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House Approves $2 Billion For Cash For Clunkers Program

KEN THOMAS   08/ 1/09 12:29 AM ET   AP

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WASHINGTON — Attention car buyers: There's still time to get in on the "cash for clunkers" rebate rush.

The House hastened to refuel the program on Friday, voting to pour in $2 billion to prop up the trade-in deals that have all but overwhelmed suddenly booming car dealers and exhausted the $1 billion the government had set aside. The Senate has yet to act, but the White House said weekend deals would count, no matter what.

The program, only a week old, was designed to encourage owners of pollution-spewing gas guzzlers to trade them in on new, more efficient cars, helping the hard-pressed auto industry and the environment, too. Enticed by rebates of $3,500 to $4,500, owners are jumping at the offer.

"Consumers have spoken with their wallets," declared Rep. David Obey, D-Wis., the chairman of the House Appropriations Committee.

House members approved the measure 316-109 within hours of learning from Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood that the program was already running out of money. The Senate is expected to take up the measure next week, but the White House wouldn't make any promises for deals beyond the weekend.

President Barack Obama praised the House's quick work, saying the program had "succeeded well beyond our expectations and all expectations, and we're already seeing a dramatic increase in showroom traffic at local car dealers."

Press secretary Robert Gibbs sought to assure consumers that the program would be alive at least a couple of days longer. "If you were planning on going to buy a car this weekend, using this program, this program continues to run," he said.

Senate approval for the extra $2 billion seemed less certain.

When the Senate approved $1 billion in funding for the plan in June, Democrats struggled to round up enough votes. Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California pushed a separate plan requiring the new vehicles being bought to be vastly more fuel-efficient than the trade-ins, and she supported the measure that passed after receiving what she said was "absolute assurance" from Senate leaders that an extension would be modeled after her bill.

And Sen. Jeff Bingaman, D-N.M., said he was concerned with the way the House had paid for the extension, shifting $2 billion from a renewable energy loan program. He said that would "rob from the loan guarantees we provided through the recovery package that, in the long-term, will shift our country to homegrown, renewable energy while creating good green-collar jobs."

Drivers seemed more concerned about greenbacks.

Dennis and Marcia Strom hurried to Walser Toyota in Bloomington, Minn., on Friday when they heard the rebate might not last.

"I might have waited until the truck died," Dennis Strom said of his 14-year-old Dodge Dakota. "It's a good vehicle that suits our needs. But it's not worth $3,500."

John McEleney, chairman of the National Automobile Dealers Association, said many dealers have been confused about whether the program would be extended and for how long. Many had stopped offering the deals Thursday after word came out that the federal money had been exhausted.

With so much uncertainty, North Palm Beach, Fla., dealer Earl Stewart said he planned to continue to sell cars under the program but would delay delivering the new vehicles and scrapping the trade-ins.

"It's been a total panic with my customers and my sales staff. We are running in one direction and then we are running in another direction," he said.

Called the Car Allowance Rebate System, or CARS, the program is designed to get old, polluting vehicles off the road and scrapped while helping car dealers pull out of the recession.

"I think we are seeing ourselves being placed on the road to economic recovery here, and this road has been paved by the 'cash for clunkers' program," said Rep. Candice Miller, R-Mich., who represents a district heavy with auto workers.

Not everyone in the House was cheering.

Some Republicans accused the Democrats of trying to jam the legislation through, and a number of lawmakers also complained that many dealers have been left to contend with a chaotic government-run program.

"The federal government can't process a simple rebate. I've got dealers who have submitted the paperwork three times and have gotten three rejections," said Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich. "What is a dealer supposed to do?"

The program was funded to provide incentives for up to 250,000 new cars. Sen. Debbie Stabenow, D-Mich., said about 40,000 vehicle sales had been completed through the program, and dealers estimated they were trying to complete transactions on an additional 200,000 vehicles, leaving the funding in doubt.

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AP Business Writer Stephen Manning in Washington and Nomaan Merchant in Minneapolis contributed to this report.

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03:29 PM on 08/03/2009
One thing I find disheartening about the cash for clunkers program is that it requires that the engines of traded in cars be destroyed. I am in favor of producing and encouraging the driving of more energy efficient cars-- but I wonder if destroying functioning vehicles in the name of increased consumption is the best way to achieve that goal? How much fuel does it take to produce a new vehicle? How many resources? I'm glad that newer models are more fuel efficient, but perhaps we should also be questioning our cultural and economic imperative to throw away functioning things and always
"upgrade" to a newer model before the old one has worn out.
09:32 PM on 08/02/2009
It's a success!

So, the republicans must oppose it.

So predictable.

I love hearing about "My grandchildren" from John McCain, when they're never going to have to struggle in their entire life.

http://marmel.com/2009/08/gop-to-opposed-cash-for-clunkers-because-well-they-suck-right-now/
07:42 PM on 08/02/2009
This isn't just about car sales-putting newer cars on the road will help global warming by taking polluters off the road. Better fuel economy means less reliance on foreign oil. The GOP is against selling cars with better mileage because that cuts into oil company profits and lessens the incentive to drill in ANWAR.

The GOP is against anything that helps the environment or lessens our reliance on Exxon and the other oil companies who fund the party with campaign contributions.
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07:25 PM on 08/02/2009
Remember this ?...."The Economy is Fundamentally Sound"....

NEWSFLASH: GOP minds are very slooooooow (thus the reason so easily lead...or actually mis-lead. They even take pride in being labeled Ditto-heads....think it's a compliment) ....they truly just don't get it.
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06:55 PM on 08/01/2009
Do you ever notice that when Bush/Paulson gave 700 billion to banks, they didn't do anything they were supposed to do? It was supposed to start them lending, and it didn't -- just the opposite.

They offer citizens a first time homebuyer tax credit of $8,000 and home sales go up. They give us a $4500 rebate on automobiles and automobile sales go up!

Didn't hear republicans clamor too much about their tax dollars going to the banks -- but they biotch like he11 because they think another human being might actually benefit from one of their tax dollars! Like they are the only ones who pay taxes!
03:32 PM on 08/01/2009
Why do repubs hate americans. You notice anything that benefits the people rethugs object but when it benefits coporations they jump in with both feet to support. healthcare and cash for clunkers are just a few.
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retroredux
05:49 PM on 08/01/2009
because they've been brain washed since the Reagan era that any program that helps individuals is "welfare" and that people on welfare are "lazy welfare queens" that never work and cheat the system.

They don't want facts but here they are anyway:
most families on welfare DO WORK. They are the working poor-most work full time but at jobs that pay in relation to the cost of living is so low they cannot make it without assistance.

Republicans must live in a dream world-how did they REALLY think the nice cashier at Target, or the barista at Starbucks, the guy who washes their car, can pay for the SAME things they have to do-pay rent, a car note, afford food and utilities,the same as them but at A FOURTH of what they make WITHOUT some sort of assistance?
In reality-they just don't care. There's a reason there's an "I" in Republican-it's the "me" party- "if it doesn't affect me directly then I'm against it".

As for the C4C-they want to "welfare" the program when the FACT is this-MOST of the people paying for their cars are paying CASH. So all this talk of debt in relation to the mortage mess is yet another smear and untruth. Anything Pres. Obama does that succeeds is going to get trashed by the Repubs simply because for THEM to succeed, he must fail.

They'd rather see our whole country fail than have a black President succeed.
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07:18 PM on 08/02/2009
Great points Retro.
03:31 PM on 08/02/2009
Reaganomics and Bushnomics never really did work. The theory goes that if you give tax breaks to the wealthy, in their wisdom, they will spend more and create more jobs. That never worked!! Reagan's own Finance chief called it "voodoo economics." They kept the money and there was no trickle down. Obamanomics tries the bottom up approach. Stimulate those that have to spend--the poor and middle class--and their spending will require more production and spending and so on. where were those that protest Obama today when George Bush was airlifting pallets of greenbacks into Iraq that never was accounted for?
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03:07 PM on 08/01/2009
This is coming out of the stimulus money. We all already paid. Why is so much negativity? Did anyone complain about the added pork to the DOD bill to the tune of over 2 billion from both parties? Some of it isn't even defense related. Gates is really p'od about it.
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02:55 PM on 08/01/2009
John McCain said he will try to filibuster this in the Senate. Why? ...cuz......just cuz...he is irrelevent and needs attention.
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06:48 PM on 08/01/2009
Some other republican (I heard it on the radio) said that this was wasteful spending -- the government should offer mortgage rebates instead -- but failed to mention that a program like that would also be spending.

They don't want to see the automobile industry recover -- they want us all to fail!

I'm sick of them!
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10:33 PM on 08/01/2009
why are we not spending the 2 billion on public transit. If the Dept of Energy is paying for this mass transit makes a lot more sense than giving people down payments on automobiles they cannot afford.

Once again we get it wrong energy independence means we ride together not each in his own rolling living room. then To feed at the diabetic drive through.

More wrong headed spending on a dying happymotoring society.
when gas hit five bucks a gallon again all of the new car loans will be bust what then?
10:15 AM on 08/02/2009
Watch it now, you may get the little guy crying, or dursing .
MGhamma
Reality is 100% biased!
12:01 PM on 08/01/2009
Nothing the right hates more than when the ideas from the left work as intended.

Nothing the left hates more than when the "ideas" from the right turn out to be total disasters.

Right hate vs. left hate.
03:03 PM on 08/01/2009
I don't get why we're calling this a huge sucess....when the gov't pays people to buy a car...why are we surprised that they go out and buy a car.

We we not all excited when home ownership was at all time highs, and our economy was great...everyone was happy with that.....but long term we set ourselves up for disaster.

Lets look at the long term of this program.....Everyone who is in the car market bought their cars right now, because of the great deal...but a year from now, and the year after....how many cars wil we sell...because if we sell almost a million cars now...who's left to buy them in the next 5 years? Are we gonna subsidize this industry everytime is slows down?
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06:49 PM on 08/01/2009
People like me and my husband who will need a car a year from now but don't own a car that gets 18 mpg!

Think!
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retroredux
10:24 AM on 08/01/2009
Cash for Clunkers type programs are not new. Many countries have had them. They have normally be called scrappage programs.

Germany's started in January of this year and was also so successful it had to go back for more funds. They saw a 40 percent increase in auto sales.

More info about the 12 or so countries whove offered scrappage programs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrappage_program
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10:09 AM on 08/01/2009
Just goes to show that the government can't even run a simple used car trade in program. It has turned into a giant charlie foxtrot. And people expect these freaking idiots to administor a national health care program?
12:52 PM on 08/01/2009
Hey you may want to look into how succesfull that recent KFC coupon deal promoted by Oprah was. Every KFC ran out of stuff in just an hour or two and they expected no problems. A computer printed coupon yet every kfc location was backed up for blocks causing cops to be called in.

Numerous private programs have often run out of stuff due to popular it was. Funny when they do it is called a huge success yet when it happens to the goverment it is a failure by Republican standards.

Get a grip on reality please.
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06:50 PM on 08/01/2009
What they didn't anticipate was how big a success it was -- hello? They had to suspend it because they ran out of money! It is working, that's why they had to get more funding. See, that's how it works!
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08:46 AM on 08/01/2009
First. The government is not giving out money to car buyers, The government has no money.
The government is taking money from non car buyers and transferring it to car buyers.
If you can't afford a new car, you are being asked to subsidize those that can.
If you bought an economy car, you are now paying cash dollars out of your pocket to those that bought gas guzzling SUVs.

Law of unintended consequences.

This program will help foreign car makers as well as American. The US owns GM. Aren't we subsidizing Honda?

Those people that can only afford a used car will have much less inventory to pick from and as a result, have to pay more for their used car now.
They are driving up the costs of all automobiles.

Those freeks that are frugal and recycle things like cars, won't be able to get used engines for their old cars because all the engines are being destroyed.
The government is promoting consumerism and spending when people are losing their jobs and are trying to save.
12:58 PM on 08/01/2009
You are aware right that a lot of these cars even if owned by a foreign company are built in the US or parts were built in the US? Also the dealers are in the US and state taxes are allowed to the purchase of the vehicle. Also a lot of people looking to trade in cars found out their cars were ineligible but since the dealers were offering other deals as well they decided to buy a new more fuel efficent car.
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06:52 PM on 08/01/2009
That's irrelevant to Peter 007! He might have one of his tax dollars go to some black guy in another state and he can't have it!

They don't understand the law of supply and demand -- they are still waiting for the trickle!
08:11 AM on 08/01/2009
And what did the Senate do?

Frankly, the program is great and also a fiasco for dealers. Too bad. This is how a real stimulus works.
03:41 AM on 08/01/2009
So if this is good for the economy/environment....why don't we give every family $3000 to buy energy star appliances?

I mean really....what did this accomplish? Our gov't gave out $3 Billion to people to buy cars. Now we have people who traded in cars that they probably owned outright, and are now paying what...at least $150/month for a car in a time when unemployment is expected to soar above 10%.

Are we making sure these people can actually afford the car? Remember what happened when the gov't intervened in the housing market? If these people lose their jobs who are we gonna blame when they're left walking to work and have poor credit?

And did we really increase the number of cars sold? Everyone bought their cars now, and we probably will have a big down period after this ends, since everyone is cashing in now.
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10:00 AM on 08/01/2009
Quote from unlvgop: So if this is good for the economy/environment....why don't we give every family $3000 to buy energy star appliances?

Actually your government, under Bush, has been doing this for years-a TAX CREDIT for energy efficient improvements to your home, and it's still going on-

http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=tax_credits.tx_index
12:59 PM on 08/01/2009
Obama expanded the energy efficency credits btw. People are getting far more then they ever did under Bush in terms of tax credits, rebates.
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03:40 AM on 08/01/2009
Germany tried this earlier this year, and it was a huge success.
However; Germany, population 82 million, had $5 billion for their cash-for-clunkers program.
USA, population 305 million, is putting in $3 billion. Given the current state of the U.S. economy, it might help to put even more money into this program.
03:43 AM on 08/01/2009
How do we know if this is successful? It's only 4 days old...shouldn't we wait until the year is over so we can see if car sales actually went up, and if MPG of cars sold actually went up? If after this program is over, car sales make a huge drop, then what is so successful? So we sell some "greener" cars for a month, what's the big deal in the grand scheme of things?
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10:20 AM on 08/01/2009
Read what mamacat posted-Germany has had success with this-Japan is also doing this BTW, they put 8 billion into their program as well.

The UK started their own program when they saw how well Germany did:

http://blogs.edmunds.com/greencaradvisor/2009/04/united-kingdom-creates-870-million-cash-for-clunkers-program.html

according to that article, Germany saw a 40 percent increase.