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AP Fact Check: No 'Death Panel' In Health Care Bill

RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR   08/11/09 04:04 AM ET   AP

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WASHINGTON — Former Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin says the health care overhaul bill would set up a "death panel." Federal bureaucrats would play God, ruling on whether ailing seniors are worth enough to society to deserve life-sustaining medical care. Palin and other critics are wrong.

Nothing in the legislation would carry out such a bleak vision. The provision that has caused the uproar would instead authorize Medicare to pay doctors for counseling patients about end-of-life care, if the patient wishes. Here are some questions and answers on the controversy:

Q: Does the health care legislation bill promote "mercy killing," or euthanasia?

A: No.

Q: Then what's all the fuss about?

A: A provision in the House bill written by Rep. Earl Blumenauer, D-Ore., would allow Medicare to pay doctors for voluntary counseling sessions that address end-of-life issues. The conversations between doctor and patient would include living wills, making a close relative or a trusted friend your health care proxy, learning about hospice as an option for the terminally ill, and information about pain medications for people suffering chronic discomfort.

The sessions would be covered every five years, more frequently if someone is gravely ill.

Q: Is anything required?

Monsignor Charles Fahey, 76, a Catholic priest who is chairman of the board of the National Council on Aging, a nonprofit service and advocacy group, says no.

"We have to make decisions that are deliberative about our health care at every moment," Fahey said. "What I have said is that if I cannot say another prayer, if I cannot give or get another hug, and if I cannot have another martini – then let me go."

Q: Does the bill advocate assisted suicide?

A: No. It would block funds for counseling that presents suicide or assisted suicide as an option.

Q: Who supports the provision?

A: The American Medical Association, the National Hospice and Palliative Care Organization and Consumers Union are among the groups supporting the provision. AARP, the seniors' lobby, is taking out print advertisements this week that label as false the claim that the legislation will empower the government to take over life-and-death decisions from individuals.

Q: Should the federal government be getting involved with living wills and end-of-life questions – decisions that are highly personal and really difficult?

A: It already is.

The government requires hospitals to ask adult patients if they have a living will, or "advance directive." If the patient doesn't have one, and wants one, the hospital has to provide assistance. The mandate on hospitals was instituted during a Republican administration, in 1992, under President George H.W. Bush.

Q: How does a living will work, and how is it different from a health care proxy?

A: A living will – also called an advance directive – spells out a patient's wishes if he or she becomes incapacitated. Often people say they don't want to be kept alive on breathing machines if their condition is terminal and irreversible.

A health care proxy empowers another person to make medical decisions should the patient become incapacitated.

There's also a power-of-attorney, which authorizes another person to make financial decisions for someone who is incapacitated.

Such legal documents have become standard estate-planning tools in the last twenty years.

Q: Would the health overhaul legislation change the way people now deal with making end-of-life decisions?

A: It very well could.

Supporters of the provision say the main consequence would be to formally bring doctors into a discussion that now takes place mainly among family members and lawyers.

"When you execute a legal document with your lawyer, it ends up in your files and in the lawyer's files," said John Rother, a senior policy and strategy adviser for AARP. "Unless the doctor is part of this discussion, it's unlikely that your wishes will be respected. The doctor will be the one involved in any decisions."

The American Medical Association says involving doctors is simple common sense.

"There has been a lot of misinformation about the advance care planning provisions in the bill," AMA President Dr. James Rohack said in a statement. "It's plain, old-fashioned medical care."

Q: So why are some people upset?

Some social conservatives say stronger language is needed to protect seniors from being pressured into signing away their rights to medical treatment in a moment of depression or despair.

The National Right to Life Committee opposes the provision as written.

"I'm not aware of 'death panels' in the bill," said David O'Steen, executive director of the group. "I'm not aware of anything that says you will be hauled before a government bureaucrat. But we are concerned ... it doesn't take a lot to push a vulnerable person – perhaps unwittingly – to give up their right to life-sustaining treatment."

The White House says it is countering false claims with a "reality check" page on its Web site, . http://www.whitehouse.gov

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Brian Ross
Managing Editor of Truth-2-Power.com
10:23 AM on 08/25/2009
When Palin heard there was no euthanasia she replied "Well that can't be. There must be a half a billion of the little guys running around China alone."
05:01 AM on 08/15/2009
This may sound strange but a hospital review system would be an improvement on the current life and death decisons being made by primary treating physicians without imput of a panel of any kind. My 50 year old mentally ill brother was tied to his bed at a Riverside CA hospital, denied food and water for days, and only permitted a few pints of IV fluid until he died in about two weeks. No attempt was made to give him liquid food after he became too weak to eat the little food his family fed him. Nurses refused to feed him at all. He was medicated until he died and treated like he was marked for death from the start. There should be some way a family could protest this type of forced euthanasia. The courts should intervene to stop this type of treatment of patients. The coroner even refused to sign the death certificate stated by the primary treating physician.
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mitsie
09:30 PM on 08/12/2009
People need to educate themselves on advance directives. There is to much false misleading info out there. There are no death panals, you the patient tell the doctors what you want. No one makes that decision for you, unless you pick out a proxie to make decisions for you. Even in that condition, there are two doctors required to accept the discontinuation or start of treatment, and if you have less then six months to live, certified by two seperate physicians. All the states, including Alaska have laws regarding this issue. Apparently Palin hasn't read that law, while she was Gov. That's a scarey thought.

http://www.caringinfo.org/PlanningAhead/AdvanceDirectives/WhatAreAdvanceDirectives.htm
08:23 PM on 08/12/2009
When my father (who is 95) goes into the hospital, which is two or three times a year, he is always asked what measures should be taken if he is on life support. His answer is always: do everything you can to keep me alive. That is accepted as his medical directive. No argument or persuasion to the contrary. This question is asked of all patients in the hospital in my city. It is the patient's CHOICE.
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CJWebber
I think we all love teachers.
11:00 AM on 08/12/2009
If a rumour abounded that the govt in Canada (or in any other country, actually, but I'll use Canada because I live there) was going to start 'putting old people out of their misery', we would laugh our a$$e$ off. WE WOULDN'T ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT. IT WOULD BE TOO STOOPID TO BELIEVE.

Therein lies the difference between Canadians and Americans.
08:44 AM on 08/12/2009
Facts won't cut it.

The fearful and loony will always say, "Ah! But this will lead to that!"
08:32 AM on 08/12/2009
Technically the phrase "death panel" doesn't appear. It's not exactly euthanasia, but same result. The government under Obamacare will set up a commission to determine the mathematical formulas for medical treatments. This commission will determine formulas to "objectively" analyze each patients future life worth. It is unquestionable one of the major determining factors will be age, the future life worth of a ninety-five year old is clearly less than a ten year old unless of course it's you. Also a formula which will determine "objectively" the maximum appropriate amount of money which should be spent for each persons medical treatments based on their future life worth will be written. As will a method of application for all. It's much nicer if you create a mathematical formula that makes some doctor tell grandma to take morphine instead of getting a pacemaker. Then the government can disclaim responsibility too, because after all, it's really not the government telling you no treatment, it's just the way the numbers work. But this won't do. If you design a formula to deny granny a pacemaker, knowing that this is the intent of the formula, then you've killed granny just as surely as if you'd ordered the doctor to do it directly, there is no difference.
09:09 AM on 08/12/2009
Have you ever dealt with medical insurers in the real world?

They now make the decisions, and reap the profits.

This is reality. Your muddled theories are not.
09:20 AM on 08/12/2009
If you know of an insurer who is denying needed non experimental standard life saving treatment for their insured on the basis of some evaluation of the future life value of the patients please post. But, though there are lots of problems with insurers this isn't.
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everythinginmoderation
Sort out your thoughts and follow your heart.
07:27 PM on 08/12/2009
Thank You!!
08:29 AM on 08/12/2009
Keep on spinning, for the elderly victim there is no difference is she is denied life saving treatment due to a formula and set of rules or if her doctor is ordered not to provide needed treatment. Even liberal columnists, in this case Eugene Robinson, see the problem:

"...reform is being sold not just as a moral obligation but also as a way to control rising health-care costs. ... It is not illogical for skeptics to suspect that if millions of people are going to be newly covered by health insurance, either costs are going to skyrocket or services are going to be curtailed.

...We spend unsustainable amounts of money on patients during the final year of life.....

....the proposed measure that would allow Medicare to pay for end-of-life counseling. If the government says it has to control health-care costs and then offers to pay doctors to give advice about hospice care, citizens are not delusional to conclude that the goal is to reduce end-of-life spending. It's irresponsible for politicians, such as Sarah Palin, to claim -- outlandishly and falsely -- that there's going to be some kind of "death panel" to decide when to pull the plug on Aunt Sylvia. But it's understandable why people might associate the phrase "health-care reform" with limiting their choices during Aunt Sylvia's final days. "
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mitsie
09:33 PM on 08/12/2009
Why the duplicate posts?
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dimplesmile7
08:22 AM on 08/12/2009
The GOP don't want facts. They just want to continue to believe and spread lies. They are the party of delusions. Who knew having a black president would bring out the nutty side of the GOP?
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Cye
05:42 AM on 08/12/2009
Given the madness of the radical right at present, it seems almost niave to expect that facts will have any effect. But still, 100 points for trying.
04:43 AM on 08/12/2009
Obama needs to show up at RAM in LA and visit with Stan Brock.

It would really drive home just HOW badly the people of this country are being neglected under the current health care system. Visual facts the GOP can not dispute!

They also need more volunteers for RAM in California. Get the word out to Socal California Doctors.

http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_13001883
03:46 AM on 08/12/2009
My mother's boyfriend was recently visiting, and gave me the most condescending "what a naive youngster" look as he asked me if I'd heard about what "Obamacare's gonna do with euthanasia?" I asked him if he really believed there was some congressman out there wringing his hands going "if only I could sneak in some way to kill of all the old people in this country.... I'VE GOT IT! HEALTH CARE!", and then asked if he thought he should be a little smarter than that. The guy promptly dropped the subject.
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everythinginmoderation
Sort out your thoughts and follow your heart.
07:35 PM on 08/12/2009
ask yourself this. Why won't your Reps. and Sens. sign on to the same health care they want the American people to accept. Why??? Whats wrong with it??? Is theirs better??? And if so, why is that???
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Chris Matthews 1
No! Not THAT one!
01:58 AM on 08/12/2009
Thank you AP for doing what very few were willing to do.
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HitnMyths
Too large a life for a micro bio
01:33 AM on 08/12/2009
my neighbors yard sign reads " Say No to Govt Run Health Care

My Yard Sign says: Us HealthCare

Pay Double, Live Less

It's been taken twice so far
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Poorsarah
01:10 AM on 08/12/2009
My sociology professor, who has a master's degree in political science, explained this lie from the right fringe in a clear and concise manner. By the way, he is also in law enforcement. In the USA, the law of our land clearly states that euthanasia is a criminal offense of murder. There is absolutely NO WAY President Obama would even think about putting this in the bill because he would face conspiracy to commit murder charges. Furthermore, absolutely no healthcare professional would EVER discuss this with a patient; if they did, they would be brought up on similar charges. These right-wing LIES/DELUSIONS simply do not relate to reality.