White House Frustrated, Confused By Palin, Limbaugh And Hannity

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Senior White House aides expressed utter bewilderment and a bit of frustration on Monday with criticism of their health care agenda from conservative figures -- particularly former Alaska governor Sarah Palin.

"I don't even know where to begin," said one top-ranking official, when asked about Palin's remarks that the president was creating a "death panel" that would determine whether to euthanize the sick. "I mean. I re-read the House bill this weekend. I don't even know what she is talking about."

In a sit down with online reporters on Monday, the three Obama aides, who spoke only on condition that they not be identified by name, stressed that they were still committed to crafting health care with Republican input and would continue to work with conservative media outlets despite the harsh reception they have received.

While some angst was directed toward the opposition of Republican lawmakers who, the administration claims, have distorted the president's position -- particularly on end of life consultations -- the majority of their ire was directed at the conservative commentariat.

"The so-called Obama health care logo? What is the Obama health care logo?" one aide asked, with some incredulity. "We don't have [one] but Rush Limbaugh thinks it looks like a Swastika... These are the sort of things we are dealing with."

"I don't know where they are making this stuff up," the aide added. "The bill, I was just looking at the House bill... [T]he part of this that covers insurance market reforms and the things to extend coverage and the exchange and public plan is actually pretty spare. And yet they have managed to make that into a vast government bureaucracy and really tried to scare people about the whole thing, which is disappointing."

On Monday, the White House began what officials described as a major push to counter disinformation about the president's health care agenda, including an online effort to alert the public to false claims and a media blitz on local and national outlets. The administration also sought to reframe the debate on eight core principles for "health insurance consumer protections," which aides said resonated much better than the "health care reform" push it has made to this point.

Part of the effort will include a continued outreach to critics. But the administration acknowledged that there were limitations to what it could or would attempt on that front.

"There has been less outreach to conservative media outlets in part [due to] a question of utility," said one aide. "No amount of outreach to Rush Limbaugh is going to change his opinion; same for Sean Hannity. Those are some very hard and fast opinions. The analogous part would be, there are members of the House and Senate who no amount of outreach would change their opinions as well."


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Perspective: Cost of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan since 2001 (8 years): $897 billion (this does not include long term care for wounded vets), National Priorities Project. Cost of health care reform: congressional leaders estimate that the House proposal would cost 900 billion over 10 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 AM on 08/13/2009
- dennisrs I'm a Fan of dennisrs 32 fans permalink
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In 2009, Cost of Government Day falls on August 12. Working people must toil 224 days out of the year just to meet all costs imposed by government - a full 26 days longer than last year.

http://www.fiscalaccountability.org/index.php?content=cogd-teas

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 PM on 08/12/2009
- dennisrs I'm a Fan of dennisrs 32 fans permalink
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Why aren't there any links about the President sham of a town talk meeting yesterday. It was a plant show.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 08/12/2009
- hhayden I'm a Fan of hhayden 72 fans permalink

"Plant Show". I like that one. Paints the picture. Apparently conservatives don't live in the town.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 AM on 08/13/2009
- chicagurl I'm a Fan of chicagurl 53 fans permalink

With approximately 76% of Americans wanting health care reform, I wish President Obama would act like Bush did. Bush didn't care about the thousands protesting against his Iraqi war, he rammed it down our throats, created the massive deficits, etc. anyway. This is for the GOOD of our country. Just get it done Mr. President. Idiots will always be there, and if they don't want health care, so be it. Take care of the clear majority of Americans who do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 08/12/2009
- hhayden I'm a Fan of hhayden 72 fans permalink

75 republicans said they would sign a pledge to use whatever health care they passed. No democrat agreed to.

The way they get anything like 75% is to ask people if they'd like first class affordable health care and when they say yes the left tries to make out that it's Obamacare even though he was never mentioned in the question.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 08/12/2009
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chicgurl--75% where do you get this number from please provide a link to your data?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 08/12/2009
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She has her data more correct than some fraidy- scared -frightened -terrified -spooked -paranoid people I've encountered.

"OMG, Obama is going to replace my Medicare with a government run program!!!­!!!!!!!!!!­"
LOL! PRICELESS!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 AM on 08/13/2009
- gekkobear I'm a Fan of gekkobear 2 fans permalink

Where is the logo?

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/index.php

Right side of the page. There's the logo. Obama's old logo with some health care bits added.

But hey, I'm sure barackobama.com used for the election of Barack Obama has no connection with Barack Obama and Barack Obama has no idea what is on the barackobama.com website... weird how it has his name and pushes his goals though... odd coincidence there.

But nope, Barack Obama's website pushing his health care goals, with a new logo for health care doesn't have a logo... or something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 08/12/2009
- hhayden I'm a Fan of hhayden 72 fans permalink

I wonder where the donations actually go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 08/12/2009

"...the president was creating a "death panel" that would determine whether to euthanize the sick."

When did Palin actually say "euthanize"? She never did. But this...ahe­m..."quote­" from her has been appearing in the media and is now being repeated by the White House as well.

"euthanize" is not the same thing as saying, "Sorry, we can't afford to pay for your necessary care." Shame on liberal pundits and Democrat politicians for creating that straw-man.

When the healthcare system starts getting abused, and government beaurocracy wastes money, care will need to be rationed. You'd have to be dumb or dishonest to claim otherwise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 AM on 08/12/2009

Please can I see one blog, news item, or comment that addresses the fact that some 25% to 30% of children have no health insurance in this country? Could we have all those disgruntled right wingers give us their medicare so we could give our CHILDREN health care. I'm a senior citizen and a pediatrician and I am horrified at this frenzy of selfishness and shortsightedness.
Someone said "let the free market allow a 25 year old to decide if he really needs health care insurance! "Really, the pregnant twenty year old dosn't ?? Or the 25 year old who just was in a car accident? I worked for Obama and I will do it again as long as Palin represents the kind generosity of Republican parents and grandparents. Anette

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 08/11/2009
- hhayden I'm a Fan of hhayden 72 fans permalink

I don't think that most conservatives think children shouldn't have health care, or anyone else for that matter. I think most conservatives just don't trust the government to do what they say. Many, like myself think government is way too big already. Some also think it's an excuse for forced social change in the name of health.

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labor of the people under the pretense of taking care of them". Thomas Jefferson

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 AM on 08/12/2009

But you apparently trust health insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, etc. to run health care in this country and deny care if they so choose. Even if most conservatives don't think children should not have health care, the end result is the same: many children (and adults too) are denied good health care under the current system. Based on what we are hearing from conservatives these days, I think most of them couldn't care less if children live or die, as long as those children don't live in their houses. The conservative philosophy, at least the one being spouted in the health care debate, boils down to "I've got mine because I deserve it. The rest of you are losers who deserve to suffer." One other point: You can cherry pick Jefferson quotes all you want. He was writing over two centuries ago and not everything he wrote pertains to our current situation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 PM on 08/13/2009
- dennisrs I'm a Fan of dennisrs 32 fans permalink
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I don't believe that 25-30% of children have on insurance you have to prove that to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 08/12/2009
- dennisrs I'm a Fan of dennisrs 32 fans permalink
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meant have no insurance

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 08/12/2009

would it change your mind if it were proven to you? didn't think so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 08/12/2009
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http://www.news-medical.net/news/20090722/16-percent-of-Americans-without-health-insurance.aspx

This report shows that 27.6% of 18-29 Year olds are without health insurance. I know it's not actually "kids" but still, 1 in every 4 people aged 18-29 are without health insurance. The poll did not look into people under the age of 18, but is no less telling due to that fact.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 08/12/2009
- hhayden I'm a Fan of hhayden 72 fans permalink

It's easy to make up numbers. The Obama administration does it all the time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 08/12/2009
- Lovetaxs I'm a Fan of Lovetaxs 4 fans permalink
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How do you protest for INSURANCE COMPANIES and you barely have teeth can they fix you up first before they let you open your mouth and speak on their behalf..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 08/11/2009
- Garybot I'm a Fan of Garybot 47 fans permalink
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Love that compassion you all claim to have.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 AM on 08/12/2009

It IS compassion. Every american citizen has a right to a full set of teeth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 AM on 08/12/2009
- hhayden I'm a Fan of hhayden 72 fans permalink

They sure seem bitter for such caring and humanitarian people

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 AM on 08/12/2009
- hhayden I'm a Fan of hhayden 72 fans permalink

Could you please diagram that sentence?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 AM on 08/12/2009

Perhaps Sarah Palin will do it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 08/12/2009
- dennisrs I'm a Fan of dennisrs 32 fans permalink
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I don't protest for Insurance I protest against Government controlled Health Care. I am sure if some real smart people put their heads together we can do better than what's being pushed down our throats now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 08/12/2009
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There are 4 plans out there, none of which have been approved. The process is no where near complete. Saying health care is being shoved down your throat is like saying you choked on a meal which the chef hasn't even finished cooking yet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 AM on 08/13/2009
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ROTFL! You're good you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 AM on 08/13/2009
- TN I'm a Fan of TN 26 fans permalink

It was good today when President Obama said he had to chuckle when he heard the the R's are worried about deficits or healthcare being paid for when they didn't pay for their drug bill.

He needs to keep laughing at Palin, Rush and Hannity like he laughed at the R's today. Keep it light, it works.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 08/11/2009
- dennisrs I'm a Fan of dennisrs 32 fans permalink
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R's is that Racists, Race Bait er, Rats or maybe you mean Republican? It is getting so difficult to deal with the Hyphenated words these days.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 08/12/2009
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So he laughs and then wants to heap more debt much more debt on top of it. I am reminded of the story of Nero and Rome burning when he does that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 08/12/2009
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So funny about some complaining about debt when George W. Bush never meant a spending bill he did not like. Here we have a President who's honest and he's being kicked around for it. Hmmm...maybe he should just hide the cost and get the funding from 'supplementals' like Dub-ya.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 AM on 08/13/2009

It's funny how you Republicans suddenly got concerned about spending too much money as soon as Bush was out of office. Bush accelerated us down this road by starting the Iraq war and refusing to pay for it. He cut taxes on the rich while funding a war. That's a fact, it's not an opinion. He got us into a terrible recession through his negligence and incompetence and you can't reasonably blame Obama for the debt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 PM on 08/13/2009

I getting fraustrated with the dems. This fight was known to be the hardest. Day one they should have started working on the program. Chew gum and walk at the same time for goodness sake! the republicans have not changed. they have always been fierce fighters and have destroyed dems with outlandish tactics ( willie horton) nothing new. The dems should have defined and kept the main points of the bill front and center for months.
They allowed the repubs to get the message. What goes on with this party. Were they not present during the stimulus fight? Look how the republicans took small points in it to wage major battles. It's like the dems have forgotten they are the victors. Get on with the offensive. Define the bill in clear words. Take to so many town halls people will get sick of the protestors. Don't back down and stop showing fear. Senator McCaskill showed her metal today more dems need to do it.
Don't fall for the banana in the tail pipe. Hit this bill like it is the alamo! Get supporters lined up and out like it's a campain/election. Out number the opponets with so many supporters that the protesters will look stupid when they speak. When the supporters start up chant " Yes WE DID" and mean it.
Really is this bill going to come down to a few people paid by industry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 08/11/2009
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ITA! I want the Dems to stop acting like the guy who didn't get the girl. Obviously the country wants you Dems, what more do we have to do to show you? Act like winners! The more nasty someone else gets, just know that they are speaking from a jealous standpoint.
How can the Dems let a bunch of folks like the Repubs win this fight? They have not even shown, nor do they have to show what they have to offer in their opinion. They just keep bashing the other guy and hope people fall for that sorry line and come to their side.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 AM on 08/13/2009
- bbrecht I'm a Fan of bbrecht 18 fans permalink
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My hope is that democrats stay strong, don't give up on public option, the bill itself is just a baby step towards health care reform. If it fails, we all will know who to blame and guess what-- we wont forget. You want grassroots support, give us a year to organize. This will not be forgotten. We will not allow our democracy to be held hostage by a bunch of loudmouth hatemongers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 08/11/2009
- hhayden I'm a Fan of hhayden 72 fans permalink

I notice he was able to exclude most conservatives from his controlled Town Hall meeting. Amazing how only leftists live in Obamatown.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 AM on 08/12/2009
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Amazing how large the left is, huh? Or do you forget Obama slam dunked your pals McCain and Palin?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 08/12/2009

You mean like when protesters against Bush were relegated to "protest zones" hundreds a yards (think several football fields) away from the president and therefore news cameras?
Amazing how only right wingnuts lived in Bushtown.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 08/12/2009
- dennisrs I'm a Fan of dennisrs 32 fans permalink
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And 13 year old girls of one of his big contributors gets to ask some lame scripted question about hate signs! Can you believe these people?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 08/12/2009
- dennisrs I'm a Fan of dennisrs 32 fans permalink
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why

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 PM on 08/12/2009
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Some interesting info here about the Health Care Reform below
http://www.classicalideals.com/HR3200.htm

Also a new HP link started
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/why-health-care-reform-wi_b_248937.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 08/12/2009
- dennisrs I'm a Fan of dennisrs 32 fans permalink
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My hope is all of you fail with this monstrous idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 08/12/2009
- bbrecht I'm a Fan of bbrecht 18 fans permalink
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Seems to me you haven't anything substantial to say about the health care reform bill, just lots of venom towards Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 08/12/2009

Republican tactics to derail President Obama's healthcare reform are a blight on the United States.

Their tactics are shameful; however, the positive takeaway is that this sorry campaign will not be forgotten. No intelligent person wants a team that resorts to disinformation, outright lies, racism and scare tactics to ever be in control of the country.

Barack Obama and Joe Biden 2008 - 2016.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 PM on 08/11/2009
- hhayden I'm a Fan of hhayden 72 fans permalink

But you will be taking away the presidents stock in trade. The economy is heading for a depression and we may never recover - remember that one? No pork in my stimulus bill - remember that one? He leaves it to his henchmen to bring race up every time they want to try and put someone on the defensive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 08/11/2009

Fox, the gop and hate radio lies. They do not care about anyone that is not a millionaire+. The lies they tell are purposely planned to ignite anger in the poor by making them believe that they are on their side. They cannot have a debate on the truth or the merits. They just want the poor to do their work and shut down the debate so that they can be free to buy another yacht or mansion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 AM on 08/12/2009

The economy WAS headed for depression and thanks to Obama we may have diverted it. Who put the pork in the stimulus? Republicans. Enliighten me, hayden, who are Obama's henchmen?
You conservatives trying to twist this thing around are just hilarious. The only people buying it are those who are uninformed about the facts.
No matter how you all claim this has nothing to do with race, I don't believe for one minute that you really believe that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 08/12/2009
- dennisrs I'm a Fan of dennisrs 32 fans permalink
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Obama can't even hold a Town Hall meeting without pulling old political tricks. Turns out the sweet little girl that asked him a question was a complete plant. What a hack Barry is turning out to be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 08/12/2009
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where was race??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 08/18/2009
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Really? What is the disinformation? You voted for someone with no experience, and pretended you had no information.

Have you looked into the czars? If the health care bill passes, whatever isn't spelled out in the bill will be decided as it comes up. That mean the czars will have your life and death decisions in their hands.

Do you have any problem with that? Do you understand who the czars are? What kind of information are you referencing that tells you this would be the right thing for the country?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 AM on 08/12/2009

No, I prefer my life and death decisions to be decided by the tender mercies of a profit driven insurance corp.

Why does Obama want to kill my grandmother?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 08/12/2009

Do you understand who the czars are? What kind of information are you referencing that tells you this would be the right thing for the country?

Please...what kind of information are you referencing that tells you this would be bad for the country?

Hate radio lies and does not care about their listeners... unless they are ultra rich.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 08/12/2009

what kind of information are you referencing that has you scared of czars?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 08/12/2009
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The problem with your logic is you fail to see that the DLC Democratic party uses the exact same tactics to the same result. The lack of intelligent people with spines and integrity is the problem on both sides of the Demopublican party that gives you only a choice between bad and worse. They work well together only when making sure no one is able to horn in on their monopoly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 AM on 08/12/2009
- dennisrs I'm a Fan of dennisrs 32 fans permalink
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Neva -You just don't get it, do you? They are smart enough to wonder first of all who is going to pay for all of it, worried about the quality of care, scared of the Government controlling and intruding into another aspect of their lives and afraid that if we later get some real jerks in office what they could achieve with that much power over our lives. You Dems aren't looking far enough into the future. What if you get another Bush (just example since the Dems were so scared of him and his people) get's into power and their minions start poking around first of all in your files, then as things become more computerized someone is able to manipulate your prescription or even the Doctors orders if you are in the Hospital. Think I am Paranoid? Look how Paranoid people were over the Patriot act. Do you know how much private and possibly damaging info is in your medical files? Would you want some political hack to get access to your records? Or others. Just look at what some hack did during Bill Clinton's term ,over a 150 FBI files of citizen found at the White House. What right did the White House have looking at anybodies FBI files! So keep on giving Big Brother more power and you will live to regret the day. You younger people should be really thinking hard about all this after all it's your future they are dealing with

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 08/12/2009
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Funny when Obama, trying to deflect concerns that a public option would force private companies out of business, said look at the post office, to many chuckles.

So he unwittingly admitted that the public option could end up like the post office, which is currently $7 billion in the red.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 PM on 08/11/2009

What alternative solution would you propose? Let's have a debate on the issues here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 08/11/2009
- hhayden I'm a Fan of hhayden 72 fans permalink

Fix the private sector. Start with TORT reform and use streamilinig and avoid duplication and a couple of things from the health care bill that are not too Orwelian in the private sector. No boney government fingers taking it over. They want to force massive social change using health care as the carrot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 08/11/2009

Funny you don't know what you are talking about.

Every year, Americans pay billions for health care insurance to private companies. Those companies main goal is to make money not to provide health care services.

If you are lucky , you and your employer paid up to your nose in premiums - if you needed any treatment the insurance company will figth you 'till the end and probably won't cover most of the expenses.

At the end 70% of bankcroupted people are in this position because of health care costs that their insurance companies did not cover.. while the insurance companies made billions.

Insurance companies are in the business of making money, they should be making money with our health.

Private companies should not be the only option for healthcare, and yes it would be cheaper, you are already paying for those bankcrupted people, you are already paying for those unpaid emergency room visits, you are paying so much money and funny, you have not noticed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 08/11/2009
- hhayden I'm a Fan of hhayden 72 fans permalink

Even the federal budget office only maintains that 7% of banktupsies were health car related and that's an estimate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 08/11/2009
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"At the end 70% of bankcroupted people are in this position because of health care costs that their insurance companies did not cover.. "
ANutty-
I don't where you got that figure. I heard on the news that 70% of Personal bankruptcy's are because of too much credit card debt (consumer debt) it cannot be both.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 08/12/2009
- hhayden I'm a Fan of hhayden 72 fans permalink

He has to tell the truth once in a while. He also made some speech a while ago where he help up California as an example.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 08/11/2009

The PO is in the red because of the last administration. They privitized the mail. Huge corporations get billions of dollars in discounted mail costs to do the same thing the PO is set up to do. Rich bushcronies figured out a way to steal the PO dollars just like they did every other govt entity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 AM on 08/12/2009

I did it again....p­rivatized.­...oops.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 AM on 08/12/2009
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I think it's just a nice way of asking "Where do they get these stupid people from."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 08/11/2009
- hhayden I'm a Fan of hhayden 72 fans permalink

We elect them. A black eye for democracy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 PM on 08/11/2009

The only black eye for democracy was the lies, corruption, and dismantling of the constitution by the last administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 AM on 08/12/2009

Instead of worrying about estranging the fundamentalist right and the bigshots who exploit it, he needed to name names and grab the loyalty of the vast suffering worried short-changed mass of America whose support is the only thing that will enable him to make the radical changes that the current crises call for. Now he has an energized opposition and a dispirited base.

If he didn't want the crazed right to drag the debate down to its preferred echo-chamber of inanities, he needed to marginalize them when he had the muscle starting after his election. He needed to ask supposedly mainstream Republicans to repudiate the punk right and make it obvious when they wouldn't.

We need change that is more than skin deep. Way more.

I guess there was a reason the same corporate media that kicked Howard Dean aside greased the skids for a post-ideological poster boy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 08/11/2009
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