Blue Dog Compromise Removes Billions In Savings From Public Plan

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First Posted: 07-30-09 09:34 AM   |   Updated: 07-30-09 11:53 AM

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Despite Blue-Dog claims that a compromise they engineered Wednesday would trim $100 billion from the cost of health-care legislation, their weakening of the public option for insurance coverage could end up erasing those savings.

Over the past two weeks, the seven Blue Dog Democrats on the House Energy and Commerce Committee have demanded that legislation crafted by their own party's leaders include more cost controls. On Wednesday, four of those seven ended their opposition after a series of changes -- some cosmetic, others substantive -- were made to the legislation.

They got the headlines they wanted -- "House Democrats Trim $100B From Health Bill," The Washington Post wrote - but sources on Capitol Hill and outside of government say the changes to the public plan could actually increase the cost of the bill anywhere between $60 billion and $100 billion, wiping out all or most of the ostensible savings..

Going into the Energy and Commerce debate, House Democrats had proposed a fairly robust public option that would have structured payments for doctors and health care providers at a rate modified from the one used by Medicare. According to the Congressional Budget Office, such a system would cover around 10 million people and would have an operational cost that was roughly 10 percent lower than that of private health insurance.

On Wednesday, Blue Dog Democrats pared down that outline. The compromise bill would still have a public option. But it would allow doctors and other health care providers to negotiate their payment rates.

The Congressional Budget Office has not yet made an estimate of how cost-effective the revised public option would be. But The Walker Report blog, which has done detailed analysis of all variations of health care legislation, noted that the new public option is similar to that put forward by the Senate Health Education Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committee. The CBO was vague on how much the HELP Committee's public option would cost, but Walker writes that it "would not be noticeably cheaper than private insurance or save the government much money."

Politico, meanwhile, reported on Wednesday night that the savings lost by switching to the Blue Dog public plan would be $60 billion.

On the far end of cost-savings analysis is a June 2009 report issued by the Common Wealth Fund, a private foundation that conducts health care analysis and promotes a better performing health care system. Titled "Fork In The Road," the report concluded that a public option paying providers Medicare rates (which are lower than any proposal put forward to date) would produce savings for the government of roughly $3 trillion. A public plan that provided rates somewhere between Medicare and private plan rates (where the Blue Dog approach would likely be) would yield only $2 trillion in savings.

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Despite Blue-Dog claims that a compromise they engineered Wednesday would trim $100 billion from the cost of health-care legislation, their weakening of the public option for insurance coverage could ...
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-people with nice jobs&health insurance, get chronic illness in family and become costly to group plan and a drag on bonuses for cost control of health care expenses..They will fire that person with the chronic illness. They will find a way.

. I lived it

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 AM on 07/31/2009

What if, jusy maybe, Chaney shared some of his private wire taps with these blue dogs and what if they had something to hide and agreed to do what ever the Repugs wanted. It could happen. I don't know how else to understand Dems. elected with Obamas help, going against the people who elected them. All I want to know, is, where do I send money to defeat them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 07/30/2009

Welcome the new party guys! The Blue Dogs! What a brilliant move, straddle the fence and when over dems and republicans and those independents who would not vote for either of the other two. These guys have been around for over 15 years now and we can look at either a brick wall for the middle class or compromise. And it looks like the liberals are going to bail out on the middle class and compromise what could be the greatest achievement for the middle class this century, health care for all Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 07/30/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 282 fans permalink

it's all about the corporate funded DLC and Rahm's selection of conservative pro war candidates to pretend to be real democrats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 07/31/2009
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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Fiscal conservative is a red herring used by conservatives in either party. They are really corporatists.

BTW I published these results a dozen times about Commonwealth Fund study.

How universal healthcare lowers costs.

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Content/Publications/Fund-Reports/2009/Jun/Fork-in-the-Road.aspx

With no universal healthcare costs will rise 6.5%
With only private universal healthcare costs will rise 5.8%
With universal healthcare with public option costs will rise 5.6%
With universal healthcare with public option and Medicare limits costs will rise 5.2%

If you don't think 1.3% is much it's about $2 trillion dollars over 10 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 PM on 07/30/2009
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So. Is a Conservative Democrat farther to the right than a Liberal Republican?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 07/30/2009
- Pquilson I'm a Fan of Pquilson 9 fans permalink

Answer: Yes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 PM on 07/30/2009
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I think we may have us a 27-Party system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 AM on 07/31/2009
- Mugzi I'm a Fan of Mugzi 13 fans permalink

Blue dogs are trai..tors to this country!!!! Savings is a major reason for health care reform!!! They are tra.i.tors!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 07/30/2009

Looks like "Blue Dogs" have been sniffing "JUST SAY NO" butts!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:18 PM on 07/30/2009

I can't help but think thre is some other reason the bd's are playing republican on this issue.

The more I watch 'em the more it seems like those blue dogs are simply positioning themselves for well paid lobbying gigs ( corporate payola) or some other medical/drug industrial complex employment after the country votes them out of office.

Why else would they give 72% of America's voting citizens the finger?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 07/30/2009
- Cil I'm a Fan of Cil 13 fans permalink

One reason that they are trying to derail the PUBLIC OPTION
portion of the HEALTH CARE REFORM may be the following.

Do you think that only republicans are against President
Obama and.... WANT HIM TO FAIL.......just because of the
colour of his skin?

Don't worry though, these blue dogs will have to answer to
their constituents, who I'm hoping are taking notice of what
the blue dogs are doing!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 PM on 07/30/2009
- Jane48 I'm a Fan of Jane48 18 fans permalink
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This is GREAT! Great job, Nancy.

Finally, someone has the guts to tell it like it is, and of course it's a woman!
YAY! YAY!

I am so tired of having half of the cost of my health care going to the money-grubbing Wall St. Gang.
They are such a pile of crooks.

Crooks, Crooks, Croooks.

Did you all notice the article with the litany of gratitude for Canadian health care?
The newspapers and media won't print that queue.
The media is so slanted on behalf of their customer, pharma & medical industrial complex.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 07/30/2009

"On Wednesday, Blue Dog Democrats pared down that outline. The compromise bill would still have a public option. But it would allow doctors and other health care providers to negotiate their payment rates."

What is this c#%p ? Back to the past? Medicare part D? "You are not allowed to save money, but this saves money? No wonder the progressive caucus is angry...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 07/30/2009
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Why do you keep saying Obama, like he's solely to blame. I don't recall any dems standing up and fighting for this other than the President.

Instead of blaming the President, contact your representatives, they're the ones holding this thing up.

The Blue Dog Coalition

Contact these members of Congress and urge them to support the public plan option! These are the Democrats holding us back from the best health care plan possible.
Key people to contact - view the entire list of the 56 Blue Dog Democrats here!

Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (SD), Blue Dog Co-Chair for Administration
Rep. Baron Hill (IN-09), Blue Dog Co-Chair for Policy
Rep. Charlie Melancon (LA-03), Blue Dog Co-Chair for Communications
Rep. Heath Shuler (NC-11), Blue Dog Whip
Rep. Mike Ross (AR-04)

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The List of Democratic Senators not directly supporting the public plan health care option
Call and email them, telling them to support President Obama's public plan option!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 07/30/2009
- Cil I'm a Fan of Cil 13 fans permalink

Without messing around with it, by increasing costs,
and PRETENDING that they have made $100billion
dollars in cost savings. That was BEFORE they fiddled
with the Public Health Option. Now they have actually
INCREASED the overall cost of the whole plan!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 07/30/2009
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Well done, expire!

With continued information about lobbyists pouring money into these characters, we need to do more than just sit back and complain about this. Let's get on the horn and remind these folks who they are *supposed* to be working for!

To support your efforts:

Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (SD): (according to her website, she "wants to hear from you")
Phone: (202) 225-2801
Fax: (202) 225-5823

Rep. Baron Hill (IN-09),
Phone: 202-225-5315
Fax: 202-226-6866
In Indiana:
Phone: 812-288-3999 or 812-336-3000

Rep. Charlie Melancon (LA-03)
ph: (202) 225-4031
fx: (202) 226-3944
Houma (985) 876-3033
Chalmette (504) 271-1707
Gonzales (225) 621-8490
New Iberia (337) 367-8231

Rep. Heath Shuler (NC-11)
Phone:(202) 225-6401
Fax: (202) 226-6422
Asheville, NC
Phone: 828-252-1651
Fax: 828-252-8734
Murphy, NC
Phone: 828-835-4981
Sylva, NC
Phone: 828-586-1962 Ext. 223

Rep. Mike Ross (AR-04)
(202) 225-3772
1-800-223-2220
(202) 225-1314 Fax
Prescott, AR
(870) 887-6787
(870) 887-6799 Fax
Pine Bluff, AR
(870) 536-3376
(870) 536-4058 Fax
Hot Springs National Park, AR
(501) 520-5892
(501) 520-5873 Fax
El Dorado, AR
(870) 881-0681
(870) 881-0683 Fax

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 AM on 07/31/2009
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Why Obama doesn't make rich people the enemy I'll never know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 07/30/2009
- kasinca I'm a Fan of kasinca 164 fans permalink
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I will support primary competition in each of the districts of these traitors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 07/30/2009
- Subterfuge I'm a Fan of Subterfuge 21 fans permalink

Agreed. Money talks. The people need to hire lobbyists of their own to get representation with their own representatives.

It's sad that it has come to the point that we have to pay millions of dollars just to get the ear of the person we elected to REPRESENT US.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 07/30/2009
- blastit I'm a Fan of blastit 13 fans permalink

why don't all the progressive Democrates Obama included stand together and go up against these blue dogs call them out! and keep calling them out!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 07/30/2009
- expired I'm a Fan of expired 26 fans permalink

KEEP UP THE PRESSURE

The Blue Dog Coalition

Contact these members of Congress and urge them to support the public plan option! These are the Democrats holding us back from the best health care plan possible.
Key people to contact - view the entire list of the 56 Blue Dog Democrats here!

Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (SD), Blue Dog Co-Chair for Administration
Rep. Baron Hill (IN-09), Blue Dog Co-Chair for Policy
Rep. Charlie Melancon (LA-03), Blue Dog Co-Chair for Communications
Rep. Heath Shuler (NC-11), Blue Dog Whip
Rep. Mike Ross (AR-04)

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The List of Democratic Senators not directly supporting the public plan health care option
Call and email them, telling them to support President Obama's public plan option!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 07/30/2009
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