What's Missing From The Health Care Debate

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First Posted: 08- 9-09 05:07 PM   |   Updated: 08-10-09 10:59 AM

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The nationwide debate over health care reform touches on many issues, from affordability to access. But one crucial element has been largely missing from the discussion: prevention. That is, how to help Americans stay or become healthy.

Dr. Dean Ornish and Dr. Andrew Weil both provide their perspectives on the need to take an in-depth look at the type of health care system that we really want in this country and at how our individual lifestyle choices impact our health.

Dr. Ornish, who was just named the medical editor of the Huffington Post, argues in "Resuscitating Health Care Reform" that health reform is in danger of failing because the focus is too much on who is covered rather than what is covered:

If we just cover bypass surgery, angioplasty, stents, and other interventions that are dangerous, invasive, expensive, and largely ineffective on 48 million more people, then costs are likely to increase significantly at a time when resources are limited. As a result, painful choices are being discussed -- rationing, raising taxes, and/or increasing the deficit -- and these are threatening the public acceptance and thus the viability of health reform.


Meaningful health reform needs to provide incentives for physicians and other health professionals to teach their patients healthy ways of living rather than reimbursing primarily drugs and surgical interventions. If lifestyle interventions proven to reverse as well as prevent many chronic diseases are reimbursed along with other strategies for improving cost-effectiveness across the U.S. health care system, then it may be possible to provide universal coverage at significantly lower cost without making painful choices, and the only side-effects are good ones.

In his blog post, "The Wrong Diagnosis," Dr. Weil explains that the type of reform being considered is not going to make health care any more affordable or efficient:

But what's missing, tragically, is a diagnosis of the real, far more fundamental problem, which is that what's even worse than its stratospheric cost is the fact that American health care doesn't fulfill its prime directive -- it does not help people become or stay healthy. It's not a health care system at all; it's a disease management system, and making the current system cheaper and more accessible will just spread the dysfunction more broadly...


Most cases of disease should be managed in other, more affordable ways. Functional, cost-effective health care must be based on a new kind of medicine that relies on the human organism's innate capacity for self-regulation and healing. It would use inexpensive, low-tech interventions for the management of the commonest forms of disease. It would be a system that puts the health back into health care. And it would also happen to be far less expensive than what we have now.

The nationwide debate over health care reform touches on many issues, from affordability to access. But one crucial element has been largely missing from the discussion: prevention. That is, how to he...
The nationwide debate over health care reform touches on many issues, from affordability to access. But one crucial element has been largely missing from the discussion: prevention. That is, how to he...
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Re Drs Weil and Ornish's health care reform proposals:
How long do we have to wait til these luminaries (and others) get a congressional bill together
to use as leverage to get the support of ALL next year's congressional candidates ?
And if the candidates are not willing to support it, let's get others who will, be they Republican, Demo, Libertarian, or Independent!
Our 'Titanic' ship of state is about to hit an iceberg and both sides are so busy fighting at the helm
they seem hellbent to let this ship self destruct rather than co-operate: (Wit Glenn Beck & Thom Hartmann.)
This could well be our last and best chance to over ride the powerful pharma/insurance lobby, ( in a parallel self destruct mode), and initiate meaningful campaign finance reform as well.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 09/01/2009

there's a class undercurrent in the article and assumption and entitlement of privilege. perhaps this is supposed to be seen by HPo as an "alternative" view of the proceedings. it isn't. the real issue is that people in the US are dying from untreated disease. we're not talking about bourgeois lifestyle-focused issues here. people are dying because they can't get antibiotics for a strep throat, or because they have to work while they have the flu or pneumonia. you cannot and will not start thinking about "lifestyle" and "prevention" until you can actually bring the very basic problem of mass unnecessary death-- due to lack of basic TREATMENT-- under control. I guarantee.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 08/14/2009

prevention ... interesting concept...

60% of american families eat once or twice a week at a fast food ....

wonder if it might increase health risks abd health care costs. hummm maybe not. ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 AM on 08/12/2009

Preventitive health care is only relative. Like many Americans, I have been unemployed since February 1, 2009 and with no health insurance care coverage. I could not afford COBRA. I am diabletic and was taking up to 16 various medications per day. It is amazing that I have been able to cut my daily medications to less than half of what I was taking on a daily basis and I am much healthier. Could it be that when I had health insurance coverage physician's were prescribing unneccesary medications and testing simply because I had health insurance coverage? I think so. Now I am still unemployed, but I am a much healthier and happier woman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 08/12/2009

prevention ... interesting concept...

30% of young americans under 16 you are obese due to poor health habits and overheating fast food in chool cafetarias.
compliments of the american fast food industry lobbyists

wonder if a problem could arise when this kids reach 25.. humm maybe not. ..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 AM on 08/12/2009

prevention ... interesting concept...

is it why they banned water and milk form vending machines to only propose corn syrup based beverages??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 AM on 08/12/2009
- gracie99 I'm a Fan of gracie99 6 fans permalink

This thinker has a really good solution that would save vast amounts of health care dollars, improve access, and be conveniently free-market:

http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv15n4/reg15n4h.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 AM on 08/12/2009
- gracie99 I'm a Fan of gracie99 6 fans permalink

Most people know what a healthy diet and healthy exercise consists of. Such information is so widely available that it is difficult to avoid it!

What is avoided is doing what we're supposed to do:

We know we'd be healthier if we exercised a half hour/day, yet few of us do that.

And we know if we switched from fast food to a healthy diet with lots of fruits and vegetables we'd be healthier, but we don't for reasons of taste and convenience.

I really hate it when my doctors lecture me on such obvious stuff, wasting most of an expensive office visit.

Ornish and Weil are a couple of self-promoters without a worthwhile thought between the two of them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 AM on 08/12/2009
- dhinds I'm a Fan of dhinds 25 fans permalink

Agreed: The Key to Health Care is PREVENTION and the Key to Prevention is RESEARCH and DATA - that is, a NATIONAL Data Collecting Effort, or DATA BASE.

This would be exactly the opposite of a "One Size Fits All" Health Care Plan because we would be investing in the determination of the Etiology .- the Environmental and Dietary CAUSES of DISEASE, a Comparative Study of the RESULTS of distinct PREVENTATIVE REGIMENS and TREATMENT METHODOLOGIES plus the generation and application of existing knowledge regarding genetic predispositions to specific diseases and the response to specific treatments under defined conditions.

It is therefore IMPERATIVE to involve the Universities, Teaching Hospitals and Public Health Facilities (including the Community Clinics) in the process.

Since the focus would be on HEALTH rather than a Health Care Industry that benefits from the existence of disease, the Consumer would have someone on it's side. Finally.

It doesn't matter who does it - public, private or (most likely) a combination. What matters it the Motivation and the Methodology and for the best of those to triumph, it must be a collective rather than disjointed effort. In a real sense, this effort would extend the functions of the CDC (Centers for Disease Control) and the NIH (the National Institutes for Health).

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 AM on 08/12/2009

This Doctor has a business model that can treat the uninsured without the need of Insurance or government as the middleman. Too bad the government isn't allowing him to keep his medical practice open...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIvmOSjgGAo

http://www.nypost.com/seven/03042009/news/regionalnews/state_slaps_dr__do_good_157907.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 AM on 08/12/2009
- dhinds I'm a Fan of dhinds 25 fans permalink

The State of NY should reevaluate it's conclusions: Dr. Muney is offering the equivalent of Community Supported Health Care; Payment in Advance for potentially relevant disease emergence; much as the Retainer a law firm charges for IT'S services.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 AM on 08/12/2009
- gracie99 I'm a Fan of gracie99 6 fans permalink

Thanks for posting this!

One of my providers charges a flat $20 co-pay at the time of the visit no matter what the charge is. That's a good deal for me as it is less than my usual co-payment would be under my insurance. He writes off the difference, but he says method save his practice enough in bookkeeping costs that it makes up the difference. However it's against the rules, and if my insurer caught on, he'd be in big trouble.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 AM on 08/12/2009
- BetteB I'm a Fan of BetteB 15 fans permalink
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Could someone please post a link to the 1000 page health care plan where the fear tactics spring from (in the pages in the 400s), I have failed to find it as of yet. Thank you.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 08/11/2009
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Thank you very much jeweltyme, you're a gem.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 AM on 08/12/2009
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Thank you for this article. I have submitted a request to the White House Site in this regard with little hopes of it ever be read or adequately addressed. Prevention is the key and has been. Dr. Weil is a benefactor of the thousands who promoted alternative health approaches long before it was accepted by the mainstream. As soon as doctors spend as much time advising their clients to stop deleterious lifestyle habits as they do promoting medications of the pharmaceutical industry, we'll all be in much better shape. The problem is that the more ethical and effective approach doesn't buy as many Lexus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 08/11/2009
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“The nationwide debate over healthcare reform touches on many issues, from affordability to access. But one crucial element has been largely missing from the discussion: Prevention.” In the beginning of life, babies from birth to early childhood are taken to their local doctor for Well-baby check-ups. The doctor can then monitor the baby’s health, immunizations, growth, and progress. By monitoring the progress of the children, prevention can be regulated need be. Therefore, keeping the children as healthy as possible. As we mature in life, sometimes the visit to the doctor is by necessity. Thus, we have eliminated the opportunity of prevention by seeking our yearly check-ups. Sometimes, we seek the services of a doctor after we become sick; making it more expensive for the insurance companies. More emphasis should be placed on prevention, such as a healthier life style. In my opinion, prevention is how to help America manage their personal health care. By promoting prevention and ones on health care could make it far less expensive for American’s.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 08/11/2009
- austin4 I'm a Fan of austin4 215 fans permalink

I concur...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 AM on 08/12/2009

I agree wholeheartedly. It's a part of the answer. But I fear that most ppl who abuse the system, won't listen or change their lifestyles and nothing makes them do so either. Doctors talk til their blue in the face....but if Joe Plumber wants to smoke two packs a day and eat steak at every meal....he will continue to do so. Dare I even mention that whatever reform comes out, we charge those who continue to keep these types of lifestyles? Not cover the new lung for the abusive smoker....or make him pay himself? I'm afraid not....why? Because this seems to be the price of freedom.....there will always be too many who abuse it. They just don't get that freedom is something to respect and not abuse. Freedom doesn't just mean bombing anyone who opposes us, or shout down anyone who might have a differing opinion.....it means to listen. You never know....you just might learn something. Freedom means that we should have basic several choices.....not have one way shoved down our throats. I sure hope that sanity will prevail when our representatives come back in Sept. and they don't just listen to the ranters.....that they truly change things for the better.....and include preventative health care. We need to start working to take $$$ out of a lot of the systems in this country. I fear it will be the only thing that will ever get things to change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 AM on 08/12/2009
- gracie99 I'm a Fan of gracie99 6 fans permalink

Yes, but lets promote it in classrooms and on TV, radio, newspapers, the internet, even by direct mail rather than waste a lot of office visits having people who are not trained as educators delivering the same old health goods.

Yes I should eat more fruits and vegetable. Yes, I need to exercise a lot more. But having doctors condescendingly telling me that as if I've been living under a rock for the last 30 years, while simultaneously wasting expensive office visits, ought to be prohibited, not encourage!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 AM on 08/12/2009
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universal health is what we need not obama's new plan for only 60%-80% of the Americans we need to not follow this bull! everyone in other country's is far better off! so what's our problem? OBAMA he does not want everyone to be equal but behind everyone else in other Country's!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 08/11/2009
- austin4 I'm a Fan of austin4 215 fans permalink

I disagree....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 AM on 08/12/2009
- gracie99 I'm a Fan of gracie99 6 fans permalink

The idea that Obama, for some weird reason, would want us to be "behind everyone else" in other countries strikes me as very far-fetched.

Of course we need universal health care. However if Obama were to push hard for the changes that would make that possible, the right would erupt with even more accusations of communism!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 AM on 08/12/2009
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Yes, prevention is important. I've been wondering though, are we just assuming that mental, vision and dental health care are to be included, hoping reality wins and single-payer is actualized? Assumptions aren't good anywhere, but especially not in health care reform. We have to be sure any health care is all inclusive this way, in my opinion.

I heard in a commercial the statement, "I'm not a human being, I am a human doing." This statement seems key to any changes we as a society need to make in order that we may have a society that works with equanimity.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 08/11/2009
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DONT WORRY.... obamas speech writers are hard at work probably as we post! His speech will be televised probably in primetime, again! he will use strong words like: "LET ME BE CLEAR" ,
"MAKE NO MISTAKE", and "MOVING FORWARD" . He will give you reasons why he sold out to big pharma> His pesuasiveness and charisma will be at full throttle. The speech will be so grand that
Billy Mays the pitchman would be proud (R.I.P.) And then many will say: "that is why he did it, it was for us" Others that have woken up from the anethesia will not be fooled! Once again his words contradict his actions. And this cycle will be repetative.
People do not be fooled any longer, so much for transparency and accountability!
I think "YES WE CAN" has become "NO WE DIDNT"!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 08/11/2009
- BetteB I'm a Fan of BetteB 15 fans permalink
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Well perhaps "Oh no you didn't" is in order, and we CAN do something about this. Huff post sees what is happening, and is in a power position (power in numbers) to help us do something about this.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 08/11/2009
- socks I'm a Fan of socks 4 fans permalink

I simply don't understand what this whole fuss is about. The democrats have a huge majority in both the House and the Senate. They could, and should, pass any legislation they want without even asking the repugs. Period.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 08/11/2009
- lordmi I'm a Fan of lordmi 7 fans permalink

They need support of the Nation, and Reps are spending millions to fool this nation again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 08/11/2009
- austin4 I'm a Fan of austin4 215 fans permalink

The Blue Dogs,..,,,are holding everything up

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 AM on 08/12/2009
- gracie99 I'm a Fan of gracie99 6 fans permalink

The Dems have a scant majority, not a huge majority!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 AM on 08/12/2009
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