Tax Revenues Post Biggest Drop Since Depression

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STEPHEN OHLEMACHER | 08/ 3/09 08:51 PM | AP

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WASHINGTON — The recession is starving the government of tax revenue, just as the president and Congress are piling a major expansion of health care and other programs on the nation's plate and struggling to find money to pay the tab.

The numbers could hardly be more stark: Tax receipts are on pace to drop 18 percent this year, the biggest single-year decline since the Great Depression, while the federal deficit balloons to a record $1.8 trillion.

Other figures in an Associated Press analysis underscore the recession's impact: Individual income tax receipts are down 22 percent from a year ago. Corporate income taxes are down 57 percent. Social Security tax receipts could drop for only the second time since 1940, and Medicare taxes are on pace to drop for only the third time ever.

The last time the government's revenues were this bleak, the year was 1932 in the midst of the Depression.

"Our tax system is already inadequate to support the promises our government has made," said Eugene Steuerle, a former Treasury Department official in the Reagan administration who is now vice president of the Peter G. Peterson Foundation.

"This just adds to the problem."

While much of Washington is focused on how to pay for new programs such as overhauling health care – at a cost of $1 trillion over the next decade – existing programs are feeling the pinch, too.

Social Security is in danger of running out of money earlier than the government projected just a few month ago. Highway, mass transit and airport projects are at risk because fuel and industry taxes are declining.

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The national debt already exceeds $11 trillion. And bills just completed by the House would boost domestic agencies' spending by 11 percent in 2010 and military spending by 4 percent.

For this report, the AP analyzed annual tax receipts dating back to the inception of the federal income tax in 1913. Tax receipts for the 2009 budget year were available through June. They were compared to the same period last year. The budget year runs from October to September, meaning there will be three more months of receipts this year.

Is there a way out of the financial mess?

A key factor is the economy's health. The future of current programs – not to mention the new ones Obama is proposing – will depend largely on how fast the economy recovers from the recession, said William Gale, co-director of the Tax Policy Center.

"The numbers for 2009 are striking, head-snapping. But what really matters is what happens next," said Gale, who previously taught economics at UCLA and was an adviser to President George H. W. Bush's Council of Economic Advisers.

"If it's just one year, then it's a remarkable thing, but it's totally manageable. If the economy doesn't recover soon, it doesn't matter what your social, economic and political agenda is. There's not going to be any revenue to pay for it."

A small part of the drop in tax receipts can be attributed to new tax credits for individuals and corporations enacted in February as part of the $787 billion economic stimulus package. The sheer magnitude of the tax decline, however, points to the deep recession that is reducing incomes, wiping out corporate profits and straining government programs.

Social Security tax receipts are down less than a percentage point from last year, but in May the government had been projecting a slight increase. At the time, the government's best estimate was that Social Security would start to pay out more money than it receives in taxes in 2016, and that the fund would be depleted in 2037 unless changes are enacted.

Some experts think the sour economy has made those numbers outdated.

"You could easily move that number up three or four years, then you're talking about 2013, and that's not very far off," said Kent Smetters, associate professor of insurance and risk management at the University of Pennsylvania.

The government's projections included best- and worst-case scenarios. Under the worst, Social Security would start to pay out more money than it received in taxes in 2013, and the fund would be depleted in 2029.

The fund's trustees are still confident the solvency dates are within the range of the worst-case scenario, said Jason Fichtner, the Social Security Administration's acting deputy commissioner.

"We're not outside our boundaries yet," Fichtner said. "As the recovery comes, we'll see how that plays out."

The recession's toll on Social Security makes it even more urgent for Congress to address the fund's long-term solvency, said Sen. Herb Kohl, D-Wis., chairman of the Senate Aging Committee.

"Over the past year, millions of older Americans have watched their retirement savings crumble, making the guaranteed income of Social Security more important than ever," Kohl said.

President Barack Obama has said he wants to tackle Social Security next year, after he clears an already crowded agenda that includes overhauling health care, addressing climate change and imposing new regulations on financial companies.

Medicare tax receipts are also down less than a percentage point for the year, pretty close to government projections. Medicare started paying out more money than it received last year.

Meanwhile, the recession is taking a toll on fuel and industry excise taxes that pay for highway, mass transit and airport projects. Fuel taxes that support road construction and mass transit projects are on pace to fall for the second straight year. Receipts from taxes on jet fuel and airline tickets are also dropping, meaning Congress will have to borrow more money to fund airport projects and the Federal Aviation Administration.

Last week, Congress voted to spend $7 billion to replenish the highway fund, which would otherwise run out of money in August. Congress spent $8 billion to replenish the fund last year.

Rep. Richard Neal, D-Mass., chairman of the House subcommittee that oversees fuel taxes, is working on a package to make the fund more self-sufficient. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, which doesn't back many tax increases, supports increasing the federal gasoline tax, currently 18.4 cents per gallon.

Neal said he hasn't endorsed a specific plan. But, he added, "You can't keep going back to the general fund."

WASHINGTON — The recession is starving the government of tax revenue, just as the president and Congress are piling a major expansion of health care and other programs on the nation's plate and ...
WASHINGTON — The recession is starving the government of tax revenue, just as the president and Congress are piling a major expansion of health care and other programs on the nation's plate and ...
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Will someone explain to me how we can continue to lose jobs, personal wealth, and tax revenue, purchasing power and still spend without limit?

Who do we expect to pay for all this debt and for how long?

I think Ron Paul was right..... "The more you prop it up to soften the fall, the harder the eventual crash."

Maybe we should just let this this system go down and start all over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 AM on 08/05/2009
- Harrier I'm a Fan of Harrier 10 fans permalink

Maybe it means America is running better and longer plays the game of buying goods it doesn't need and saving money instead of spending. Maybe it means so many Americans have given up looking for jobs, some have discovered it's not worth it and are staying at home watching their children

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 08/04/2009

And over-taxing, over-regulating and over-spending is only going to make it worse.

That is how California got to where they are today... high taxes, crazy anti-business regulations and all-you-can-eat social program candy for everyone.

To pay for lots of social programs, you need tax revenues. To collect tax revenues, you need jobs.

In order to have jobs, you need to be business-friendly. Nothing that is currently being done is business-friendly (except for Cash for Clunkers which is Corporate Welfare at its worst... friendly to only one type of business/special interest group as politicial payoff).

Since those who have posted comments here do not seem to understand the first thing about economics, I'll make it easy for you.

In a brilliant speech titled "Why the Meltdown Should Have Surprised No One", Mr. Peter Schiff explains how it all works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgMclXX5msc

If you really want to learn something, watch it. Then, if you get it, great. If you don't, you never will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 08/04/2009

Good. Now build a really tall wall around Washington, D.C. while our "representative" are still in the city, and maybe we'll all be safe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 08/04/2009
- Macdaddy10 I'm a Fan of Macdaddy10 19 fans permalink

Sounds good, but we can't let them out to hurt the middle class any more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 08/04/2009
- norkas I'm a Fan of norkas 27 fans permalink

The middle class and poor Republicans want the very weathy to continue pay less taxes then themselves and scream if the rich have to pay any additional taxes. These people have intermarried there first cousins , sheep and goats and have problems thinking .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 08/04/2009

that is why the bush tax cuts need to be repealed - yesterday

they did not create anything but less rev and more debt

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 08/04/2009
- Macdaddy10 I'm a Fan of Macdaddy10 19 fans permalink

Amen let's repeal them I am all for it. Then let's cut these give-aways to the non-producers i.e. the poor class out there also. As they only drain the system and do nothing to contribute.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 08/04/2009
- kesmarn I'm a Fan of kesmarn 76 fans permalink

Are you referring to the working poor?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 08/04/2009

can any do ntohing tell ne what jobs bush tax cuts created

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 08/04/2009

Is this what they meant by trickle down?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 08/04/2009

Let's go back to the glory days of America when corporations paid 90% of the taxes, the truly rich were taxed at the same rate and the Middle Class paid very little. We seemed to do OK under that tax scheme.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 08/04/2009
- kesmarn I'm a Fan of kesmarn 76 fans permalink

I'm with you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 08/04/2009
- Macdaddy10 I'm a Fan of Macdaddy10 19 fans permalink

But then we could not attack the producers. and you know they are evil.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 08/04/2009
- kesmarn I'm a Fan of kesmarn 76 fans permalink

The only things Wall Street has produced over the last few years are welfare queens.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 08/04/2009
- ohiomark I'm a Fan of ohiomark 117 fans permalink

Duh!

Everybody knows that you can't pay taxes if you are not working. A small business owner will, if forced to pay higher taxes, will lay off people, thus creating less taxpayers.

When tax cuts occur, the government takes in MORE tax revenue.

http://www.businessandmedia.org/commentary/2006/com20060111.asp

We don't need more taxes, we need more taxpayers.

It seems that the government likes to use the IRS to punish success instead of raising revenue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 08/04/2009

Or, perhaps, it is that a solid majority corporations pay no income tax. http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN1249465620080812

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 08/04/2009
- ohiomark I'm a Fan of ohiomark 117 fans permalink

Sure, they just pass them on to their customers in the price of what they sell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 08/04/2009
- jennylynn I'm a Fan of jennylynn 49 fans permalink

Sounds like the middle class better get prepared for higher taxes afterall.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 AM on 08/04/2009
- RomeoMD25 I'm a Fan of RomeoMD25 51 fans permalink

Judging by his actions thus far,? Obamas only loyalties appear to be towards an International banking cabal, and the UN.

If anybody wanted to know how GW Bush? would look BLACK, now we know !!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 08/04/2009
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While not income taxes, Rahm needs to pay his property tax on his house in Chicago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 AM on 08/04/2009
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The inheritance tax. Accounts Receivable Tax Building Permit Tax CDL license Tax Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax Dog License Tax Excise Taxes Federal Income Tax Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA) Fishing License Tax Food License Tax Fuel Permit Tax Gasoline Tax Gross Receipts Tax
Hunting License Tax Inventory Tax IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax Luxury Taxes Marriage License Tax Medicare Tax Personal Property Tax Property Tax
Real Estate Tax Service Charge Tax Social Security Tax Road Usage Tax Sales Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax School Tax State Income Tax State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
elephone Federal Excise Tax Telephone Federal Universal Ser vice FeeTax Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge=2 0Tax Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax Telephone State and Local Tax Telephone Usage Charge Tax Utility Taxes Vehicle License Registration Tax Vehicle Sales Tax Watercraft Registration Tax Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY? 99% of these taxes did not exist 100 years ago,
and our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no
national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to
raise the kids.
What in the hell happened? Can you spell 'politicians?'
And I still have to 'press 1' for English!?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 AM on 08/04/2009
- washlib I'm a Fan of washlib 31 fans permalink
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What happened? What happened?

Corporations and the Rich got HUGE taxcuts, middle class got INCREASED taxes to compensate. These taxes are all for middle class.

You can thank corporations, the wealthy and the US's continued m1litary imp3rialism throughout the world for the massive tax increases on the middle class.

Thanks reichwingers!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 PM on 08/04/2009

Doesn't this reflect Bush's tax cuts to the wealthy as well as a drop in general revenues?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 AM on 08/04/2009
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No this reflects Obama's growing government and taking from the American people and the economy to do so. Any time you grow government you shrink the economy because the government does not make money it takes it from the economy. This also reflects the large unemployment numbers and the slowing of business as they contract to get ready for the upcoming tax hikes in Cap and Trade and other taxes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 AM on 08/04/2009
- MyrtleJune I'm a Fan of MyrtleJune 51 fans permalink

That's a crock. This didn't just happen since January 20. It happened when gw bush got elected and even before when reagan began deregulation. This is the natural end point of "trickle down" economics. The economics that intends people be kept down so that others may be propped up. The thing is when you don't tend to those that prop you up, well things tend to fall apart. Plain and simple....... this happened because of Iraq and Afgahnistan and not the military but the contractors and the mercenary army we pay for. Paulson went to congress with his little three page request for the bailout and the dye was cast.

If you cannot discern the difference in INVESTING in a country to pull it out of a steep nose dive and the total gutting of the American economy for the last 8 years and longer, then you need to just not type at all. What you're writing there are republican talking points which have no basis in reality. That much has been proven again and again. Stop it.

Yes, this does reflect the tax cuts to richy rich, corporate welfare AND a drop in revnues mostlly from the gutting of the middle class that cause so much job loss. That bush tab has come due....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 AM on 08/04/2009
- jennylynn I'm a Fan of jennylynn 49 fans permalink

You summed it up beautifully.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 AM on 08/04/2009

Faster, please. The sooner the whole system collapses and we can kill the big-government monster, the better. I want to return to 1890 levels of taxation and governmental spending. Death to collectivism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 AM on 08/04/2009
- whoknew--- I'm a Fan of whoknew--- 10 fans permalink


Our government isn't perfect and that would be a foolish idea on many levels you have there....

When there is no government, mayhem prevails.

What makes you think if our government collapses it would magically return to 1890 levels of taxation and governmental spending?

Is there going to be a vote and everybody will just fall into your line of thinking?

No, we would be vulnerable to a power struggle that would seize the vacuum you long for, a bloody and protracted one too.

Also our country would be very, very vulnerable to other states who may have an interest in whatever assets we may have.

Great Idea, the our whole governmental infrastructure collapsing, ever visit a history book and see what usually happens time after time when that particular scenario occurs?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 AM on 08/04/2009
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What we need is a Federal Government that is one third the current size. Government does not make money it takes money. It takes that money from me and you and the economy. If we shrank government then the economy would grow and you would not have to worry about shrinking tax revenues. What we need is a government that makes laws and regulates. We do not need a government that ownes business, decides who gets paid what, doles out health care, taxes energy, or has pet projects. Our Federal government has four jobs. Make an enforce laws, protect the American people from enemies foreign and domestic, take care of our interstate, and tax the people to pay for the first three. Our government has been growing since FDR but now it is government growth on steroids. Save the economy and shrink government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 AM on 08/04/2009
- Peter007 I'm a Fan of Peter007 30 fans permalink
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When in the course of Human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the Separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and Natures God entitle them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 08/04/2009

Obama:

That is what happens when you forced the auto companies to shut down dealerships, product lines with their loyal customers, and a whole infrastructure of factories.

Wall Street Car Czar Rattner really wreaked havoc on Obama's economic recovery.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 AM on 08/04/2009
- whoknew--- I'm a Fan of whoknew--- 10 fans permalink


Auto industry is recovering, slowly, Ford and other auto companies are doing much better since we have a new program that gives incentives for people to trade in their old cars for newer models. ("Cash for Clunkers").

Apparently this program was modeled after the Germans highly successful program for getting old cars off the road.

It going to take time and I believe this is one avenue that is working.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 AM on 08/04/2009
- kesmarn I'm a Fan of kesmarn 76 fans permalink

There wouldn't even BE a domestic auto industry if it weren't for Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 08/04/2009
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