Senate Finance Committee Dropping Dem Health Goals: AP

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DAVID ESPO | 07/27/09 11:11 PM | AP

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President Barack Obama speaks at the opening of the U.S.-China Strategic and Economic Dialogue in Washington, Monday, July 27, 2009. The meetings are expected to expose sharp differences on trade and soaring U.S. budget deficits. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

WASHINGTON — After weeks of secretive talks, a bipartisan group in the Senate edged closer Monday to a health care compromise that omits two key Democratic priorities but incorporates provisions to slow the explosive rise in medical costs, officials said.

These officials said participants were on track to exclude a requirement many congressional Democrats seek for large businesses to offer coverage to their workers. Nor would there be a provision for a government insurance option, despite President Barack Obama's support for such a plan.

The three Democrats and three Republicans from the Senate Finance Committee were considering a tax of as much as 35 percent on very high-cost insurance policies, part of an attempt to rein in rapid escalation of costs. Also likely to be included in any deal was creation of a commission charged with slowing the growth of Medicare through recommendations that would take effect automatically unless overturned by Congress.

"We're going to get agreement here," Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., the Finance Committee chairman, said Monday. "The group of six really wants to get to 'yes.'"

Obama has outlined two broad goals for legislation he is struggling to win from Congress: expansion of health insurance coverage to millions who lack it, and reining in increases in costs.

Like bills drafted by Democrats, the proposal under discussion by the six Finance Committee members would bar insurance companies from denying coverage to any applicant. Nor could insurers charge higher premiums on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions.

But it jettisons other core Democratic provisions in a reach for bipartisanship on an issue that has so far produced little.

The effort received a boost during the day from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, normally a close ally of Republicans. In a letter to committee leaders, the business group called for the panel to "act promptly, preferably before" the Senate's scheduled vacation at the end of next week. In doing so, the business organization dealt a blow to the Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky and other GOP lawmakers who have called repeatedly for Democrats to slow down.

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In yet another boost for the drive to enact legislation, PhRMA, which represents drug companies, has purchased more than $500,000 worth of television ads to air during the week in nine states.

Obama's top domestic priority has suffered numerous setbacks in recent weeks, and Republicans have stepped up their criticism. A Senate vote has been postponed until September. Administration and Democratic leaders hope to show significant progress before lawmakers begin their monthlong recess in hopes of regaining momentum.

In the House, the leadership sought to allay concerns among the rank and file. Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said, "We're on schedule to do it now or do it whenever," when asked whether the House would complete its bill before lawmakers leave at the end of the week for their summer break.

A group of seven fiscally conservative House Democrats who've held up action in the key Energy and Commerce Committee by demanding more cost savings and other changes to the House bill met until nearly 11 p.m. with the committee's chairman, Rep. Henry Waxman. Waxman made them an offer intended to address their concerns and they planned to meet Tuesday to decide how to answer, they said, but didn't give details.

In the Senate, officials stressed that no agreement has been reached on a bipartisan measure, and said there is no guarantee of one. They also warned that numerous key issues remain to be settled, including several options to pay for the legislation.

Also unsettled is the question of whether the legislation should address the issue of abortion.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity, saying they were not authorized to discuss matters under private negotiations.

They said any legislation that emerges from the talks is expected to provide for a nonprofit cooperative to sell insurance in competition with private industry, rather than giving the federal government a role in the marketplace.

Obama and numerous Democrats in Congress have called for a government option to provide competition to private companies and hold down costs. White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said during the day, "I don't believe that the president has come down (on) one versus the other in terms of denoting co-ops equal to or above public option."

One of the senators involved in the talks, Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, confirmed that co-ops are the preferred approach. "It's safe to say that'll probably remain in the final document," she said.

Officials also said a bipartisan compromise would not subject large companies to a penalty if they declined to offer coverage to their workers. Instead, these businesses would be required to reimburse the government for part or all of any federal subsidies designed to help lower-income employees obtain insurance on their own.

"We don't want to undermine (employer coverage) or create a perverse incentive where employers potentially drop coverage because their employees can get subsidies," Snowe said.

Democratic-drafted legislation in the House includes both a penalty and a requirement for large companies to share in the cost of covering employees.

The senators involved in the negotiations are all members of the Senate Finance Committee, and include Baucus and Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, the senior Republican. Others participating are Democratic Sens. Kent Conrad of North Dakota and Jeff Bingaman of New Mexico, and Republicans Snowe and Mike Enzi of Wyoming.

They have met for hours in recent weeks in Baucus' office, joined by aides and outside advisers such as actuaries summoned to explain arcane details of insurance. Douglas Elmendorf, head of the Congressional Budget Office, has also attended.

Baucus has been under intense pressure from the White House and Senate Democrats in recent weeks to convene the committee to vote out legislation. He has so far declined to do so, opting to give the bipartisan negotiations as much time as needed to succeed.

Several Democratic officials have said he recently pledged to Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., that the committee would meet next week to vote on legislation, a timetable that implies time is growing short for the bipartisan group to wrap up its work.

Much of the cost of the proposal would come from curbing the growth in fees to insurance companies and other providers under Medicare.

But congressional aides in both parties as well as lobbyists said a proposal limiting Flexible Savings Accounts to $2,000 annually is also a strong possibility. FSAs permit the use of pretax income to pay for items such as health care and child care.

Negotiators also are considering fees on the manufacturers of medical devices and on the makers of both brand name and generic drugs coming onto the market.

To cut down on the cost of the bill, the bipartisan group may include only one year of a long-term plan to adjust reimbursement fees under Medicare.

Officials said the legislation under discussion in a series of private meetings would likely cost under $1 trillion, include an expansion of Medicaid, and provide federal subsidies for individuals and families up to 300 percent of poverty to spread health care more broadly.

Individuals would have a mandate to buy affordable insurance.

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Associated Press writers Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar and Erica Werner contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — After weeks of secretive talks, a bipartisan group in the Senate edged closer Monday to a health care compromise that omits two key Democratic priorities but incorporates provisions...
WASHINGTON — After weeks of secretive talks, a bipartisan group in the Senate edged closer Monday to a health care compromise that omits two key Democratic priorities but incorporates provisions...
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Anytime there's about to be a major change in America, there is always a big fight. However those advocating progress always conquer those who want to remain in the past. Health Care will pass this year whether the obstructionist Republicans like it or not. They can't stop the course of history.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 07/31/2009
- Marlyn I'm a Fan of Marlyn 78 fans permalink
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If everyone is covered then there is NO NEED for INSURANCE because the risk is spread over the whole population.

Insurance is inappropriate for health care. Get insurance out of the system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 07/31/2009
- Marlyn I'm a Fan of Marlyn 78 fans permalink
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"Individuals would have a mandate to buy affordable insurance." ???

ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 07/31/2009
- Marlyn I'm a Fan of Marlyn 78 fans permalink
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"a nonprofit cooperative to sell insurance in competition with private industry, rather than giving the federal government a role in the marketplace." ???

But WHY should the co-op be "instead of a public option"? If they want to try a co-op, fine. But that is no reason to not also have a public option.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 07/31/2009
- cripes I'm a Fan of cripes 3 fans permalink

look at the names below
In my opinion we have three repubs ,and three not so good democrats on the list
there is no such thing as bipartisan in politics

Senate Finance Committee, and include Baucus and Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, the senior Republican. Others participating are Democratic Sens. Kent Conrad of North Dakota and Jeff Bingaman of New Mexico, and Republicans Snowe and Mike Enzi of Wyoming.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 07/31/2009
- cripes I'm a Fan of cripes 3 fans permalink

Well , if it was a cost problem then they would surely go for single payer. So I guess it is about who gets a better deal ,the people or corporate insurance companies.
Insurance company profits are large enough to pay for health care ,dental care and eye care for everyone. So the money is there to pay for our health care . if someone would just guide us to a single payer plan the savings would be great and we could eliminate some cost.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 07/31/2009
- wayne64 I'm a Fan of wayne64 12 fans permalink

Hypothetical...So if I'm 52 years old,unemployed and currently have no health insurance and had a severe heart attack 3 years ago and recently been diagnosed as diabetic....are you telling me I'll be able to skip on down to any Health Insurance company and they can't deny me coverage or charge me any more than a healthy 52 year old?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 07/31/2009
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Sen. Baucus' idea of compromise is the same as building a a car with two round wheels and two square ones -balanced, but ineffective.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 07/30/2009
- dianhow I'm a Fan of dianhow 72 fans permalink

Another idea of our greedy 'elite leaders' was TO take away our pensions and make us SAVE FOR OUR OWN PENSIONS ( 401 K ) SAVING THE ELITE corp fat cats tons of cash- WHILE ALSO HELPED their pals on Wall St immensely. Bush pushed to privatize Social security - to invest
it in stocks - what if we had done that ? where would seniors be now ? in poverty,
Bush said NO to negotiating with big pharma for Part D medicare to protect his ' base '
GOP fought against
1. medicare
2. soc security
3. a min wage law
4. medicaid
do we see a pattern here ? That has been their record- why does anyoine vote for them any more ?
makes NO sense at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 07/30/2009
- MrBadger I'm a Fan of MrBadger 12 fans permalink

We're-gett­ing-screwe­d alert!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 07/30/2009
- dianhow I'm a Fan of dianhow 72 fans permalink

Mr Badger We 've been screwed royal since 1981 when REAGAN passed deregulation
Bush & W did the same . . That set us on the path to this meltdown . Thats a fact

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 PM on 07/30/2009
- Rapier I'm a Fan of Rapier 9 fans permalink

No real change without single-payer, or public option with carefully regulated insurers. Best one-line description

http://ofthisandthat.org/LettertoPresident.html

Covers other items also in an unusual and remarkable way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 07/30/2009
- LJB1977 I'm a Fan of LJB1977 2 fans permalink

So even when we "win", we still don't win because Democrats will never pull together and pass the legislation which the people who elected them beg them to do. Yet again, Democrats snatching defeat from victory. How sad is this - so my daughter, with only a marginal flaw in her heart, making it murmer - with no illness, remains "uninsurable". Wow, and "honors student" with no "value" to our society. How lame are these Senators? We want a public option. Where is our voice?!!! Elections have consequences - What is the matter with these people? Time to work the phones people - every day, every day until they get the message.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 07/30/2009

Why are the Democrats still not pulling together! I can't believe that we are going to lose this again. We want a Public Option--We have really got to push together--

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 07/30/2009
- pattyg77 I'm a Fan of pattyg77 2 fans permalink

...If this were the Rupubs with majority in House & Senate, they would do any & every thing they wanted & would not think twice about the wishes of DEMS...I for one will also do all I can to try to unseat any DEMOCRAT who doesn' t support Public OPTION! The majority of America want Public Option & we will prevail....I will remember any Dem who fails to listen to the power of "The People"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 07/30/2009
- dianhow I'm a Fan of dianhow 72 fans permalink

17 MONEY - LOTS OF IT . LOBBYISTS ARE A CANCER ON OUR GOV'T.
OBAMA DID NOT CREATE THIS CORRUPT SYSTEM
GOP deregulation policy since Reagan did 90 % of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 PM on 07/30/2009
- Ken Maddox I'm a Fan of Ken Maddox 83 fans permalink
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Hey! You dipsticks, you don't have it right yet. We want a public option. We demand a public option. We will have a public option, or you will need to find a new job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 07/30/2009

Absolutely true. I'll work to unseat any legislator working to stop real reform!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 07/30/2009
- dianhow I'm a Fan of dianhow 72 fans permalink

Ken I like that - DEMAND IT
www.whitehouse.gov
202 456 - 1414 or 1111
senate.gov
congress.gov etc

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 07/30/2009
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We need to visit a little real world pain on these clowns. I want the SAME PLAN that Congress has. I am TIRED OF PAYING for their insurance when I have NONE. Take away Congress's coverage until they vote for the single-payer!!
Selfish ratpigs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 07/31/2009
- lily31 I'm a Fan of lily31 24 fans permalink

I am outraged by the fact that our elected members of congress in both houses continue to blow off the american people and their critical needs while serving their own personal needs for power and the status quo. So many of the Republicans have lied to the American people in order to create fear ...... just like they did when President Bush was the President.

How far down does this nation have to go before wise and competent leaders say no to compromise that will not solve the long term underlying problems we face? It is terrifying for me, but I have lived a long and fully satisfying life. It is for the next several generations that I am concerned.

If nothing else, there must be an immediate call to "arms" across this country for the repeal of all health care benefits for these members of congress and their staffs. Immediate because the threat of loosing the benefit they value for themselves but not for the American people is the only way to get the immediate attention., The next election is too far in the future to matter!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 07/30/2009
- Bronxdude I'm a Fan of Bronxdude 304 fans permalink

The average American refuses to accept that the Republican Nation is at war with the working-class, which is why republicans support the status quo and vehemently oppose single-payor healthcare, public education, government oversight, minimum wage hikes, worker rights, access to higher education, middleclass tax relief, and, in general, any legislation that would jeopardize the continuation of a credit-dependent, employer exploited, unhealthy, downtrodden, underpaid, debt-laden, undereducated and permanent class of laborers. Similar to exploited sharecroppers, it’s in the best interest of republicans to keep the working-class hopeless, oppressed, unhealthy, undereducated and debt-laden. Republicans staunchly supported the bailout of Wall Street to protect their own assets, but opposed the bailout out the automobile industry, which employs thousands of middleclass Americans. The republican aristocracy opposes any kind of governmental oversight that will interfere with their pursuit of exploitive capitalism; republicans would like to abolish the Departments of Agriculture, Transportation, Interior, Education and The Food and Drug Administration, because these agencies advocate for workers. Just like feudal lords, the Republican Nation requires a formidable army to protect their financial interests, which is why republicans defend unrestrained military spending. According to the CBO, the Iraq War will cost $2.6 trillion over 10 years; health insurance for every American would cost $1.2 trillion over the same period. Republicans want to keep America angrily divided by class and race. Universal health insurance provides hope and would elevate the standard of living for every American, something republicans reject.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 07/30/2009

Best critique I've seen in years! We want to believe all the cliche's --- e.g.: We've got the best healthcare in the world. We are the greatest country in the world. We are the leading democracy in the world. We have the greatest (... whatever ... ) in the world.

The thing the American people could use more of is self-critiquing. Introspection. Fact-finding. Fact-checking.

We've been so busy admiring ourselves we've lost awareness of our own reality.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 07/30/2009
- dianhow I'm a Fan of dianhow 72 fans permalink

DUDE I totally agree. Now what to do ? WE MUST HAMMER BO & OUR REPS
DO NOT LET UP
IF WE LOSE THE PUBLIC OPTION- TELL THEM THEY LOSE OUR VOTE .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 07/30/2009
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Not one word of that screed is true.

But it's typical of HuffPo leftists who don't understand American liberty.

It would be a waste of time to refute all those misconceptions individually, but the truth regarding each can be found by asking two questions: 1) What does the Constitution allow? 2) Which policy most supports individual freedom?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 AM on 07/31/2009
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The people from the states where these clowns were elected need to start talking to their congressman - Montana specifically for Max Baucus. It doesn't do any good for folks like me in California to foam at the mouth at representatives from other states. I have talked to both my Senators and my House Representative - Mike Thompson a blue dog who supports a public option after receiving the input from a lot of people in our area, most of whom were very clear that he would be unemployed if the public option doesn't pass. Baucus and the others think they have the support of their states or they wouldn't make the mistakes they are making.

The people of Montana need to stand up and tell him he is wrong and they are not sending him back if he persists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 07/31/2009
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