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KEN THOMAS | 07/30/09 11:53 PM | AP

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WASHINGTON — The White House said Thursday it was reviewing what has turned out to be a wildly popular "cash for clunkers" program amid concerns the $1 billion budget for rebates for new auto purchases may have been exhausted in only a week.

Transportation Department officials called lawmakers' offices earlier Thursday to alert them of plans to suspend the program as early as Friday. But a White House official said later the program had not been suspended and officials there were assessing their options.

"We are working tonight to assess the situation facing what is obviously an incredibly popular program," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said of the Car Allowance Rebate System. "Auto dealers and consumers should have confidence that all valid CARS transactions that have taken place to date will be honored."

Gibbs said the administration was "evaluating all options" to keep the program funded.

A Transportation Department official said the department was working with Congress and the White House to keep the program going. The administration officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the discussions.

The CARS program offers owners of old cars and trucks $3,500 or $4,500 toward a new, more fuel-efficient vehicle.

Congress last month approved the program to boost auto sales and remove some inefficient cars and trucks from the roads. The program kicked off last Friday and was heavily publicized by car companies and auto dealers

Through late Wednesday, 22,782 vehicles had been purchased through the program and nearly $96 million had been spent. But dealers raised concerns about large backlogs in the processing of the deals in the government system, prompting talk of a possible suspension.

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A survey of 2,000 dealers by the National Automobile Dealers Association found about 25,000 deals had not yet been approved by NHTSA, or nearly 13 trades per store. It raised concerns that with about 23,000 dealers taking part in the program, auto dealers may already have surpassed the 250,000 vehicle sales funded by the $1 billion program.

"There's a significant backlog of 'cash for clunkers' deals that make us question how much funding is still available in the program," said Bailey Wood, a spokesman for the dealers association.

Alan Helfman, general manager of River Oaks Chrysler Jeep in Houston, said he was worried that the government wouldn't pay for some of the clunker deals his dealership has signed because they aren't far enough along in the process.

His dealership has done paperwork on about 20 sales under the clunker program, but in some cases the titles haven't been obtained yet or the vehicles aren't yet on his lot.

"There's no doubt I'm going to get hammered on a deal or two," Helfman said.

The clunkers program was set up to boost U.S. auto sales and help struggling automakers through the worst sales slump in more than a quarter-century. Sales for the first half of the year were down 35 percent from the same period in 2008, and analysts are predicting only a modest recovery during the second half of the year.

So far this year, sales are running under an annual rate of 10 million light vehicles, but as recently as 2007, automakers sold more than 16 million cars and light trucks in the United States.

Even before the suspension, some in Congress were seeking more money for the auto sales stimulus. Rep. Candice Miller, R-Mich., wrote in a letter to House leaders on Wednesday requesting additional funding for the program.

"This is simply the most stimulative $1 billion the federal government has spent during the entire economic downturn," Miller said Thursday. "The federal government must come up with more money, immediately, to keep this program going."

Michigan lawmakers planned to meet on Friday to discuss the program.

Brendan Daly, a spokesman for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said they would work with "the congressional sponsors and the administration to quickly review the results of the initiative."

General Motors Co. spokesman Greg Martin said Thursday the automaker hopes "there's a will and way to keep the CARS program going a little bit longer."

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AP Auto Writer Tom Krisher in Detroit contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — The White House said Thursday it was reviewing what has turned out to be a wildly popular "cash for clunkers" program amid concerns the $1 billion budget for rebates for new auto pu...
WASHINGTON — The White House said Thursday it was reviewing what has turned out to be a wildly popular "cash for clunkers" program amid concerns the $1 billion budget for rebates for new auto pu...
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Not only the government taking money away from people who are not buying a new car (since their tax dollars are being used to fund it), they are also taking money away from the charities that rely on car donation to fund their programs!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 08/04/2009
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The military population is pre-screened for health and is generally much younger than the civilian population. Medical care for dependents within the Military health care system is often very good but sometimes very hard to get. In summary, the Military health care system is a poor analogue for a national health care system. (I am in the military by the way)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 08/02/2009
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Oops, meant to post in reply to another comment,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 08/02/2009
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First and foremost: Thank you immensely for your service.

If you were responding to my comment below, the main point that I was addressing was whether government is competent enough to handle providing healthcare.

I responded that the government has been successfully handling not only domestic healthcare for the 43 million elderly non-military, non-young civilians, but they also successfully, albeit not perfectly, handle the medical care of our men and women in the service.

Government can do this for the elderly, and for the pre-screened young, as well as handle the unique medlcal requirements of all our Native American nations through the Bureau of Indian Affairs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 08/02/2009
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FdaLef

"Wait until they get a hold of health care."

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They already have a hold of healthcare.

Medicare is government-run. Seniors were becoming impoverished prior to it's implementation in 1965, back when healthcare costs were much lower.

The military's healthcare is a working example of a public option? On their salaries, our soldiers on their families would not be able to keep pace with inflationary cost of private health insurance.

The cash for clunkers was successful. It's an example of a government program that was too successful. It's an example of leadership.

Instead of offering tax breaks to SUV buyers as the previous administration did, this President is getting those gas guzzlers off the road and he tapped into a groundswell of support that overwhelmed the program.

Republicans wish they had a success like that that they could point to. Instead they've got Iraq, No Child Left Behind and the greatest economic disaster since the Great Depression.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 08/02/2009
- eilish I'm a Fan of eilish 22 fans permalink
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Apparently on those employed by the government can afford healthcare. The military get no choice in their healthcare, and although it is a truly pathetic, corrupt, incompetent over-burdened system they at least do have some. Of course, I do realize that nobody can sue the military over anything, even malpractice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 08/02/2009

Free money from the government sure has a great effect on the econony; I wonder why they just don't cut taxes and save the extra step of confiscating the money from the taxpayer first instead?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 07/31/2009
- philko I'm a Fan of philko 19 fans permalink

If they gave YOU a tax cut of a couple grand, would you immediately go out and spend it instead of saving it or using it to pay down debt? Each "cash for clunkers" chunk o'cash *guaranteed* a new car sale.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 08/02/2009
- Solja I'm a Fan of Solja 117 fans permalink
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I passed a Chrysler/Jeep lot yesterday and they are matching the Cash for Clunkers program, dollar for dollar, making it a $9,000 savings. If I could afford a new car and turn in that clunker I'm driving, I'd be driving a new Jeep.

http://www.jeep.com/en/2009/patriot/

http://www.chrysler.com/en/incentives/programs/gov_cash/?family=sebring_convertible

I hope the program is continued. It's a real nice incentive for folks to get green and save some money and help the US car companies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 07/31/2009
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This is why Chrysler went bankrupt. Failing to meet costs + crappy cars = fail.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 07/31/2009
- twogunmojo I'm a Fan of twogunmojo 28 fans permalink

too bad chrysler won't let jeep wranglers be sold under the cfc...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 07/31/2009
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Will the Obama health care plan be cash for kidneys?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 07/31/2009
- twogunmojo I'm a Fan of twogunmojo 28 fans permalink

you would think that under roe vs. wade that as long as it is your body you have the freedom to do whatever you want with it....i would sell a kidney for million....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 07/31/2009
- aj88 I'm a Fan of aj88 6 fans permalink

Yes, why is it that a women can remove a baby, fetus, blob of tissue, whatever the politically correct term is these days, at will, chuck it in a dumpster, and we can't sell some body parts for cash? It is our body after all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 07/31/2009

Wait until they get a hold of health care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 07/31/2009
- Altruth I'm a Fan of Altruth 70 fans permalink

Health care will also be successful!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 07/31/2009
- Solja I'm a Fan of Solja 117 fans permalink
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No fear here! I support a public option!

Actually, I can go further than that and support eliminating the middle men, ie, insurance companies. We should just have medicaid for everyone on a sliding pay scale, and THAT covers everything and could cover everybody.

Now be gone tro//! No need to come here to this progressive website thinking you're going to scare someone or change our minds on health care reform. And take your tro// friends with you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 07/31/2009
- philko I'm a Fan of philko 19 fans permalink

ButButBut... the troll scared me! I mean, Obama started a program that's giving an incredible boost to car sales, helping dealers, manufacturers, parts suppliers and a host of others, while getting a quarter-million of the worst polluting vehicles off of the road. Given that, I'm terrified of what Obama might do to health care...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 08/02/2009
- kedikat I'm a Fan of kedikat 13 fans permalink

It smells a bit.
I wonder if there are any kickback schemes between scrap yards and dealers.
Are dealers with lots that are not in the program getting tradeins of clunkers for lightly used cars, then taking the clunkers over to their new car lots and trading again in the program?

These kinds of programs often have a scam the first time out. The gov needs to carefully trace the history of these cars. Which they probably won't do as it will cost more time and money.

Research and development grants and tax rebates often end up as tax shelters that produce no jobs or developments.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 07/31/2009
- aj88 I'm a Fan of aj88 6 fans permalink

The dealers must provide the government with proof of registration as well as proof insurance for one year prior to taking the vehicle in trade. Also it MUST be registered and insured to the same owner that is getting a new vehicle. A lot of consumers get turned away, if your vehicle was registered and insured with your ex-husbands name and you got the vehicle in a divorce proceeding you do not qualify, or if the trade-in was in say, your parents name, you are not eligible for the program if you now want to get a new car in your name only. The paperwork and restrictions are daunting. Also, the engines must be disabled by the actual dealer, not the scrapyard, the dealer gets up to $50.00 for the service. The titles of the trade-in vehicles are recorded with the government, therefore they will be computed as salvage. The only people with real exposure are the dealers, that may or may not get reimbursed by the government or by consumers who forge their paperwork for trade-in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 07/31/2009
- Altruth I'm a Fan of Altruth 70 fans permalink

Get over it, the program worked! The program was good for the, Middle Class, economy, and environment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 07/31/2009
- CoyoteMan I'm a Fan of CoyoteMan 4 fans permalink
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I'm having a queezy tummy moment believing car dealers honestly sold 242,000 cars in about 72 hrs.
"Honestly" as in what kind of scam are the dealers using to come up with those numbers.

Who financed these cars?

Just another of my many "the taxpayer got screwed" moments.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 07/31/2009
- Chaimirija I'm a Fan of Chaimirija 56 fans permalink
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I honestly question why you questions of the honesty of car dealers. Honestly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 08/01/2009
- philko I'm a Fan of philko 19 fans permalink

Given all the publicity not only by the Feds but by car companies, too ("We'll DOUBLE your government payout!!!"), I find it really easy to believe that dealers, on average, have received 13 sales each in the past week or so. Why is that so hard for you to believe?

All of the traded-in cars would have a trade-in value of less than $4,500, so let's say that each customer is getting about $2,000 more than their trade-in is really worth. Would your tummy have an easier time believing that an across-the-board price drop of 2 grand on *all cars* (even the low-end ones) resulted in such a sales spike? Sounds like supply and demand to me...

Just another of my many "you can't argue with the free market" moments.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 08/02/2009
- DXM I'm a Fan of DXM 12 fans permalink
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Probably the one most economically stimulative programs enacted this year (not to mention great for our energy security and environment in the long run) and the $1 billion appears to be gone in the first week of a four-month program? I say rescind of some of the billions in Republican-backed tax cuts to the rich which appeared in the original stimulus bill (which, in the end, garnered no GOP votes anyway and will do nothing to actually stimulate the economy) and pump billions more into this program. It's good for US manufacturers, it's good for our long term energy security, it's good for the environment and it's good for middle class Americans. Besides, due to my work situation, I won't be in a position to take advantage of this program for another month or two and it will probably be the only way I can (just barely) afford a new car this year to replace my wife's "clunker".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 07/31/2009
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"I say rescind of some of the billions in Republican-backed tax cuts to the rich which appeared in the original stimulus bill (which, in the end, garnered no GOP votes anyway and will do nothing to actually stimulate the economy)"

People having their own money to spend is not stimulating?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 07/31/2009
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vaga most of us here at the huffpo sounding board tend to think that rolling back tax breaks for the super rich is always a good idea no matter what they might or mightn't have done with the money; just fyi

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 07/31/2009
- kburlz I'm a Fan of kburlz 23 fans permalink

No, money given an an incentive to make a major purchase is more stimulating.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 07/31/2009
- ReedYoung I'm a Fan of ReedYoung 172 fans permalink
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People don't spend tax cuts for the over-privileged, they hoard.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thom-hartmann/the-great-tax-con-job_b_242065.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 07/31/2009
- twogunmojo I'm a Fan of twogunmojo 28 fans permalink

your wifes "clunker" must be running in order for you to take advantage of the deal....why do you think incurring debt in this economy is a good idea....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 07/31/2009
- RuinedSaint I'm a Fan of RuinedSaint 149 fans permalink
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Spending money to make money; basic standard business practice when done right.

One might wonder why no one complained about debt for the 8 years prior to now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 07/31/2009
- retroredux I'm a Fan of retroredux 63 fans permalink
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Mojo-
if you drive a "clunker" you incur debt on a regular basis anyway. I know, my car is 12 years old (doesn't qualify for C4C because of MPG). I've spent about $1500 annually for the past few years on large repairs to keep it going because even though it drives it has no trade in value because of age and the AC is broken (which would cost me $1200 to fix).

Many people who drive these cars have incurred lots of debt trying to keep these kind of cars going. With a new car, not only would I get the better fuel economy-most are also covered by a 3 year warrenty, so you also get three years of not incurring repair bills.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 07/31/2009
- ReedYoung I'm a Fan of ReedYoung 172 fans permalink
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"why do you think incurring debt in this economy is a good idea...."

The country is already in debt. Drop that tardy "fiscally conservative" garbage and address the quality of this spending relative to other programs that should be dropped, and justify each according to its stimulative effect on the national economy.

Or shut up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 07/31/2009
- gs425 I'm a Fan of gs425 8 fans permalink
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Let's see....a budget that was supposed to last 2 1/2 - 3 months is gone in one week. Another 'on the mark' cost estimate by the government. Cant' wait till they get their hands on health care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 07/31/2009
- retroredux I'm a Fan of retroredux 63 fans permalink
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sadly-they obviously wasted several thousand tax dollars on your education-when are you going to return that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 AM on 07/31/2009
- Pinchy I'm a Fan of Pinchy 24 fans permalink

Looks like he hit a nerve with you. You don't like anyone criticizing daddy gov'ment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 07/31/2009
- twogunmojo I'm a Fan of twogunmojo 28 fans permalink

i will pay it back about the same time gm pays back the billions they borrowed....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 07/31/2009
- gs425 I'm a Fan of gs425 8 fans permalink
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if you have nothing to add....personal insults work well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 07/31/2009

You were educated for free in the US, you don't have diarrhea because of GOVERNMENT water quality standards, and you probably have social security, which will help when you retire. Yeah, that old government is the bad guy all right. Enron is the shining example of how private enterprise can do it better, right? And what about the UnitedHealth's CEO who was compensated 1.6 bn? Where do you think that money came from? UnitedHealth's customers. Do you mean to say that single payer will allow government administrators to make 1.6bn per year? Get some facts, then come back and contrast private and the health care single payer option.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 07/31/2009
- twogunmojo I'm a Fan of twogunmojo 28 fans permalink

god the assumptions you make...some of us went to private schools...some of us get our water from natural springs...and you cannot say with any certainty that ss will be there in 25 or 50 years....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 07/31/2009
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not to mention medicare, libraries, roads, bridges, parks, clean air, law enforcement, fire brigades, schools .. yeah man the gov't just sucks

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 07/31/2009
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gs -- when you retire, are you going to sign up for medicare? just curious

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 07/31/2009
- gs425 I'm a Fan of gs425 8 fans permalink
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That is easy.....No, Medicare/medicaid/SS will not be around when I retire. That is why I live within my means and save for the proverbial rainy day. If that 03 in your username is an indication of a graduation date by you....they won't be around for you either. Start saving, don't take on debt that you cannot payoff if needed and live within your means. 200 dollar a month cell phone bills and $6 a day latte's are not within your means if your a blue collar stooge like myself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 07/31/2009
- kburlz I'm a Fan of kburlz 23 fans permalink

That fact that so many cars have been sold so quickly under this program is a GOOD thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 07/31/2009
- gs425 I'm a Fan of gs425 8 fans permalink
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Yes, putting 250,000 persons into debt with money they most likely don't have is always a good thing. But hey, the Pugs wanted us in debt to siht we didn't need, why should the Dums want us in debt to justify their take over of GM and Chrysler.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 07/31/2009
- TwoCentsIn I'm a Fan of TwoCentsIn 2 fans permalink

Who is buying these cars?
Hope some slick car brokers are not ripping off the system.
Doing a "Wall Street" on us--begging for taxpayer help, then giving bonuses.
Hol' up on the rebates until we get some ID.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 07/31/2009
- Pinchy I'm a Fan of Pinchy 24 fans permalink

They'll be crushed so the parts can't be used and the fluids will leak into the ground. Another "environmental improvement" program.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 07/31/2009
- retroredux I'm a Fan of retroredux 63 fans permalink
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Pinchy-
you are wrong-why don't you educate yourself. Some cars will be crushed, some will have parts salvaged, the only parts not eligible for salvage are the polluting ones like the engine. Salvage yards drain all fluids before reclamation. Stop spreading lies and fear and learn something.

Read for yourself:
http://www.4029tv.com/money/20225261/detail.html

http://www.kait8.com/Global/story.asp?S=10806014

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 07/31/2009

I see. So the government giving money away to citizens is bad until it's actually something you can take advantage of. I wonder how many of these hicks who traded in their old pick ups touted the current Admin as "socialist" for wanting to "spread the wealth."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 07/31/2009
- Peter007 I'm a Fan of Peter007 37 fans permalink
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Maybe all of them.
But they are getting a subsidy from the government.
If you can't afford a car you don't get a subsidy.
I already had to " contribute" 1/2 of my IRA to the UAW when GM went belly up.
The UAW got their subsidy.
Subsidies for those with money and influence. Now that's a democratic platform we can all support.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 07/31/2009
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the same ones who will (if they haven't already) sign up for medicare at retirement

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 07/31/2009
- sc300nc I'm a Fan of sc300nc 63 fans permalink

Giving people "free" money is wildly popular? Imagine that. I hope all of those taking our children's and grandchildrens tax dollars will write a letter of thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 07/31/2009
- retroredux I'm a Fan of retroredux 63 fans permalink
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yet you have no issue with giving tax breaks "free money" in your terms, to big businesses in the HOPES that they'll hire more people. We've been giving these same businesses this "free money" for many years under the previous admin-yet were at the highest unemployment ever?

WHERE are all the businesses that are going to take those extra funds and make more jobs? Why not? Because it's a MYTH. If a wealthy person gets a tax break they are NOT going to reinvest in new jobs! They are going to KEEP IT for themselves-that's why their RICH

But you'd rather help them than your fellow working class Americans? REAL patriotic there-NOT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 07/31/2009
- sc300nc I'm a Fan of sc300nc 63 fans permalink

You have a lousy way of saying thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 07/31/2009
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Higher taxes means less profit and higher costs, which leads to the marginal productivity of labor increasing.

Silly statists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 07/31/2009
- Peter007 I'm a Fan of Peter007 37 fans permalink
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You can only get free money if you have money. Money to buy a car, money to buy a house, Money to pay for a lobbyist.
No money? Get lost...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 07/31/2009
- TwoCentsIn I'm a Fan of TwoCentsIn 2 fans permalink

I certainly hope such a terrible thing doesn't happen to you and yours.
Stop saying that. It's not true. Nobody's gonna sell your children and grandchildren.
They sold my ancestors instead.


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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 07/31/2009
- Grannysue I'm a Fan of Grannysue 133 fans permalink
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Hey YANKEE, I hate to break it too you so you better sit down, the government already runs two major healthcare programs, Medicare and the VA. The insurance company runs the rest and they tell you what procedures you can have, what drugs they will pay for and how much Chemo your allowed to have, oh you can buy the other drugs and have more treatment, but you will pay for it, in full! Now shut the hell up.
As far as the cash for clunkers program the auto industry will be happy and hopefully it will save some jobs, however, there needs to be a break off point, I was under the impression it only went through July 31, 2009.?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 07/31/2009
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