwhelming majority of the American people, including the media and blogosphere, need to seriously grow up. The world is a tough place - learn to deal with it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 07/27/2009
- SparkyDash I'm a Fan of SparkyDash 44 fans permalink
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We do indeed have a few too many pansies...­far too many for my taste, but the rare stalwart bird is a site to behold. Worth any price of admission.

I question if the blogosphere helps or hinders.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 PM on 07/27/2009
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Checked down the thread for you two...asid­e from SD, spines appear to be missing.

Take care!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 PM on 07/27/2009
- Glocksf21 I'm a Fan of Glocksf21 19 fans permalink
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AH HAA HA HAAAAA That Joe he just cracks me up...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 07/27/2009

The question is - why is Joseph Biden being permitted to trod the globe,complicating US foreign policy objectives with his ill-considered utterances?

A glaring weakness in this administration's foreign affairs efforts is the impression that there are too many cooks in the kitchen, all vying for dominance. This chaotic structure does little help to further American interests abroad.

The Secretary of State should be allowed to do her job as the president's chief diplomat; otherwise she might well consider leaving this ship to flounder on its own.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 07/27/2009
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 64 fans permalink

The question is where is that expertise in international affairs that convinced the Dems that Joe should be on the ballot? I agree that Hillary should be allowed to do her job, but maybe this is one of those times when the plan is---Everybody's baby is nobody's baby. Think there will be some blame time soon?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 07/27/2009
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Oh goody, someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. Pat yourself on the back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 07/27/2009
- sc300nc I'm a Fan of sc300nc 55 fans permalink

When Obama chose Joe as his running mate, I knew right then that Obama lacked good decision making skills. Joe is making my point on a regular basis.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 07/27/2009
- jazabelz I'm a Fan of jazabelz 19 fans permalink

Oh sure -- and you voted for Palin!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 07/27/2009
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 64 fans permalink

You go, Joe. Far, far away. Please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 07/27/2009
- SparkyDash I'm a Fan of SparkyDash 44 fans permalink
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who38, I see you on a new Biden thread, and spewing the same negativity by attacking the VP. All are aware you have a personal issue with Biden, as you spend much too much time attacking him. Opinions are just that, and comments of all sorts are encouraged on all threads, as they should be. But I don't believe HP is set up for one individual to take over a thread and attack one person continually, on and on and on and on. Attacking anyone, especially on this blog, is not encouraged. Others have been banned doing so. What is your agenda?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 07/27/2009
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WOOT WOOT SparkyDash! The last thread was bad too. Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 07/27/2009
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 64 fans permalink

If you look at my posts, I have not attacked Joe. I have merely pointed out his shortcomings, as have many others. I truly believe that he needs to act in a more diplomatic manner. Is there anything wrong with that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 07/27/2009
- Artos I'm a Fan of Artos 82 fans permalink

Given Bidens remarks and the predictable results in Russia, I can only ask, "Who is the President?". Has Biden become the Democrats version of Dick Cheney. If so we are in trouble.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 07/27/2009
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 64 fans permalink

More like the Dem's version of Dan Quayle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 07/27/2009
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Clever little grasshopper, clever...e­r, not ;-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 07/27/2009
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Wasn't that the intended effect? Anyone who heard or read what Biden had said and didn't expect a withering glance from Russia must be an idiot. Biden just waved a red flag. Is that one of his roles as Veep, playing court jester?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 07/27/2009

Biden said: "They have a shrinking population base, they have a withering economy, they have a banking sector and structure that is not likely to be able to withstand the next 15 years, they're in a situation where the world is changing before them and they're clinging to something in the past that is not sustainable,"

Funny, the Chinese said essentially the same thing to America this morning.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 07/27/2009
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Yes, America should look in the mirror.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 07/27/2009
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 64 fans permalink

And the US responded with......­.........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 07/27/2009
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Loss of words is good to see.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 07/27/2009
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