NRA Threatens To Punish Senators Who Vote For Sotomayor... No One Listens

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JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS | 08/ 1/09 10:21 PM | AP

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FILE -- In this July 16, 2009 file photo, President Barack Obama's Supreme Court nominee, Sonia Sotomayor, appears before the Senate Judiciary Committee on the fourth day of her confirmation hearing, on Capitol Hill in Washington (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite, File)

WASHINGTON — The National Rifle Association's threat to punish senators who vote for Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor has been met with a shrug by Democrats from conservative-leaning states and some Republicans who are breaking with their party to support her.

The gun rights group is used to getting its way by spooking lawmakers about the political consequences of defying its wishes. But it never before has weighed in on a Supreme Court confirmation battle. It was cautious about breaking that pattern, and it looks like a losing a fight to defeat President Barack Obama's first pick for the court.

Sotomayor is expected to easily win confirmation in a vote this coming week that could deflate the long-accepted truism in Washington that you don't cross the NRA.

Voting "yes" will include A-plus-rated and NRA-endorsed Democratic Sen. Max Baucus and his fellow Montanan, A-rated Sen. Jon Tester, as well as A-rated and NRA-endorsed Tennessee Sen. Lamar Alexander, the only GOP leader to break with the rest of this party to back Sotomayor.

That's not to say that the NRA's late decision to wade in hasn't had an impact.

Many Republicans who were considered possible "yes" votes for Sotomayor – including Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch, Georgia Sens. Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson, and Texas Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison – have come out against her after the NRA's announcement, citing gun rights concerns as an important reason.

Some Democrats who have high NRA ratings, including Alaska Sen. Mark Begich and Nebraska Sen. Ben Nelson, are on the fence.

Still, the NRA's threats seem to hold less potency on this vote. Asked whether he was worried about ruining his perfect NRA score and endorsement by opting to vote for Sotomayor, Nelson paused and said with a smile, "I'd probably have a good rating regardless."

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The NRA derives much of its considerable clout from what has become a kind of mantra on Capitol Hill: Defy the gun lobby on something it cares about and face recriminations at the polls; back it and enjoy a substantial political boost.

It's something of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Lawmakers generally are terrified to test it, and the NRA is politically savvy about which issues it takes on. Its won-loss record adds to its reputation as untouchable.

So why would the gun lobby risk undercutting its clout by stepping into this Supreme Court debate?

GOP leaders, particularly Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Senate's top Republican, helped forced the group's hand.

At the conclusion of the Senate Judiciary confirmation hearing for Sotomayor two weeks ago, the NRA came out in opposition to her, calling her "hostile" to the Second Amendment right to bear arms. But it stopped short of saying it would include the vote on her confirmation in its political ratings.

In a later meeting on Capitol Hill with Republican senators and conservative activists, McConnell asked if the group planned to "score" the confirmation vote. The NRA was noncommittal.

Accounts of the meeting vary, and McConnell's aides deny that he leaned on the NRA to rate the Sotomayor vote. But others present or briefed later on the session said it was clear that McConnell and other leaders wanted the NRA's scorekeeping. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorize to detail the private exchange.

One key player who has closely tracked the nomination said Republican leaders had been pressing the gun lobby for weeks to make the vote on Sotomayor a priority.

"Republican leaders reminded them that if they don't care about judges, they should," said Curt Levey of the conservative Committee for Justice. "For 130 years, the NRA could be effective by focusing on legislation, but now, after last year's Supreme Court decision in Heller, this issue is in the courts – pretty much like abortion was after Roe v. Wade."

In the Heller case, the Supreme Court last year struck down the District of Columbia's handgun ban and held that individuals have a constitutional right to guns. But it was a narrow ruling that the court didn't apply to states' controls on guns.

The NRA says it sat on the fence for so long on Sotomayor because its leaders wanted to give her the opportunity to reassure gun rights supporters during her confirmation hearings about her views on the issue.

In her testimony, Sotomayor declined to call gun rights "fundamental" – meaning that they apply to states as well as the federal government – although she said she'd have an open mind on the issue if it came before the court.

As a federal appeals court judge, Sotomayor was part of a panel that ruled this year that the Second Amendment doesn't limit state controls on guns – only federal ones. That was in keeping with a 19th Century Supreme Court precedent and subsequent appellate court rulings.

"The simple fact is that as far as this nominee is concerned, she has a track record on Second Amendment issues, and it's one that is of great concern to us," said Andrew Arulanandam, an NRA spokesman. "We wanted to give the nominee a chance to respond, but after four days of testimony, none of the concerns we had about Judge Sotomayor were dispelled – in fact, based on some of her responses, our concerns increased."

But by the time the NRA announced it would score her confirmation vote, several senators it rates highly had already come out in Sotomayor's favor, including Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Democratic Sens. Tim Johnson of South Dakota and Mark Warner of Virginia.

In the days since, other senators have inquired privately as to how much they could hurt themselves by supporting Sotomayor, only to be given an ambiguous answer: It's too early to tell.

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On the Net:

NRA: http://home.nra.org

Senate Judiciary Committee: http://judiciary.senate.gov/

WASHINGTON — The National Rifle Association's threat to punish senators who vote for Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor has been met with a shrug by Democrats from conservative-leaning states...
WASHINGTON — The National Rifle Association's threat to punish senators who vote for Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor has been met with a shrug by Democrats from conservative-leaning states...
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Senators should vote how they feel based on her credentials, and how their vote will effect their constituents, and not because they have been bullied.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 08/05/2009
- djkrlsn I'm a Fan of djkrlsn 23 fans permalink

Agreed--and part of how she should be judged is how vigorously she defends the ENTIRE BOR

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 08/05/2009
- trisha08 I'm a Fan of trisha08 66 fans permalink

Now that Palin has aligned herself with the NRA---speaking for them past weekend and getting several awards, does that mean that the NRA will force politicians to back Palin or they will "hurt" them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 08/04/2009

NRA where do they stand on domestic spying, the outing of CIA agents, torture, curtailed civil liberties, just to mention a few issues? Seeing that the NRA is all about the Constitution , I am sure they are lobbying very hard to see that the rule of law is reinstated and they are pushing for Congressional investigations of the Bush administration. Can anybody bring me up to speed on where the NRA stands on these issues? Just curious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 08/03/2009
- djkrlsn I'm a Fan of djkrlsn 23 fans permalink

sorry festus--the NRA is a single issue organization--if it is not firearm related-it is not covered by the NRA charter--and since according to almost 40 Supreme Court decisions--there is an individual right to own firearms totally unrelated to militia service--why don't you ask the ACLU, AARP and the NAACP why they are not active in defending the 2nd amendment--

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 08/03/2009

So they take no stand. Thanks for the info.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 08/04/2009
- Toonadude I'm a Fan of Toonadude 15 fans permalink

G.W. Bush ..... domestic spying ....... curtailed civil liberties.­....Gonzal­es/Lautenb­erg Bill ....... infringement on RKBA.

Gee .... I don't think I can connect those dots so I'm sure that the "single issue" NRA couldn't either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 AM on 08/04/2009
- Bude I'm a Fan of Bude 165 fans permalink
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Wayne's world!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 08/03/2009
- solarian I'm a Fan of solarian 15 fans permalink

I used to be a member droping it today

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 08/03/2009
- Petey131 I'm a Fan of Petey131 28 fans permalink

The NRA did not push McCain/Palin over the edge to win. The NRA is irrelevant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 08/03/2009
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Then why are there 17 pages of comments (as of the time I am writing this) concerning the NRA?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 08/03/2009

There are pages and pages of comments, mostly by people who are finally speaking out about the true intentions of the NRA. a growing majority of Americans are sick of the gun monopoly. We The People are slowly taking the unlimited lobbyist clout away from the NRA, and reminding our elected officials to whom they should owe their allegiance- to the people who gave them their jobs to begin with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 08/03/2009
- loki I'm a Fan of loki 128 fans permalink
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I am a gun owner, but I do not blindly agree with everything the NRA does or says. In fact, I more often do not agree than agree and am no longer a member. This is just politics by extortion

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 08/03/2009
- jsgaetano I'm a Fan of jsgaetano 193 fans permalink
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A person can be pro-gun without being pro-NRA. The NRA is actually pro-gun sales... even when those sales are made to terrorists at Red State gun shows.

What's good for gun owners doesn't necessarily mean what's best for the gun industry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 08/03/2009
- djkrlsn I'm a Fan of djkrlsn 23 fans permalink

then why do you claim that ALL the pro RKBA posters are terrorists and should be kept from owning guns--like I told kelli shedances (who posted that in her opinion that I should NOT be allowed to own either of my bolt action rifles (M1917 ENfieid and SMLE4) because they are both military surplus. She also thinks I should not be allowed to own my defensive handguns because they are or were police or military issue. What compromise should I make with a person that still supports complete civilian disarmament post Heller?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 08/03/2009
- djkrlsn I'm a Fan of djkrlsn 23 fans permalink

But certain thing supported by groups like MAIG and the Brady campaign--namely trying to sue the firearm industry out of existence for the illegal actions of someone who did not purchase a gun through legal channels (just like the car manufacturer is NOT responsible for the actions of a drunk that steals a vehicle and hits a school yard of kids--the gun industry is NOT responsible for a criminal obtaining a stolen gun) harms BOTH the gun owner and the gun industry

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 08/03/2009
- djkrlsn I'm a Fan of djkrlsn 23 fans permalink

I am a gun owner and an NRA member--and I don't agree with all they do--and it is hardly extortion to try to reward friends and punish enemies

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 AM on 08/04/2009
- trisha08 I'm a Fan of trisha08 66 fans permalink

Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 08/04/2009
- JazzSax UT I'm a Fan of JazzSax UT 8 fans permalink

Gotta love Hatch... what a wishy washy, crappy song writing, waste of space Senator that is.

Good thing our fair state of Utah has Our Senator from Pennsylvania, Orrin Hatch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 08/03/2009
- MissKaren I'm a Fan of MissKaren 40 fans permalink

What is the NRA going to do -- sh oot them?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 08/03/2009
- djkrlsn I'm a Fan of djkrlsn 23 fans permalink

no--just try to put them out of office like they did in 1994

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 AM on 08/04/2009
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What about the guns? Does nobody think of the guns? The poor guns.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 08/03/2009
- stylenease I'm a Fan of stylenease 18 fans permalink
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The NRA is right up there with the Health Insurance companies -- it is bad for America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 08/03/2009
- tedmore123 I'm a Fan of tedmore123 3 fans permalink

Especially the way they wrap themselves in the flag and using the stance that placing ANY limits on guns (even automobile - style registration and insurance) goes against what the founding fathers wanted in the constitutional right to bear arms. Keep in mind there were no automatic weapons, semi automatic hand guns - just muskets that could shoot one round per minute (limited by the skill of the reloader and the reliability of the cap and moisture content of the powder) I think if we updated for firepower, the founders would WANT weapons like we have today be a little better regulated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 08/03/2009
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While there were no semiauto hand guns, firearms were not limited to muskets. Rifles were also common as were multi shot handguns, with the ability to fire as rapidly, if not more rapidly than a semiauto today... Not sure on this last point, what I am sure of is that a revolver can be fired more quickly than a semi. As for a musket, your speed calculation is off by a factor of 4 or 5. With minimal training, a person could fire 4 or 5 rounds a minute.

However and regardless of the foregoing, your complaint is more aptly addressed via a Constituional Amendment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 08/03/2009
- Lilly-G I'm a Fan of Lilly-G 20 fans permalink

It is shocking to know how much influence special interest groups exert over our elected officials. And especially shocking how these officials bend over to accommodate them. Its despicable these people are so easily bought and sold for a vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 AM on 08/03/2009

Damn, the GOP is on everyone's payroll.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 AM on 08/03/2009
- Raster I'm a Fan of Raster 22 fans permalink

It's telling that the NRA, who has never opposed a Supreme Court nominee previously, chooses to commit against the first Hispanic to be nominated. It's telling loud and clear to Hispanics: we are your enemy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 AM on 08/03/2009
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These lawmakers who are going against the NRA-ILA, we need a list so those who want to donate to their elections can.

Those who refuse to go against them, we need to list to know who to boycott come election time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 AM on 08/03/2009
- jukesgrrl I'm a Fan of jukesgrrl 72 fans permalink
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Four of them are listed right here: Hatch of Utah, Chambliss and Isakson of Georgia, and Texan Kay Bailey Hutchison. Hutchinson is not even running for re-election, but it's because she's going to run for governor of Texas. I'm sure whichever Democrat runs against her (should she win the Republican primary) would heartily appreciate your support.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 AM on 08/03/2009
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