Blue Dog Dems Still Stalling Health Care Vote

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First Posted: 07-28-09 10:58 AM   |   Updated: 08-28-09 05:12 AM

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Note: This story was substantially changed by Congressional Quarterly since it was first posted. As per CQ: "Removes information that indicated that members of the Houe Democratic Blue Dogs attended the Tuesday morning meeting of the House Republican Conference to discuss health care legislation."

WASHINGTON — Top House Democrats sought to minimize the impact of a near-certain missed deadline for health care legislation on Tuesday as the leadership struggled to ease the concerns of rank-and-file critics.

"I'm disappointed of course because I really hoped that we could have gotten a bill out of here by the end of this month," said Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., and chairman of one of the three committees at work on the measure.

"The issue is critical. Whether we do it at the end of July or not, I don't think that's critical except the perception in terms that the Congress didn't respond to the request of the president."

President Barack Obama had asked Congress to advance legislation through both houses by the time lawmakers leave on a monthlong summer vacation, a plea that now appears unlikely to be met.

Obama has worked intensively to reassure the public about his health care proposals at a time when Republicans have stepped up their criticism and polls suggest a leveling in public support. He arranged an early afternoon town hall-style meeting at the headquarters of AARP, the huge advocacy group for seniors.

Among the problems facing Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the House leadership is a rebellious group of conservative and moderate Democrats demanding changes in legislation as the price for voting it out of the House Energy and Commerce Committee.

The fiscally conservative Blue Dogs were at odds with the leadership over setting rates for the payments to doctors and other health care providers under a proposed government-run health plan that would compete with private insurance. The House bill models the payments based on Medicare, but Blue Dogs want a negotiated rate similar to private insurance.

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Blue Dogs have begun working with Republican lawmakers to slow down the process, reports CQ Politics.

The Blue Dog revolt against the House leadership's health care overhaul took a new turn Tuesday morning, when a several members of the centrist faction made overtures to House Republicans about joining forces to slow and reshape the bill.


Republican aides said there was great interest among GOP lawmakers in trying to work with dissidents in the 52-member Blue Dog Coalition to try to stop the legislation. "Blue Dogs will be the main event all week," said one GOP aide, referring to efforts by Republicans to woo Blue Dogs

"We're not ready to support a bill yet," said Rep. Baron Hill, D-Ind., a member of the Blue Dog group, who added: "We'll get there. We are going to pass a health care bill, whether it's now or in the fall remains to be seen."

Without the backing of the 52-member Blue Dogs, it would be difficult for Democratic leaders to pass a bill, especially since no Republican supports the legislation.

"I think there's still a bit of daylight between the positions," said Rep. Earl Pomeroy, D-N.D. "I think the bottom line of Blue Dogs has not been met as of this time."

After weeks of secretive talks, three Democrats and three Republicans on the Senate Finance Committee were edging closer to a compromise that excludes a requirement many congressional Democrats seek for large businesses to offer coverage to their workers. Nor would there be a provision for a government insurance option, despite Obama's support for such a plan, officials said.

The Finance senators were considering a tax of as much as 35 percent on very high-cost insurance policies, part of an attempt to rein in rapid escalation of costs. Also likely to be included in any deal was creation of a commission charged with slowing the growth of Medicare.

"We're going to get agreement here," Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., the Finance Committee chairman, said Monday. "The group of six really wants to get to 'yes.'"

Obama has outlined two broad goals for legislation he is struggling to win from Congress: expansion of health insurance coverage to millions who lack it, and reining in increases in costs.

The president's top domestic priority has suffered numerous setbacks in recent weeks and a Senate vote has been postponed until September. Administration and Democratic leaders hope to show significant progress before lawmakers begin their monthlong August recess.

In the Senate, officials stressed that no agreement has been reached on a bipartisan measure, and said there is no guarantee of one, with numerous key issues remaining to be settled.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity, saying they were not authorized to discuss matters under private negotiations.

They said any legislation that emerges from the talks is expected to provide for a nonprofit cooperative to sell insurance in competition with private industry, rather than giving the federal government a role in the marketplace.

Obama and numerous Democrats in Congress have called for a government option to provide competition to private companies and hold down costs, and the House bill includes one – another concern for the Blue Dogs.

Officials also said a bipartisan compromise in the Senate would not subject large companies to a penalty if they declined to offer coverage to their workers. Instead, these businesses would be required to reimburse the government for part or all of any federal subsidies designed to help lower-income employees obtain insurance on their own.

The legislation in the House includes both a penalty and a requirement for large companies to share in the cost of covering employees.

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Associated Press writer Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar contributed to this report.

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Note: This story was substantially changed by Congressional Quarterly since it was first posted. As per CQ: "Removes information that indicated that members of the Houe Democratic Blue Dogs attended t...
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- Bronxdude I'm a Fan of Bronxdude 298 fans permalink

Like degenerate street pimps, low-life and despicable blue-dogs will not retreat quietly from millions in kickbacks paid out by their willing health industry whores. Public option now!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 07/30/2009
- Bronxdude I'm a Fan of Bronxdude 298 fans permalink

The Reagan deregulated, for-profit medical culture has methodically raped America, while complicit, lying and self-serving republican­s—silenced by payoffs, kickbacks and special interest—acquiesce. Only true competition will lower the cost of medical care. Since obstructionistic republicans support the systematic plundering of the middleclass by ruthless insurance corporations, this is why we need the government between the public and parasitic health insurers. As long as profit is at the center of healthcare, republicans will sabotage reform. Everything doesn’t have to make a profit. Republicans want you to remain sick and uninsured because there is profit in illness. When compared to the second quarter of 2008, profit for UnitedHealthcare increased by a whopping 155 percent, yet premiums continue to climb 3 times faster than wages. Real competition will end the monopolistic and greed-driven stranglehold enjoyed by morally corrupt insurers. Restricting choice and access drives up cost, increasing profit for health insurers, while working-class Americans continue to suffer. As it stands right now, without real marketplace competition, unregulated insurers like UnitedHealthcare not only dictate the cost of healthcare, but where, when and how medical care is doled out. Lying republicans who sleep with insurance executives are relying on biased and flawed research concocted by the Lewin Group—a subsidiary owned by UnitedHealthcare—to create lies to sabotage healthcare reform. Contrary to republican fear mongering, the World Health Organization ranks Canadian Healthcare as one of the best in the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 07/30/2009
- Bronxdude I'm a Fan of Bronxdude 298 fans permalink

Forget bipartisanship; true reform will provide affordable options that include a public offering. As it stands right now, UnitedHealthcare can deny medical care, restrict physician choice and authorize exorbitant copays and deductibles with no oversight. Real reform will end the monopolistic strangle-hold enjoyed by ruthless and morally bankrupt insurers like UnitedHealthcare. In Georgia, UnitedHealthcare colluded with corrupt republican officials to eliminate competition, with the end result being higher premiums, reduced benefits, and greater profits for UnitedHealthcare. With no real competition, UnitedHealthCare is free to bilk and rob consumers. When compared to the second quarter of 2008, profits for UnitedHealthcare increased by a whopping 155 percent, yet premiums continue to climb 3 times faster than wages. UnitedHealthcare is leading the charge to defeat healthcare reform by paying out millions in hush money to corrupt, lying, and obstructionistic republicans. The health insurance industry (and the corrupt republicans they bankroll) will not retreat quietly from billions in annual profits. Repelling the Bush tax cuts for the top 2 percent and ending the Iraq War would generate $1.8 trillion in revenue, more than enough to pay for universal healthcare over the next ten years. In comparison, the Iraq War will cost $2.4 trillion over the next ten years. I want the same affordable health insurance options enjoyed by Congress. Real choice will end the single profiteer, monopolistic health insurance system currently bilking and extorting Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 07/30/2009
- Bronxdude I'm a Fan of Bronxdude 298 fans permalink

Since lying and sell-out republicans sanction the looting of the middleclass by the same ruthless health insurers they deregulated, we need the government between the public and greed-driven insurance profiteers. Profit at the expense of human suffering is a republican engineered abomination. True competition will lower health costs and the cost of health insurance. State employees in Georgia have no due process patient protection rights, a negotiated constraint that gives UnitedHealthcare carte blanche to deny medical care and restrict doctor choice with no oversight. Real competition will end the monopolistic stranglehold enjoyed by parasitic insurers like UnitedHealthcare. If competition is the lynchpin of free-market capitalism, then why is UnitedHealthcare afraid to compete on the open market against the feds? Limiting choice drives up cost, increasing profit for the health industry, which is why republican hacks defend extortion of the middleclass by companies like UnitedHealthcare. Through mendacious scare tactics, lying republicans curry favor and rouse baseless fear by preaching that reform will lead to rationed healthcare and restrictions on patient/doctor choice. Bull! Contrary to specious talking points propagated by self-serving republicans long on mindless rhetoric, as it stands right now, without real marketplace competition, insurers not only dictate the cost of healthcare, but they also get to pick and choose who gets coverage and medical care. Like degenerate street pimps, low-life and despicable republicans will not retreat quietly from millions in kickbacks paid out by their willing health industry whores. Public option now!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 07/30/2009
- Bronxdude I'm a Fan of Bronxdude 298 fans permalink

Senators DeMint and Coburn: The best healthcare system in the world leaves 50 million Americans uninsured to fend for themselves, while generating billions in profit and millions in kickbacks for corrupt republicans. If you’re fortunate to be a member of Congress, you do in fact have unfettered access to the best healthcare. The republican aristocracy always seems to know what’s best for the working-class. Several years ago, the republicans pushed through the Prescription Drug Bill at a cost of $900 billion, which benefited the pharmaceutical industry, not the working-class. To enact this flawed legislation, lobbyists paid-out millions in payoffs to buy republican votes. The exact same strategy is now being employed by parasitic health insurers to defeat healthcare reform. Sell-outs like DeMint and Coburn are getting rich helping the insurance industry generate outrageous profits on the backs of the working-class. In healthcare, the profit is in treatment, not the cure, which is why republicans lobby for ruthless pharmaceutical manufactures and parasitic physicians who regard healthcare as only a revenue stream. Republicans have dehumanized healthcare and transformed it into a commodity akin to oil or corn. Certain things like healthcare should carry the label not-for profit. Republicans have always supported big business, and they have fought hard to pass abusive and exploitive legislation designed to keep the working-class subservient and subjugated. The republican concocted Iraq War created new millionaires, which self-serving republicans welcome because such profit translates into huge payoffs for them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 07/30/2009
- Bronxdude I'm a Fan of Bronxdude 298 fans permalink

The average American refuses to accept that the Republican Nation is at war with the working-class, which is why republicans support the status quo and vehemently oppose single-payor healthcare, public education, government oversight, minimum wage hikes, worker rights, access to higher education, middleclass tax relief, and, in general, any legislation that would jeopardize the continuation of a credit-dependent, employer exploited, unhealthy, downtrodden, underpaid, debt-laden, undereducated and permanent class of laborers. Similar to exploited sharecroppers, it’s in the best interest of republicans to keep the working-class hopeless, oppressed, unhealthy, undereducated and debt-laden. Republicans staunchly supported the bailout of Wall Street to protect their own assets, but opposed the bailout out the automobile industry, which employs thousands of middleclass Americans. The republican aristocracy opposes any kind of governmental oversight that will interfere with their pursuit of exploitive capitalism; republicans would like to abolish the Departments of Agriculture, Transportation, Interior, Education and The Food and Drug Administration, because these agencies advocate for workers. Just like feudal lords, the Republican Nation requires a formidable army to protect their financial interests, which is why republicans defend unrestrained military spending. According to the CBO, the Iraq War will cost $2.6 trillion over 10 years; health insurance for every American would cost $1.2 trillion over the same period. Republicans want to keep America angrily divided by class and race. Universal health insurance provides hope and would elevate the standard of living for every American, something republicans don’t want.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 07/30/2009

When the Germans found they could not win the wars, they migrated & became Rethuglicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 07/30/2009
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John Barrow, Blue Dog from Georgia, has a Health Care Survey that you can complete in a few minutes. You can participate even if you're not his constituent and you can voice your preference for the Public Option. A good thing to do.

GO TO: http://www.barrow.house.gov/

Urge all of your family, friends and acquaintances to fill it out too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 PM on 07/29/2009
- Chip W I'm a Fan of Chip W 18 fans permalink

I did as you suggest and filled out the survey. I now feel like a good citizen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 07/29/2009
- helenwheels I'm a Fan of helenwheels 513 fans permalink
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Send an email with specific questions to Fe!nste!n:

http://salsa.wiredforchange.com/o/5831/t/4603/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=2801

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 07/29/2009
- Brute I'm a Fan of Brute 46 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 07/29/2009
- helenwheels I'm a Fan of helenwheels 513 fans permalink
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Bill KristoI on the DaiIy show admitted that gov't run heaIthcare (VA) is better than what we pe0ns have with private heaIth ins. pIans:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-october-30-2008/bill-kristol

When you back them into a corner, sometimes the truth comes out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 07/29/2009
- Brute I'm a Fan of Brute 46 fans permalink

Women with breast cancer in Britain have a 46% death rate as opposed to 25% in the US. Men with prostate cancer in Britain have a 57% mortality rate while in the US only 19% die and the death rate is declining rapidly because of early detection. It's the same with colon cancer. In Europe as a whole there is only a 8% survival rate, in Britain there's a 40% survival rate and in the US there's a 60% survival rate. With cancer of the esophagus only 7% survive while in the US 12% survive, although it's still one of the most deadly forms of cancer. Both long- and short-term recovery and survival rates for all forms of cancer are also significantly higher for US patients. Rationed care has limited diagnostic facilities like MRI machines and has created long wait times for specialist doctors. In fact, 40% of cancer patients in Britain never get to see a cancer specialist at all, and the National Health bureaucrats have denied basic tests like pap smears and ruled out powerful chemotherapy medicines as too expensive, all of which has cost lives. With diseases like cancer where early detection and treatment are vital, resource rationing means a lot more dead patients.

Of course, dead patients are a lot cheaper to care for, aren’t they?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 AM on 07/29/2009
- helenwheels I'm a Fan of helenwheels 513 fans permalink
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Why do you only compare us with England? They aren't the best example. Try Germany, France.

Our heaIthcare sux, the majority of Americans think so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 07/29/2009
- Brute I'm a Fan of Brute 46 fans permalink

Helenwheels is Ann Coulter?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 07/29/2009

Conspicuously absent is a link for you statistics. Are they from the insurance owned Lewin Group?

Also, do these U.S. statistics include the cancer deaths of people who never got cancer treatment because they don't have insurance? I doubt it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 08/01/2009
- Brute I'm a Fan of Brute 46 fans permalink

Public Option To Cut Health Costs? Medicare's Record Says Dream On...............

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=480067

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 AM on 07/29/2009
- Chip W I'm a Fan of Chip W 18 fans permalink

Medicare has financial problems, but this doesn't debunk the whole Public Option idea.
Those who designed Medicare didn't foresee today's demographics. Some design rework is needed.
Medicare insures the most expensive demographic. Expanding a version of Medicare to the general population would be including less expensive demographics.
The issue of the costs of a public option is valid. Single-payer would, in theory, reduce total system costs and be self-supporting through taxes. I don't know about the public option that's on the table. It seems too hodge-podgy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 07/29/2009
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Here are the blue dog Dems. I advise if your rep is listed below and you want health care reform; call and email them. Fight the good fight.

Jason Altmire (PA-4)
Mike Arcuri (NY-24)
Joe Baca (CA-43)
John Barrow (GA-12)
Melissa Bean (IL-8)
Marion Berry (AR-1)
Sanford Bishop (GA-2)
Dan Boren (OK-2)
Leonard Boswell (IA-3)
Allen Boyd (FL-2)
Bobby Bright (AL-2)
Dennis Cardoza (CA-18)
Christopher Carney (PA-10)
Ben Chandler (KY-6)
Travis Childers (MS-1)
Jim Cooper (TN-5)
Jim Costa (CA-20)
Henry Cuellar (TX-28)
Kathy Dahlkemper (PA-3)
Lincoln Davis (TN-4)
Joe Donnelly (IN-2)
Brad Ellsworth (IN-8)
Gabrielle Giffords (AZ-8)
Bart Gordon (TN-6)
Parker Griffith (AL-5)
Jane Harman (CA-36)
Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (SD-AL)
Baron Hill (IN-9)
Tim Holden (PA-17)
Frank Kratovil (MD-1)
Jim Marshall (GA-8)
Jim Matheson (UT-2)
Mike McIntyre (NC-7)
Charlie Melancon (LA-3)
Mike Michaud (ME-2)
Walt Minnick (ID-1)
Dennis Moore (KS-3)
Patrick Murphy (PA-8)
Glenn Nye (VA-2)
Collin Peterson (MN-7)
Earl Pomeroy (ND-AL)
Mike Ross (AR-4)
John Salazar (CO-3)
Loretta Sanchez (CA-47)
Adam Schiff (CA-29)
David Scott (GA-13)
Heath Shuler (NC-11)
Zack Space (OH-18)
John Tanner (TN-8)
Gene Taylor (MS-4)
Mike Thompson (CA-1)
Charlie Wilson (OH-6)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 AM on 07/29/2009
- DEJM I'm a Fan of DEJM 10 fans permalink

It sounds like what was promised and what we're slated to get are two very different things.

Once again, I'm concerned about how the emphasis is on the deadline to "get something" together as opposed to forging a good healthcare bill that will actually help people.

it also sounds as if the lobbyists are once again forcing their hand. Replacing public option with not for profit cooperatives is just another venue for insurance companies to dominate.

But remember, lobbyists may be throwing their money around, but it's the Congress and Senators who should get the blame, they're the ones with their hands out.

I recommend we remember the power of the vote and regardless of party affiliation, we vote out those who don't get the job done and keep electing new faces until the job gets done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 AM on 07/29/2009
- quidam56 I'm a Fan of quidam56 5 fans permalink

Mitch McConnell says we have THE BEST HEALTH CARE IN THE WORLD. Here's an example of that high quality care. http://www.wisecountyissues.com/?p=62 Because of rationed care my father died.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 07/28/2009
- lj9283 I'm a Fan of lj9283 67 fans permalink
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We may have the best health care in the world, but we deny Americans the ability to access the system.

So what happens shows in Americans going overseas for medical care.

An estimated 750,000 Americans traveled abroad for medical care in 2007.

This number is estimated to increase to six million by 2010.

http://www.deloitte.com/dtt/cda/doc/content/us_chs_MedicalTourismStudy(1).pdf

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 AM on 07/29/2009
- liberty68 I'm a Fan of liberty68 5 fans permalink

A nonprofit cooperative to sell insurance in competition with private insurance companies is bogus. Ultimately it will become impregnated with insurance company execs or former execs. Let's not be naive. If it was going to be truly competitive why would they object to a public option competing and not to a coop competing. I smell a rat, the same way some soldiers can sense an IED before anyone else does.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 07/28/2009
- Teresa201 I'm a Fan of Teresa201 29 fans permalink
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Maybe because the co-op is with the insurance companies...they get the money!
Public Option is no profit for insurance companies....no cash in the senators and reps pockets!

What is your question?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 07/28/2009
- Lorianne I'm a Fan of Lorianne 58 fans permalink
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Insurance companies will be acting as government contractors providing insurance (similar to how Dyncorp, Halliburton etc work for our defense department).

Rates will be set by legislators (Federal and probably State as well) similar to how maximums are set by States now.

All they have to do it lobby legistlators to ge the maximum moved up and/or the coverage reduced. How hard will that be? Look at how easy it is to buy off legislators now in every segment of our government ... especially contracts and procurement.

People act like the Insurance Comapanies just learned how to lobby lawmakers yesterday.

They haven't. They've had decades of experience at the State level getting the State governments to set up and administer monopolies. Now they'll just do the same thing at the Fed level

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 07/29/2009
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