Nassim Taleb Rips Summers, Geithner, Bernanke (VIDEO)

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First Posted: 08- 3-09 11:10 AM   |   Updated: 09- 3-09 05:12 AM

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One of earliest and most outspoken experts who warned of disaster before the nation plunged into an economic crisis called out the president Monday for turning to advisers who either missed, fundamentally misunderstood, or contributed to the financial industry meltdown.

Nassim Taleb, author of the book "The Black Swan," took some highly personalized swipes at what he deemed "the triplets" -- Barack Obama's chief economic adviser, Larry Summers, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Fed Chairman Ben Bernake -- during an appearance on MSNBC's "Morning Meeting with Dylan Ratigan."

"Let's look at them," said Taleb. "They don't seem to understand risk. They have their models and were blinded by their models. The first person not to understand risk is Larry Summers ... [L]ook at Harvard's finances, all right? He is going to do to us what he did to Harvard?"

"Second one, look at Geithner," he added. "In the rare instance in which you have to look at someone's behavior, the gentleman's house, he couldn't understand the risk of the real estate market? That the house could drop in value? Look at him. He is stuck with his house. Look at the numbers. You can see a lot of jokes on the way with someone with these mortgages."

"The third person is Bernanke," Taleb said. "We're giving more power to the Fed, who got us here?"

Ouch. For the record, Harvard's endowment dropped more than 20 percent last summer after risky investments -- ignored by Summers -- turned up lame. Geithner, meanwhile, had difficulty selling his New York home after moving to D.C. because of a lousy housing market. He was ultimately forced to rent his house at a rate that was short of the monthly mortgage payments on his two loans.



The episode was part of a larger discussion on systemic risk. Taleb, a scholar in the epistemology of chance who became a critic of the financial derivatives industry during his time on Wall Street, used the forum to outline the need for regulatory reform that would ensure that future errors or misdeeds don't bring down the entire financial system.

"What got us here is the pseudo-expert," he said. "So I want an economy where economists can be as incompetent as they want, and we are still adaptable."

And while Summers, Geithner and Bernanke received the brunt of Taleb's criticism, President Obama himself was not left untouched.

"When I saw Obama I had high hopes, all right? Although I'm not a Democrat by any standard, I'm close to libertarian, but I had high hopes when I saw Obama," he said. "He did very well... in the international scene. But here I'm so disappointed."

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- jalowe1957 I'm a Fan of jalowe1957 48 fans permalink
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Larry Summers, Timothy Geithner and Ben Bernake: The triplets of Belleville.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 08/04/2009
- getsmart85 I'm a Fan of getsmart85 2 fans permalink

The three stooges believe that the "score" should always be measured with money, and that "intelligence" always trumps common sense. All three stooges made significant blunders. When Summers promoted deregulation (whoops), when Giethner purchased his house at the peak (whoops), and when Bernacke facilitated the biggest real estate bubble in history (whoops).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 08/04/2009
- MyTake I'm a Fan of MyTake 33 fans permalink
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A scholar this man may be, but he is not a investigator.

You cannot talk about Bernanke, Geithner or Summers unless you are inherently studied on the two interlocked syndicates that have assumed full control of the U.S. Administration. The Bilderberg Group, and its worker bee interlock, the Council on Foreign Relations, both selected and installed these three into the Obama Administration. And they control the FED chief as well.

The Bilderberg Group held there secret 3 day annual meeting in Chantilly Virginia, in July, 2008 (right in the middle of the primaries). Take a look at the U.S. contingent that attended this 135 member internationally powerful group that is deciding the events for the next 12 months that occur along the march to globalization (single global government on or about 2015): http://illegalprotest.com/2008/06/08/list-of-bilderberg-2008-attendees-globalists-exposed/ .

There sat Bernanke, Paulsen, Geithner, Summers with Rockefeller and Kissinger telling all four exactly what they are going to do.

I have dropped this on Mr. Stein several times and he refuses to mention The Bilderberg Group, which is under global publication ban as evidenced by Rose, WSJ and WaPo reps seated at that meeting who also will not publicly discuss the activities of this group. So, Mr. Stein, if you don't write about these meetings, how is this poor scholar supposed to find out about them or your readership for that matter?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 08/04/2009
- rf-hawaii I'm a Fan of rf-hawaii 27 fans permalink

I heard somewhere that the Fed was created by a vote of only a handful of senators. Everyone else was adjourned for the holidays.

Is this true? Does anyone have a reference?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 08/04/2009

The book "The Creature from Jeckyll Island" tells the story of the founding of the Fed. It is quite fascinating.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 08/05/2009
- dadw5boys I'm a Fan of dadw5boys 281 fans permalink
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Funny how Bush and Paulson got a pass here and the Republican Party, Cox at the SEC and so many more who passed the laws allowing this, who lifted the RICO Laws for predatory Lenders.

So many got a pass, I wonder why.+

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:18 AM on 08/04/2009
- Rogan I'm a Fan of Rogan 36 fans permalink

"I'm not a Democrat by any standard, I'm close to Libertarian"

there's your answer

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 AM on 08/04/2009
- edwcorey I'm a Fan of edwcorey 21 fans permalink

Taleb pointed out the mess during the Bush administration, and neither he nor his politics have anything to do with the the comment you're replying to. Did you miss the course in reading comprehension?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 08/04/2009
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The Cult of the Free Market is so powerful and insidious. I like much of what Obama does, and would not vote rather than vote Republican, but he needs to take on the Culture of Greed and get more progressive thinkers involved in fixing the economy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 08/04/2009
- acudoc I'm a Fan of acudoc 30 fans permalink
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Perhaps these so-called "progressive" thinkers could actually make something-----that would be the biggest help to the economy!

But our biggest industry now is finance, which is the creative use of fiat, debt-based, paper money to build a house of cards and resell it to the next sucker that believes you can have wealth without actually making something.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 AM on 08/04/2009
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When people purchased an interest in a financial instrument like a MBS, or a CDS, they already have wealth.

Warren Buffett owned 251 derivatives when he discussed them at the shareholders meeting. Some of his wealth generating companies make a physical product, but not all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 AM on 08/04/2009
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In February 2009 Taleb viciously attacked Bernanke, and Taleb said his investment strategy was to short the market every time Bernanke appeared on TV.

So here we are almost 6 months later, and I think Bernanke has pretty much ripped your genius Taleb a new one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 08/03/2009
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Yes... by encouraging and facilitating a new round of high stakes risk taking, thereby setting the stage for yet another 'black swan' scenario, thereby ensuring that sooner or later Taleb wins... which is unfortunate because when Taleb is right, and Bernanke is wrong, everyone else loses (as some people have already discovered; bit hey, there are always a few slow learners).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 08/04/2009
- punk I'm a Fan of punk 61 fans permalink
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Anybody can temporarily save the economy by spending money on debt, as Congress and Obama have done. Reagan did it. Every president has done it since 1980. Don't get me wrong, I agreed we needed to spend that money in the last 6 months, but nobody should pretend we "fixed" anything at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 08/04/2009
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Sorry, but people like Taleb "win" about twice a century.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 08/04/2009
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This is as classic a bear market rally as they come. I DARE you to remain long over the coming 2-5 years. The market is going to top somewhere between DOW 10K and DOW 11K and then come all the way back down and then some (to perhaps 3.5K). This is a very high time frame scale and so it seems like a major rally but it is nothing more than the necessary retrace before the larger and longer move down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 08/05/2009
- punk I'm a Fan of punk 61 fans permalink
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Obama is basically bored and ignorant regarding matters of Wall Street. As a result, he has essentially decided to let Wall Street solve its own problems with our tax money. He could have been a phenomenal president, but he looks more like a law student who hasn't a clue how stocks are traded. I don't think he's interested in these kinds of issues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 08/03/2009

dear punk, just to clarify: we are in the midst of a debt crisis, and a financial crisis. This has a lot to do with insolvency and restructuring. Very little with stocks.

By the way, you'll have to work on that picture until you start looking like a law student.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 AM on 08/04/2009
- johnpapola I'm a Fan of johnpapola 15 fans permalink
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Nassim Taleb is an amazing philosopher and The Black Swan is a mind-exploding book. What everyone also needs to understand is that his philosophy is essentially the philosophy of F A Hayek with regard to the nature of knowledge in society. Taleb is a libertarian of sorts and his harshest criticism is of expert's presumption of knowledge, or as Hayek put it, the "pretense of knowledge".

I strongly recommend anyone that appreciates Taleb to take a look at Hayek's work. The knowledge that matters in our society exists in the hands of practitioners in the context of specific time and place, and not in the hands of central planners and theoretical "experts".

Consider this an onramp to skepticism about all government central planning if you are someone inclined to believe that central experts can do any good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 08/03/2009
- MalikabdOx I'm a Fan of MalikabdOx 3 fans permalink
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Anyone who is a fan of Nassim Taleb is a friend of mine. :-) John when will the world wake up. Just finishing up Road to Serfdom. The parallels in that book to today's economic environment in the U.S. is shocking.

Folks please read Road to Serfdom. Let's not repeat history.

- Malik

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 AM on 08/04/2009
- PSTEN I'm a Fan of PSTEN 10 fans permalink
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It is an excellent read. I agree it is a book about how we think and use information and the conclusions we draw. In his opinion the financial experts just do not appreciate the risk that is in a system and have strong tendencies toward ignoring information that would make one more cautious. I think he draws some very good conclusion and he points out that risk is, for a lack of a better work, more risky today because of our information systems and how fast our markets, driven by high speed computers, simply compound and create more systemic risks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 08/04/2009
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"Once a nation parts with the control of its currency and credit,
it matters not who makes the nations laws.
Usury, once in control, will wreck any nation.
Until the control of the issue of currency and credit is restored to government and recognized as its most sacred responsibility,
all talk of the sovereignty of parliament and of democracy is idle and futile."

William_Lyon_Mackenzie_King (1874-1950) Prime Minister of Canada

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 08/03/2009
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True now more than ever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 08/03/2009
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 452 fans permalink
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Nassim is now the only "economist" in mainstream that I trust, especially since Nouriel said Bernanke should keep his job and Krugman started backpedaling on the banks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 08/03/2009
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Yep Taleb is the only economist anyone should be listening to right now. While others are arguing over which is the biggest risk, inflation or deflation, Nassim is the only one willing to say that the main focus should be to minimize all risk as much as possible, rather than betting the farm that one great risk is somehow slightly less risky than another. This latest crisis should have alerted us to one thing above all else: Take big risks in search of big growth and sooner or later you're going to be wrong... and it all falls down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 PM on 08/03/2009
- johnpapola I'm a Fan of johnpapola 15 fans permalink
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You should check out the Austrian school economists, since they saw this bust coming. Have you seen "Peter Schiff was Right"? And he's just a popularizer, but a great one.

The reason Krugman and Nouriel don't know how to interpret this crisis moving forward (especially Krugman who never saw it coming) is that they are Keynesians. Nouriel saw this crack-up coming, but I think that may have been a bit of a fluke, because his calls for massive stimulus suggest that he doesn't understand what truly caused the crisis in the first place: the Bush/Greenspan monetary expansion and deficit stimulus. Wall Street got drunk, but the Fed provided the alcohol.

For an AMAZING primer on Austrian economist check out this podcast:
http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=290921643

I only discovered this stuff in the past 12 months because these were the only economists who broadly seem to have anticipated the crisis broadly. Check it out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 AM on 08/04/2009

What I find comical is that Taleb is clearly not following his own advice. In his books - particularly Fooled by Randomness - he rails against pundits and investors who analyze short term events and prognosticate on the noise. Has he not now become one of those very pundits/investors himself, with his commentary and hedge fund? It shows how very hard it is for humans to resist even a little bit of fame.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 PM on 08/03/2009
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 452 fans permalink
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Perhaps that's because the markets are manipulated?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 08/03/2009
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You don't seem to have an understanding of how his hedge fund functions. It's basically a break even fund with the added advantage that if a black swan event occurs (which one inevitably will) you are positioned to benefit, rather than lose.

Of course, you are still correct in the sense that any system of trading can only be effective so long as everyone isn't following (all trading systems need suckers... that's where the profit comes from).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 08/03/2009
- rf-hawaii I'm a Fan of rf-hawaii 27 fans permalink

The triplets don't need to know what they're doing. They're apologists for The Fed's real machinations.

The Fed member banks make a killing when they cause our economy to surge and dive. Then their front men need to look inept enough to make it all look plausible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 08/03/2009
- veracity I'm a Fan of veracity 83 fans permalink

Holy cow! HuffPost allows a bad word to be said about Obama's GoldmanSachs banksters ??!!

wtf !!

(giethner & bernanke may not have, technically, worked for goldman-sachs.... he just spent HIS ENTIRE CAREER cozying up to his mentors, Summers & RUBIN, Rubin of course was Goldman-Sachs co-CHAIRMAN, before becoming Clinton's TREASURY SECRETARY, before putting SUMMERS as #2 at Treasury, and his (Rubin's) successor as Secretary there.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 08/03/2009
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Since everyone is being so quiet, I thought I'd share a funny personal video of my avatar.
It's about two minutes long. She can do more than type with her tongue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax3rVwPWJQM&feature=channel_page

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 08/03/2009
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