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RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR | 08/ 5/09 07:41 PM | AP

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Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., flanked by Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, left, and Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, D-R.I., speaks to reporters on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, Aug. 5, 2009, about the challenges of passing a health care reform bill. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

WASHINGTON — Health care legislation before Congress would allow a new government-sponsored insurance plan to cover abortions, a decision that would affect millions of women and recast federal policy on the divisive issue.

Federal funds for abortions are now restricted to cases involving rape, incest or danger to the life of the mother. Abortion opponents say those restrictions should carry over to any health insurance sold through a new marketplace envisioned under the legislation, an exchange where people would choose private coverage or the public plan.

Abortion rights supporters say that would have the effect of denying coverage for abortion to millions of women who now have it through workplace insurance and are expected to join the exchange.

Advocates on both sides are preparing for a renewed battle over abortion, which could jeopardize political support for President Barack Obama's health care initiative aimed at covering nearly 50 million uninsured and restraining medical costs. The dispute could come to a head with House and Senate floor votes on abortion this fall, a prospect that many lawmakers would like to avoid.

"We want to see people who have no health insurance get it, but this is a sticking point," said Richard Doerflinger, associate director of pro-life activities for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. "We don't want health care reform to be the vehicle for mandating abortion." The church can't accept a public plan that covers abortion, he said.

Donna Crane, policy director for NARAL Pro-Choice America, said abortion opponents "want an abortion ban in private insurance, and that's not neutrality at all – that's a radical departure from current law. They want something far more extreme than where I think the American public is."

A compromise approved by a House committee last week attempted to balance questions of federal funding, personal choice and the conscience rights of clinicians. It would allow the public plan to cover abortion but without using federal funds, only dollars from beneficiary premiums. Likewise, private plans in the new insurance exchange could opt to cover abortion, but no federal subsidies would be used to pay for the procedure.

"It's a sham," said Douglas Johnson, legislative director for National Right to Life. "It's a bookkeeping scheme. The plan pays for abortion, and the government subsidizes the plan."

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Rep. Lois Capps, D-Calif., author of the compromise, said she was trying to craft a solution that would accommodate both sides. Her amendment also would allow plans that covered no abortions whatsoever – not even in cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother – to be offered through the insurance exchange.

"With all due respect, not everyone adheres to what the Catholic bishops believe," said Capps, who supports abortion rights. "Our country allows for both sides, and our health plan should reflect that as well."

But Senate staffers said Capps' compromise is unacceptable to Republican senators.

For years, abortion rights supporters and abortion opponents have waged the equivalent of trench warfare over restrictions on federal funding. Abortion opponents have largely prevailed, instituting restrictions that bar federal funding for abortion, except in cases of rape and incest or if the mother's life would be endangered.

A law called the Hyde amendment applies the restrictions to Medicaid, forcing states that cover abortion for low-income women to do so with their own money. Separate laws apply the restrictions to the federal employee health plan and military and other programs.

The health overhaul would create a stream of federal funding not covered by the restrictions.

The new federal funds would take the form of subsidies for low- and middle-income people buying coverage through the health insurance exchange. Subsidies would be available for people to buy the public plan or private coverage. Making things more complicated, the federal subsidies would be mixed in with contributions from individuals and employers. Eventually, most Americans could end up getting their coverage through the exchange.

The Democratic health care legislation as originally introduced in the House and Senate did not mention abortion. That rang alarm bells for abortion opponents.

Since abortion is a legal medical procedure, experts on both sides say not mentioning it would allow health care plans in the new insurance exchange to provide unrestricted coverage.

It would mirror the private insurance market, where abortion coverage is widely available. A Guttmacher Institute study found that 87 percent of typical employer plans covered abortion in 2002, while a Kaiser Family Foundation survey in 2003 found that 46 percent of workers in employer plans had coverage for abortions. The studies asked different questions, which might help explain the disparity in the results.

In the Senate, the plan passed by the health committee is largely silent on the abortion issue. Staff aides confirmed that the public plan – and private insurance offered in the exchange – would be allowed to cover abortion, without funding restrictions. However, a bipartisan group of Finance Committee senators is discussing the issue and may take a different approach.

As the House and Senate bills stand now, the decision to offer abortion coverage in the public plan would be made by the health and human services secretary.

Abortion opponents are seeking a prohibition against using any federal subsidies to pay for abortions or for any part of any costs of a health plan that offers abortion. Such a proposal was voted down by the House Energy and Commerce Committee, the same panel that approved Capps' amendment. It's not likely to be the end of the story.

Aides to Reps. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., and Joseph Pitts, R-Pa., who sponsored the restrictive proposal that lost in committee, said the pair will press for a separate vote on abortion funding when the health care bill comes before the full House this fall.

Abortion opponents say private plans in the insurance exchange could be allowed to cover abortion, but only if it's offered under a separate, supplemental policy that individuals would have to buy on their own.

"You can have a result where nobody has to pay for other people's abortions," said Doerflinger.

Heidi Hartmann, president of the Institute for Women's Policy Research, said applying the current restrictions for federal employees and low-income women to a program intended for the middle class will provoke a backlash.

"There is a difference between picking off one group of women here and one group there and something that would affect a very large group," Hartmann said. "Everyone would like to avoid that fight."

(This version CORRECTS that federal funds for abortions are now restricted to cases involving rape, incest or danger to the life of the mother instead of danger to the health of the mother.))

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- CR46 I'm a Fan of CR46 196 fans permalink

John III
I have a question for you?? What are your views on supporting women and teen mothers in our society?? Or even the family that has a large number of children and can't afford daycare for the mother to work because she has no education because she was busy getting her "quiverful" of children??? Should we just expand the social service programs so all these children can be supported and fed??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 08/06/2009
- CR46 I'm a Fan of CR46 196 fans permalink

Hmmm...no answer. Just like I thought.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 08/06/2009
- Opti I'm a Fan of Opti 37 fans permalink
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Crickets bring good luck ;-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 08/07/2009
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Should we just expand the social service programs so all these children can be supported and fed?

Sounds like a plan to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 AM on 08/11/2009
- IFTYS I'm a Fan of IFTYS 19 fans permalink
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MathIsTruth wrote -- Keeping abortions as an option is PART of making us a more perfect society. The opposition to abortions is religion-based.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/05/abortion-coverage-allowed_n_251605.html?show_comment_id=28409165#comment_28409165
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Making us a more perfect society??? Since Roe vs. Wade, over 50 million, that is 50,000,000 deaths have occurred due to abortion and having "IT" making us a more perfect society.

That is 8-10x more deaths than the total deaths from Nazi genocidal policies. Do you think that the Nazi Death Camps helped in creating a "more perfect" society???

Your total lack of standards & values, and those relating to abortion, are extremely skewed.

Please note that MY opposition is by the numbers and not religion-based. That's a whole set of ideology that you liberals fail miserably at in your life.

So tell me why my tax dollars should fund a medical procedure that I happen to not agree with? Because someone woman lacks the moral sense to keep her legs crossed instead of spreading them wide for a few good moment, and my tax dollars will be required to fund this death procedure?

No I don't think so. obamacare will die a slow and painful death.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 08/06/2009
- TimLB I'm a Fan of TimLB 11 fans permalink

Keep abortion legal! Keep religion OUT of the health care system!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 08/06/2009

How do you keep religion out of health care system....Years ago when hospitals were created they were most often created by the church..ie St. Mary's etc .It was often the nuns that performed the duties of the nurse. for profit" hospitals became more common, What type of people became the staff? People that initially became nurses, Drs, etc chose this field because they find a certain kind of satisfaction in helping others,saving lives, healing hearts/souls. Medicine isn't just about the physical body, it is a proven fact that the mental wellbeing plays a part in the healing process. The USA was founded on freedoms, including religious freedoms. Its what made our diverse culture strong, healthy, GREAT. We as Americans belong to a special society that allows diversity, NOW, seems like everywhere we turn, we are not allowed to be who we are.We are suppose to be tolerant of every "type" of personal beliefs... we are being told to be tolerant of these new choices, or we are classed as intolerant, not American non-conformists. We are told its everyones right to marry, even same sex marriages etc...Many people do not agree with these choices, or beliefs, and yet we are condemned, and unAmerican if we speak up , by the way, not EVERYONE that disagrees with these new cultural movements, including abortion, make these choices because of RELIGIOUS beliefs. Some just have "gut feelings", moral character beliefs that these changes in our society are wrong...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 AM on 08/07/2009
- JIzin I'm a Fan of JIzin 2 fans permalink

Abortion is a choice that belongs to individual women, not to a room full of old men be they politicians or religious leaders.
If a child is never born there is good reason for that. Forcing women to carry all babies through term when they dont want them is harmful to society. I recomend reading a chapter out of Freakanomics by Steven Levitt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 AM on 08/06/2009
- JohnIII I'm a Fan of JohnIII 8 fans permalink

If abortion is a choice then I should have a choice not to pay for it with my tax dollars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 AM on 08/06/2009
- CR46 I'm a Fan of CR46 196 fans permalink

And many of us don't want to pay for war,,,or unneccessary prostate surgery just so men can achieve an erection--thats elective, or for uneccessary multiple births from families that don't believe in birth control.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 08/06/2009
- TimLB I'm a Fan of TimLB 11 fans permalink

Then you should spring for the condoms!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 08/06/2009
- Opti I'm a Fan of Opti 37 fans permalink
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In a representational democracy, that's just not how we operate...and you should be glad. What if I got to choose whose Social Security plan I paid into ;-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 08/06/2009

I agree to some degree, that abortions are an individual womans right...if they are truly high risk for death...but, if the government uses that phrase: risk to mothers health, there are ways to find a health risk to the mother, which = way around it. I was conceived out of wedlock..thank God my mother decided to have me...I would like to think that the 20 + yrs I have worked in the medical field, actually being part of teams that literally saved lives, was and is a contibution to society...If a baby is naturally aborted (not caused by humans), there are reasons for this (medical) BUT, children who are aborted by choice, is not a good enough reason! There are a lot of consequences to abortions...and children do NOT harm society! I work with special needs childen...I had a case where the mother was raped, on birthcontrol and became PG. she had no clue she was pg, until she gave birth. She decided to love and care for her daughter! She is a special needs child, can't talk, but she articulates, smiles and laughs! and boy does she say a ton of things with her eyes! They touch your life in a special way. I dare you to look into a special needs childs eyes, spend some time getting to know them, and then tell me they have no right to be here. U are so very wrong! They have so much to give!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 AM on 08/07/2009
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Democrats standing up for a woman's right to choose, and putting the public's money where their mouth is? Finally, the Dems standing up for reproductive freedom after 35 years of mealy-mouthed meekness. Keep it up, NO MORE CAPITULATIN TO THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 AM on 08/06/2009
- JohnIII I'm a Fan of JohnIII 8 fans permalink

I'm fine with a woman's right to choose. But she/he should also cover the bill privately.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 08/06/2009
- hauty007 I'm a Fan of hauty007 3 fans permalink

Read the bill...of course Abortion is included.....just things no one WILL TALK about!!!!

Obamacare is what they WANT the PROFITS & more important CONTROL over our lives.

An American, neither DEM nor Rep, who will NEVER give up my FREEDOM of choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 AM on 08/06/2009
- Poorsarah I'm a Fan of Poorsarah 47 fans permalink
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hauty007, ALL OF THE POLITICIANS WHO ARE AGAINST HEALTHCARE REFORM HAVE GOVERNMENT FUNDED HEALTHCARE. Guess what, their healthcare coverage is much better than the "private sector" unaffordable crap that we have to put up with. The healthcare reform will not gain "control over your life"...as you, and many others have been told.
THE GOVERNMENT FUNDED HEALTHCARE that these anti-healthcare reform politicians are receiving is benefiting them greatly and doesn't "CONTROL THEIR LIVES."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 AM on 08/06/2009
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You've already given up your freedom of thought. How many times are you going to post this comment before you get bored with it? Don't they give you different talking points to post?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 AM on 08/06/2009
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Say! Are you one of the those senior Medicare recipients who stand up in town hall meetings and scream about keeping the Gov'mnt's hands off their healthcare? Because if you aren't, and you someday might be, I suggest you write a strongly worded letter to the government, expressing your desire to opt out of Medicare before it's too late.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 AM on 08/06/2009
- Opti I'm a Fan of Opti 37 fans permalink
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And Social Security! How many SS recipients would he find objectionable?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 08/06/2009
- dems08 I'm a Fan of dems08 173 fans permalink
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abortion is health care

it should be part of a health care bill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 08/05/2009
- Weirdwriter I'm a Fan of Weirdwriter 332 fans permalink
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If we didn't cover abortions for "moral reasons," does that mean we'll also not cover treatment for sexually transmitted disease, alcoholism and erectile dysfunction for unmarried men?

Doubt it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 08/05/2009
- CR46 I'm a Fan of CR46 196 fans permalink

Or diseases related to being overweight type II diabete, or for orthopedic surgeries because of being overweight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 08/06/2009
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Isn't this debate obvious? Doesn't "Abortion Coverage Allowed In Health Care Legislation" plastered all over newspapers and the internet seem a bit suspicious to anyone? As a last minute addition, the Republican senators of the senate committee made sure that this item was placed into the Health Care Reform bill, in order to take the debate away from Universal Health Care and put it right into the laps of the "right to life" movement. To obscure the momentum yet again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 08/05/2009
- Opti I'm a Fan of Opti 37 fans permalink
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Are you arguing that women shouldn't have full access to reproductive rights under the public plan? Or that the media shouldn't cover the debate?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 08/05/2009
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I think this person was saying that reproductive rights should not even need to be specified in the bill..it was added in the manner that treating strep throat isn't because the Republican senators knew this would throw a distraction to the anti choice people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 AM on 08/06/2009

True, however, it is important that this issue is resolved, as a part of healthcare reform, based on what the majority of US wants...smoke screen or not, both issues need to be addressed before it is too late..and we are stuck with paying for things that go against our beliefs of a nation as a whole.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 AM on 08/07/2009
- glomtt I'm a Fan of glomtt 283 fans permalink
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Personally, I don't think that I would have an abortion but I like the idea of the option being there. Most women that do, don't want to do it and it's very emotional for them not to mention life threatning. On that note though, no one has the right to tell me what to do with my body, not the man I slept with, not the government, not a citizen, and no religion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 08/05/2009
- Opti I'm a Fan of Opti 37 fans permalink
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glomtt, I think you have just summed up perfectly the position of the majority of Americans.
Favved.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 08/05/2009
- JohnIII I'm a Fan of JohnIII 8 fans permalink

But it's a right for someone else to use my tax dollars to pay for one?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 08/06/2009
- CR46 I'm a Fan of CR46 196 fans permalink

Just as if it isn't my right to decide if a man needs prostate surgery just so he can achieve an erection just for sexual satisfaction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 08/06/2009

I agree that we shouldn't be taxed to pay for someone elses form of birthcontr­ol!...thin­k about it...someone had an OOPPS..oh crud, situation...they should deal with it...consequences of unprotected sex. And yes, most women are traumatized for having an abortion, sometimes it even creates a greater problem with infections,and the ability of having more children..­..abortion­s are not meant to be used as a form of birthcontrol..and that is often the case.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 AM on 08/07/2009
- valboski I'm a Fan of valboski 10 fans permalink

Gee whiz, wouldn't it be smarter to cover norplants(5 year birth control), the pill and uid's and condoms than to kill fetuses? Or is it too hard to remember birth control? Are people too stupid to be responsible or too drunk or high to care?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 08/05/2009

Yes it would, and we also need better sex ed programs to teach our kids what they are and why they should use them. That said, abortion should still be an option and it's nobody's business what one woman decides to do with her body.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 AM on 08/06/2009
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When a public health insurance option becomes available -- and I sure hope it's soon because my family can't keep up with the expense of the so-called "insurance" we have -- then I will be paying premiums for my policy. I will be paying PREMIUMS for insurance, and I'm not letting the unwashed American taxpayers tell me what health services I may or may not have. The idea that government might dictate care is supposedly why we aren't considering a single-payer system like other countries have.

So which is it, Naysayers to Health Reform? Do you want the government telling women when they can or cannot see an ob/gyn to terminate a pregnancy? Because what's good for the goose....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 08/05/2009
- Opti I'm a Fan of Opti 37 fans permalink
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Thank you SG Phillips...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 PM on 08/05/2009

This better be for real. There better be no limit to the number of abortions a person can get. I know a woman who had 3 abortions last year, and it was a major financial drain on her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 08/05/2009
- Opti I'm a Fan of Opti 37 fans permalink
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"why can't poor women close their legs?"
The compassionate conservative's argument against granting women access to full reproductive health care under the public option. These people are here, they are real, and they are dangerous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 08/05/2009
- CR46 I'm a Fan of CR46 196 fans permalink

Those are the same men that have wives that sneak around to have abortions because their husbands won't let them use birth control. Highest abortion and teen pregnancy rates are in the southern red states.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 08/06/2009
- IFTYS I'm a Fan of IFTYS 19 fans permalink
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CR, what's your source for your facts? The DailyKos or is it MediaMatters?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 08/06/2009

You keep saying "women close their legs... hmmm last i remember in sex ed, it takes 2 to tangle (smiles)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 AM on 08/07/2009
- IFTYS I'm a Fan of IFTYS 19 fans permalink
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obama and his administration are offering the American people of the United States quite a lot. They are offering "affordable" health-care for all. They are offering a world without "climate change." They are offiering a world without "foreclosure."

And all that they require in return for living in such an Eden? Your Freedom. Your Wealth. Your Life.

Such a simple thing to give: your life, your wealth, your very Freedom, in exchange for having the government take care of every need.

Gosh. I would like to sign up for this lifestyle. I renounce my Republican party affiliation and wish to become a "useful Idiot" for the democrat party.

Harry, Nancy, save me from this life of want.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 08/05/2009
- mrh3 I'm a Fan of mrh3 38 fans permalink

Usefull corporate tool. What freedom?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 PM on 08/05/2009
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So life is pretty good for you just the way it is? You really don't think that we should reform our energy
system which in turn would create more security, or make sure that our environment is kept clean and National Parks are maintained? You don't need maintained roads, schools or police/fire depts..apparently our energy grid and sewer systems are inadequate...your health system working for you? have any college kids graduating from school and not able to find a job yet, do you know what the cost of a cobra plan is?
We are all together in this, we are a community and the sooner we work together to improve our community the better. Noone is giving up freedom, I hope you were complaining when Bush was enacting the Patriot Act.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 08/05/2009
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