Health bill inches forward in House

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ERICA WERNER | 07/30/09 11:58 PM | AP

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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of Calif. gestures during a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington, Thursday, July 30, 2009, to discuss health care. (AP Photo/Lauren Victoria Burke)

WASHINGTON — House Democrats pushed ahead with a compromise health overhaul Thursday over liberals' complaints, intent on achieving tangible – if modest – success on President Barack Obama's top domestic priority ahead of a monthlong summer recess.

"We've got to pass the bill. Not only do we have to, but we're going to," said Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee, the last of three House committees to act on the sweeping legislation.

There was late-night drama in Waxman's committee as an anti-abortion amendment passed when conservative Democrats joined Republicans to support it – then failed less than two hours later when Waxman used a procedural maneuver to bring it up for a second vote.

In the intervening time one conservative Democrat – Rep. Bart Gordon of Tennessee – changed his vote from "yes" to "no." And a second conservative Democrat who hadn't voted the first time – Rep. Zack Space of Ohio – voted "no." It was enough to take the amendment down on a vote of 29 to 30.

The measure would have specified that health care legislation moving through Congress may not impose requirements for coverage of abortion, except in limited cases.

Across the Capitol, there was more delay as bipartisan Senate negotiators announced they needed additional time to produce any agreement for their committee to review.

Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., chairman on the Finance Committee, said it would be September before the panel could act. He spoke after a day of uncertainty in which months of negotiations briefly appeared to veer off-course.

"The president, Leader (Harry) Reid and I share the goal of a bipartisan bill and we will continue to work toward meaningful, bipartisan legislation that can pass the Senate and become law this year," Baucus said in a statement.

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Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa, the lead Republican in the talks, said earlier that the discussions have made very good progress and may result in a deal. "But that'll never happen if Democrat leaders tell Republicans to take a hike by forcing the committee to move on an all-Democrat bill," he said.

Reid told reporters during the day that August deadlines were a product of the media, rather than lawmakers or the White House.

Republicans swiftly produced a rebuttal, in the form of statements from Obama as well as Reid underscoring the importance of action by early August.

Both chambers already had jettisoned plans for floor votes before the summer break, but Democrats had hoped to get bills out of the final House and Senate committees that had yet to act.

That would have allowed Democrats to show clear momentum when they returned to their home districts and states in August, so the news out of the Senate Finance Committee was a setback.

But in the House Waxman's committee resumed work Thursday, with the goal of finishing Friday, after a week-and-a-half delay caused by objections from fiscally conservative Democrats. That rebellion was quelled at least temporarily with an agreement Wednesday that would protect more small businesses from a requirement to provide insurance to their employees, and restructure a new public insurance plan so it could pay higher rates to doctors and other providers, among other changes.

But the concessions Waxman made to the fiscally conservative Blue Dog Democrats infuriated House liberals. They denounced the proposed new structure of the government-run insurance option, which was originally designed to be based on Medicare rates. The new structure says rates would be negotiated with providers as occurs now with private companies, which could result in more expensive care.

"This agreement is not a step forward toward a good health care bill, but a large step backwards," 57 Progressive Caucus members said in a letter to House leaders Thursday. "Any bill that does not provide, at a minimum, for a public option with reimbursement rates based on Medicare rates – not negotiated rates – is unacceptable."

Liberals threatened to vote against the bill if it comes to the floor without a stronger public plan. Rep. Anthony Weiner, D-N.Y., an Energy and Commerce member, said they probably had enough votes to block the Blue Dog deal in committee.

Some details of the deal remained murky. As part of the agreement the Blue Dogs are insisting they won't vote for a bill that costs more than $1 trillion over 10 years, but that would require Democrats to make more cuts or raise more money. It wasn't clear how much, or how it would be accomplished.

As Energy and Commerce lawmakers worked through stacks of Republican and Democratic amendments, Waxman's shaky majority was on display early, when the committee voted 29-28 to defeat a Republican amendment to strengthen ID requirements designed to prevent illegal immigrants from getting Medicaid benefits.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., expressed confidence the committee would approve the bill, and said the full House would follow suit in the fall. She also signaled flexibility on key issues, saying that despite her own backing for abortion rights, she would not allow the issue to torpedo legislation. Abortion has become a flash point in the health care debate.

Highlighting the frenetic activity the overhaul has spurred in Washington, health interests have reported spending $262 million lobbying in the first six months of 2009, more than any other portion of the economy, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.

That was $23 million more than health-related companies and groups spent lobbying during the first half of 2008.

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Associated Press writers Alan Fram, Ann Sanner, Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar and David Espo contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — House Democrats pushed ahead with a compromise health overhaul Thursday over liberals' complaints, intent on achieving tangible – if modest – success on President Barack...
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- Tuckerndfw I'm a Fan of Tuckerndfw 101 fans permalink

Under HR 3200, if you currently have insurance, you CANNOT choose the "public option" (insurance provided by insurance companies and sponsored by the gov't).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 07/31/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 167 fans permalink

The "public option" is neither funded by the public, available to the general public, nor will it be optional for those on it. It's the plan for those the insurance industry can't make a profit on. That's all it EVER WAS! It was not and will not become something like medicare.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 07/31/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 167 fans permalink

Drop this massive corporate welfare bill and pass REAL health care reform by supporting HR676! America NEEDS single payer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 07/31/2009
- Tuckerndfw I'm a Fan of Tuckerndfw 101 fans permalink

We need HR 676 a lot more than we need HR 3200, the greatest windfall any industry has ever received.

HR 3200 is a dog that should be put to sleep.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 07/31/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 71 fans permalink

no thanks

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 07/31/2009
- mikekev58 I'm a Fan of mikekev58 8 fans permalink

I wonder what exactly is involved in that 262 million dollars lobbyist spent in the first 6 mos of 09.

Much of, I'm sure, is that form of legal bribery known as campaign contributions. And so it goes with our reps...the­y can be bought, and anyone saying they're not being bought needs a reality check.

Very disheartening, these Democrats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 07/31/2009
- sueinmn I'm a Fan of sueinmn 101 fans permalink
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If you here, see something birthing on a local and hopefully national level to end lobbying as campaign financing, would you jump on board? Would you consider a movement to do an informal popular amendment to the cosnstition to enact this? Would you consider this a constitutional right to have fair representation in legislation?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 07/31/2009
- expired I'm a Fan of expired 26 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 07/31/2009
- PNG I'm a Fan of PNG 51 fans permalink
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As I keep stating:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/30/pelosi-health-insurance-c_n_247924.html?page=4&show_comment_id=28041922#comment_28041922

...until this is stopped, nothing changes.
That simple.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 07/31/2009
- jinxed I'm a Fan of jinxed 24 fans permalink
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Rep. Weiner was on Rachael last night...th­e upshot of his comments were "the for-profit health insurance business should be a thing of the past." He is pushing to get rid of for-profit and agreed with Nancy Pelosi that for-profit health insurance is immoral. I have always stated that for-profit health insurance is immoral and I also think it should be illegal...­making a profit on sick people's misery...w­hat incentive is there to actually heal a sick person if you make more money the longer they are sick?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 07/31/2009
- CaptD I'm a Fan of CaptD 19 fans permalink
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I suggest that to make the proposed plan easy to understand, Congress should agree to void their current Health Care plans and accept the proposed plan that they want the rest of America to use! That way, we all would get quality care and not just a token plan change!

If Congress won't use the new plan why should we have to?

Fair is Fair, All American's would be wise to promote the same idea!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 07/31/2009
- Dragash I'm a Fan of Dragash 9 fans permalink
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Time to collar the "blue dogs". Put 'em in the doghouse. Neuter them. Leash them. And if this does not work, humanely evict them from the office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 07/31/2009

Dawn -- hope you don't mind. This bears repeating --

"I watched this exchange with Rep Weiner last night on C-Span3 and it was GREAT!

However, the proposal weiner brought up was the option to vote yes or no and he told the paney right away he planned to vote NO on his own amendment. The amendment itself was to 'outlaw; medicare.

He told the Republicans that they always want it "BOTH WAYS " He made sure to point out that Medicare is what they have been calling a SOCIALIST PROGRAM. He said that medicare is government run. And then he actually said "I Double Dog Dare YOu" to vote yes to Ban medicare!!

Ohhhh, they were ticked off them there Republicans! It was wonderful listening to them say why medicare was so good but the public option was so bad.

It finally came to a voice vote and of sourse, as to be expected, everyone said NO! quite loudly....­.LOL, but the good part was yet to come. Rep Weiner (D) asked the Chairman for a recorded vote! He was making sure he go on record that the Republicans DO support GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE!

I can see the new ads now!!

I love a young smart Progressive!
Thank You Rep. Weiner!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 07/31/2009
- expired I'm a Fan of expired 26 fans permalink

The Blue Dog Coalition

Contact these members of Congress and urge them to support the public plan option! These are the Democrats holding us back from the best health care plan possible.
Key people to contact - view the entire list of the 56 Blue Dog Democrats here!

Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (SD), Blue Dog Co-Chair for Administration
Rep. Baron Hill (IN-09), Blue Dog Co-Chair for Policy
Rep. Charlie Melancon (LA-03), Blue Dog Co-Chair for Communications
Rep. Heath Shuler (NC-11), Blue Dog Whip
Rep. Mike Ross (AR-04)

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The List of Democratic Senators not directly supporting the public plan health care option
Call and email them, telling them to support President Obama's public plan option!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 07/31/2009
- Tuckerndfw I'm a Fan of Tuckerndfw 101 fans permalink

There are currently very few Congressmen supporting a public option, including Reid & Pelosi. Neither is the president.

The only thing they're supporting is the requirement all working Americans give their money to private insurance companies. There is no "single payer option" in HR 3200. It will be administered by private insurance companies and no one else.

Costs & benefits will be determined by those same insurance companies. You know, the same people who are doing such an outstanding job with the current system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 07/31/2009
- Chaimirija I'm a Fan of Chaimirija 56 fans permalink
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Thank you --- I thought I was the only one who noticed

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 07/31/2009
- Teresa201 I'm a Fan of Teresa201 29 fans permalink
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You are seeing the changes proposed by reps. That is not what Public Option is about. Public Option was to be run like Medicare by the government.
Let's get back to reality here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 07/31/2009
- pipetoe I'm a Fan of pipetoe 19 fans permalink
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thanks for the info...I'm writing them NOT TO SUPPORT IT>

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 07/31/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 71 fans permalink

no thanks

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 07/31/2009
- ljc I'm a Fan of ljc 110 fans permalink

Waxman just allowed John Boehner to sit in with full voting rights. Yuk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 07/31/2009
- Teresa201 I'm a Fan of Teresa201 29 fans permalink
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John was not allowed to vote....
As they were joking with him when he entered the room and they all laughed!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 07/31/2009
- DASM I'm a Fan of DASM 9 fans permalink

"Blue Dogs see surge in contributions from Health Care Industry"
That really says it all. They are NOT interested in improving health care for those who really need it; they are greedy and know by blocking change the Health Care Industry will reward them. And it certainly reveals that the Health Care Industry reaps big benefits from the bad system now in place. They're making huge amounts of money off the public, then funneling that towards money-grabbing politicians who help them make all that cash.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 07/31/2009
- take10 I'm a Fan of take10 60 fans permalink
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You are absolutely correct! They can try to spin it, but we know that 70% of Americans want single payer. They (blue dogs) want to become rich on our backs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 07/31/2009
- Tuckerndfw I'm a Fan of Tuckerndfw 101 fans permalink

HR 3200 does not provide for "single payer."

HR 676 provides single payer & gives insurance companies nothing. It is not being considered.

HR 3200 requires all working Americans to give their money to private insurance companies. It does not provide for "single payer" of any kind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 07/31/2009
- Chaimirija I'm a Fan of Chaimirija 56 fans permalink
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mandatory insurance will help providers too...unti­l insurers use the extra power they've gained to sqush them back into submission

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 07/31/2009

Blue dogs earn their kibble treats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 07/31/2009
- InOv8 I'm a Fan of InOv8 5 fans permalink

A provision to negotiate rates is most likely advantageous for those who enroll in the public plan. While a public plan can guarantee acceptance into the plan, it cannot guarantee provider participation and the public may lose access to the most competent providers. Universal coverage is a worthy goal but quality of care should not be compromised for those whose needs are best served by a public plan. The offering of a public plan to those who otherwise would not be able to obtain health care coverage is absolutely essential.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 07/31/2009

InOv8 -- umm, I smell "vested interest" in your comment. 60 % of physicians support Single Payer --Medicare For All -- Universal Medicare -- Public Plan Option.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 07/31/2009
- Chaimirija I'm a Fan of Chaimirija 56 fans permalink
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8 is right...if the private insurers have a better rate for the providers, they are not going to choose the PO---let them negotiate, they will still be dealing with a nonProfit entity...H­OWEVER, the PO must be open to whoever chooses it...other­wise, they got alot of nerve requiring us to purchase insurance with no choice between a PO or the same old insurers we have

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 07/31/2009
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