Memo To Palin: Republicans Support So-Called "Death Panels"

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First Posted: 08-11-09 11:51 AM   |   Updated: 09-11-09 05:12 AM

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Conservatives trying to promote the inflammatory idea that President Obama is encouraging euthanasia are not just running afoul of reality, they're also running afoul of their own party. Republican lawmakers have historically backed the same provisions on which the flimsy charge has been made.

In the past week, reform opponents have seriously distorted section 1233 of the House health care bill. GOP figures including former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) have ominously warned that the legislation would force seniors to choose between cost-effective ways to die. In actuality, section 1233 allows for Medicare to cover voluntary counseling sessions for end-of-life decisions, such as writing a living will.

In a briefing with online reporters on Monday, senior White House officials said they felt blindsided by the distortions. Questions about whether health care legislation would touch these sensitive topics came largely from the Republican side of the aisle. And when the bill was being crafted, they said, no objections were raised.

"I think they sincerely thought that is something we should do," said one aide. "And I don't think there were any questions about [section 1223] when it came up in the committee."

That may be because, removed from the heat of the current health care debate, addressing end-of-life consultations is a bipartisan concern. As pointed out by Carla Axtman of the group Compassion & Choices, an organization dedicated to care of terminally ill patients, several Republicans are on record supporting variations of 1223.

In the House of Representatives, Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-Ore.) introduced legislation in April that dealt directly with Medicare reimbursements for Physician Order for Life Sustaining Treatment (POLST) conversations. His bill has two Republican co-sponsors, Rep. Charles Boustany (R-La.) and Rep. Patrick Tiberi (R-Ohio).

"Serious illness, death, and dying are often difficult subjects to talk about for individuals, their families, and health care professionals," the bill reads. "Poor communication about preferences for care at the end of life can cause distress for both patients and their families... As individuals approach the last chapter of their life, more can and should be done to educate them about treatment choices and help individuals communicate to health providers what care they want or do not want to receive."

On the Senate side, Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.V.) has a piece of legislation that includes provisions for end-of-life conversations. Sen, Susan Collins (R-Maine), is listed as a co-sponsor.

Rockefeller introduced a similar bill in 2007: The Medicare End-of-Life Care Planning Act. Among the co-sponsors for that legislation were Republican Senators Richard Lugar, (R-Ind.), John Isakson, (R-Ga.) and Collins.

So, how do these GOP lawmakers feel about seeing an issue they support distorted into a fear-mongering tactic by their conservative brethren? Those who have spoken out aren't pleased.

"I just had a phone call where someone said Sarah Palin's web site had talked about the House bill having death panels on it where people would be euthanized," Isakson told the Washington Post's Ezra Klein. "How someone could take an end of life directive or a living will as that is nuts. You're putting the authority in the individual rather than the government. I don't know how that got so mixed up."


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Heck, didn't Sarah Palin have this law in her own state?

http://www.squidoo.com/meghanmccain

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 08/24/2009

The death panel that already exists in Texas has decided that it's time for me to die. As an incapacitated terminally ill man, I collect Social Security disability to live on. I have in my possession an letter from Texas's death panel. It states that as a disabled man who can't work I make too much money to be on Medicaid. That is most certainly a death sentence. I might have lived for years otherwise. Ask Sarah Palin if she's willing to lift a finger to help save my life for a few more years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 08/14/2009
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I am very sorry. We pray that this will change to Medicare for all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 08/24/2009
- chriss0114 I'm a Fan of chriss0114 25 fans permalink
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Silly Sarah used to be FOR death panels when she was governor...I wonder what changed?

http://gov.state.ak.us/archive.php?id=1094&type=6

I guess she decided NOT to honor the American soldiers!

Also, those on Facebook can vote on a poll to get her Facebook account revoke for abuse:

http://apps.facebook.com/realpolls/m/76g5ulg1k

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 08/14/2009
- Lulu-1 I'm a Fan of Lulu-1 16 fans permalink

My favorite REPUBLICAN comment was "Keep your G.D. government hands off my medicaid !!!"

(ah, sir, medicaid is government run . . . . . )

Back to the SWAMP with all of them, no?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 08/12/2009
- wldone I'm a Fan of wldone 33 fans permalink
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paid for by Americans... not the goverment. If you think they cannot take it away just ask them if they will implement health care reform if they want even if 80% of Americans were against it.. foolish.. really foolish thinking

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 08/12/2009
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Sure, each of us who has Medicare pays a premium, but who administers Medicare? The government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 AM on 08/13/2009
- wldone I'm a Fan of wldone 33 fans permalink
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Our side-
How much is one additional year of your life worth? Or one more year of life for your father or your wife? For your child? In Great Britain, the government has settled on a number: $45,000. That's how much a government commission with the Orwellian acronym NICE has decided British government-run health care will pay for one additional year of life for a British subject Think it could never happen here? Then you need to pay closer attention to what Washington is planning for your health care. The British single-payer bureaucrats arrived at the price of an additional year of life in the same way they decide how much health care all British people will get, through a formula called "quality-adjusted life years."That means that if you're sick in Great Britain, government bureaucrats literally decide if your life is worth living and, if so, how much longer and at what cost. If it's more than $45,000, you're out of luck.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 08/12/2009
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There are definitely different points of view to ponder. Reading your previous comments...you are a little out there...somewhere.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 08/12/2009
- wldone I'm a Fan of wldone 33 fans permalink
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go research it yourself. that is all i can tell you... again, it you do not think that your goverment will not in times of Finacial crisis have to limit care then you are not informed. It is not my view on how they would go about deciding who would get care but rather the thoughts of those who are in obamas administration. If you think the thoughts are out there? That is exactly what I thought when reading Obama administrations thoughts...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 08/12/2009
- zanzig I'm a Fan of zanzig 40 fans permalink

Some minor exaggerations in your comments:

QALYs was not invented by the British health system, it has been used for over 30 years and is used in assessing the value for money of a medical intervention. It sounds cold hearted but the simple fact is that as we live in a largely capitalistic world system, any human endeavour will be assessed on a dollars and cents basis. One of those assessments is if a medical intervention will provide a number of quality years of life. It is done with the intention of best using scarce resources. But yes, it will result in some medical treatment being denied.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 08/12/2009
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So do you mean that's a private, corporate medical insurance practice?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 08/12/2009

What are they going to do, take you out back and shoot you? You make it sound so scary. Give us an example where the British government just did what you claim. I bet then aren't any disabled or old people in England. But I do know for fact that there are certain areas in England where people don't speak english. Is it very hard for you to, you know communicate with them?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 08/12/2009
- wldone I'm a Fan of wldone 33 fans permalink
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I just suggest you find out who is giving Obama advise on health care reform and what it is they think... you miss the entire point. but people without open minds do.. just go look... what are you afraid of facts or information so you might make a better informed choice?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 08/12/2009
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If you're sick in America, insurance company clerks will literally decide if your life is worth living and, if so, how much longer and at what cost.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 AM on 08/13/2009

Do you really think your present private insurer doesn't have the same formula? Do you really think they will be there for you if and when you need more medical coverage than you've paid for? Right now, there's no law saying they have to be. They can pull the rug out from under you whenever they want to, and then good luck finding another insurance company that will take you on. Face it, health care costs money. Someone has to pay for it. There is no free lunch, whether the lunch comes from the private or public cafeteria. But one thing is true here: the Medicare recipient is covered all the way. We have no horror stories of people dumped off Medicare (or the VA) because their care cost too much. There are many, many horror stories of people kicked off their private insurance plans or losing coverage when they lose their jobs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 08/13/2009
- wldone I'm a Fan of wldone 33 fans permalink
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This is the goverment you are going to trust your life with? You believe that quality-adjusted life years is impossible? Really?

Social Security and Medicare are fading even faster under the weight of the recession, heading for insolvency years sooner than previously expected, the government warned Tuesday. Social Security will start paying out more in benefits than it collects in taxes in 2016, a year sooner than projected last year, and the giant trust fund will be depleted by 2037, four years sooner, trustees reported.

Medicare is in even worse shape. The trustees said the program for hospital expenses will pay out more in benefits than it collects this year, just as it did for the first time in 2008. The trustees project that the Medicare fund will be depleted by 2017, two years earlier than the date projected in last year’s report.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 AM on 08/12/2009
- wldone I'm a Fan of wldone 33 fans permalink
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How much is one additional year of your life worth? Or one more year of life for your father or your wife? For your child? In Great Britain, the government has settled on a number: $45,000. That's how much a government commission with the Orwellian acronym NICE has decided British government-run health care will pay for one additional year of life for a British subject Think it could never happen here? Then you need to pay closer attention to what Washington is planning for your health care. The British single-payer bureaucrats arrived at the price of an additional year of life in the same way they decide how much health care all British people will get, through a formula called "quality-adjusted life years."That means that if you're sick in Great Britain, government bureaucrats literally decide if your life is worth living and, if so, how much longer and at what cost. If it's more than $45,000, you're out of luck.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 08/12/2009
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You gonna post this same text again? Won't you, please? After reading it twice now, I haven't quite understood it, but if you'd please paste it in again, I'm sure I'll be able to understand it then.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 AM on 08/13/2009
- mick7191 I'm a Fan of mick7191 36 fans permalink
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So, don't do anything? The cost of healthcare is estimated to increase 6.8% every year for the next 10 years. I believe that is more than the cost of living increases for the same time period. Since you are doing math, do the math. Where does that leave the average American? And I do trust the government with my life because they are very good at protecting us. The VA system works well. Medicare works well. If it is underfunded, then fund it. Taxes need to go up and we need to adopt a system like they have in France. It still allows the insurance companies to make obscene amounts of money and provides coverage for everyone, even foreigners. What is wrong with that? That the insurance companies and HMOs don't make as much money? So? I just want to know that I won't lose my house if I have to have treatment for cancer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 AM on 08/12/2009
- wldone I'm a Fan of wldone 33 fans permalink
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And where do you suggest we get the money to fund all of these Entitlements with? If you have noticed our economy according to our president is the worst since the great depression. Our goverment who owe thier offices to Lobbyist (right and left) could do many things to bring down the cost of health insurance. They could Implement laws that limit costs. They could do many things to make health care affordable, but they (right or left) would bite the hand that feeds them who ever is padding their pockets. Demand more! Demand better. If you think our goverment doesnt allocate money you should really open your eyes. Ask the farmer if it does or any industry that recieves goverment funding. See you think it will never happen to you. I might happen to someone else but not you. I am telling you it could happen to you! Go take a look at who Obamas health care advisors and czars are and what they believe. If you dont belive me, see if you believe your own eyes

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 08/12/2009

What's your solution then? Should we shutdown medicare like the republicans are trying to shut down Democrats solution to Health Care Reform? Don't just say no, then you sound like you're from the party of NO. You bring doom and gloom to this happy and hippie place. Shouldn't you be watching glenn beck on tivo right now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 AM on 08/12/2009
- wldone I'm a Fan of wldone 33 fans permalink
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Allow crossing state lines to buy insurance for one. Creating laws that mandate insurance companies cannot deny pre exsisiting conditions. Get rid of waste and control torte just for starters. Again, the reason your reps will not go after certain groups (right or left) is because they get money from those groups. There is a solution other than this bill and America needs to demand that the id10ts in Washington find out what it is. Single payer is just an easy fix with a potentially painful cost.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 08/12/2009
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I wonder if Republicans believe in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, and the Bogie Man. Pathetic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 AM on 08/12/2009
- wldone I'm a Fan of wldone 33 fans permalink
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In the highest levels of the Obama Administration there is a theory of how to ration health care that is troublingly reminiscent of the British system of "quality-adjusted life years."

Dr. Ezekial Emanuel is a key health care advisor to President Obama and the brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. Earlier this year, Dr. Emanuel wrote an article that advocated what he called "the complete lives system" as a method for rationing health care. You can read it here.

The system advocated by Dr. Emanuel would allocate health care based on the government's perception of the societal worth of the patients. Accordingly, the very young and the very old would receive less care since the former have received less societal investment and the latter have less left to contribute

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 AM on 08/12/2009
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The Complete Lives System" would also consider the prognosis of the individual.

Quoting Dr. Emanuel: "A young person with a poor prognosis has had few life-years but lacks the potential to live a complete life. Considering prognosis forestalls the concern that disproportionately large amounts of resources will be directed to young people with poor prognosis."

When fully implemented, Dr. Emanuel's system, in his words, "produces a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 years get the most substantial chance, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated."

"Chances that are attenuated" is a nice way of saying the young and the old are considered less worthy of health care and, under this system, will get less.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 AM on 08/12/2009

Healthcare rationing? It's here. Younger and older get less coverage? It's here. Denial of benefits based on cost analysis? It's here. And it's all under a private insurance system. Your 'every man for himself' argument is just ducky. Do you have a point to make regarding "WE the People, in order to form a more perfect UNION"..?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 08/13/2009

Wake up America!

The World Health Organization Ranks the US 24th in life expectancy, behind virtually every European country as well as Canada and Australia (which of course the US doesn't want to be like).
The US ranks #72 in Health Performance behind countries like Cuba #36, Columbia #51, and Mexico #63.
Where the US leads is in total health expenses as a precentage of GNP at #2. In the world only the Marshall Islands are more expensive.
When politicians tell you that the US has the best health care THEY ARE LYING TO YOU.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:03 AM on 08/12/2009
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If the Republicans have their way, than America will remain at the lower ranks in terms of healthcare and other indicators of social wellbeing. This is because 'socialised medicine' is supposedly worst than the abject neglect of the medical needs of millions of American citizens.

There is a lot of talk since the failed Iraq war about the end of American international hegemony. Mostly this is attributed to economics and geopolitics, but I also think that American'l neglect of its own citizens - emobdied in the the fear of 'socialised' anything - will also contribute. Standards will continue to decline until even the smallest states can boast of better life expectancy, health care provision, literacy, etc.

Instead of being "the beacon on the hill" America will become irrelevant, still fighting the Cold War while the rest of the world has moved on..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 AM on 08/12/2009
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Obama needs to show up at RAM in LA and visit with Stan Brock.

It would really drive home just HOW badly the people of this country are being neglected under the current health care system. Visual facts the GOP can not dispute!

They also need more volunteers for RAM in California. Get the word out to Socal California Doctors.

http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_13001883

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 AM on 08/12/2009
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Republicans wonder why the Democrats don't want to listen to them. The Democrats take a good Republican proposal on having insurance companies pay for the Doctor's time when discussing end of life issues, and try to incorporate it into the Health Care Reform legislation, then the Republican's turn around and say that Democrats want a death panel, distorting it to the point where it would be fair to say the Republicans are lying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 08/11/2009
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What's the Republican proposal, other than "We propose to do nothing"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 08/12/2009
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Sorry. That's it.

It's called the "I've Got Mine, Now the Hell With You" plan. It will be underwritten by the Elitist Insurance Company. And the crowning touch? Those who can't afford health care for their own families get to pay for it so that fat cat politicians won't have to dip into their pockets to pay for unforeseen medical expenses, like getting shot in the face by the Vice President.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 08/13/2009
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Insurance companies are the death panels.
They decide if you get covered treatment or not and the doctors won't treat you if your insurance is denied.
Seniors give up food to purchase or take smaller doses for prescriptions that are not covered by medicare or their insurance.
The insurance companies are the problem and will let you die to keep money in their pockets.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 08/11/2009
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I have a hard time understanding how anyone other than the executives and shareholders of the private insurance companies could think that our current healthcare system is meeting the needs of the American people. I'm a medical professional myself and support universal health care reform. I've written my Congressman, Senators, and the President on more than one occasion and have also called their offices to voice my support for reform. I've also spent countless hours researching what the best overall way is to bring down long term costs in order to provide everybody accessible and affordable health care. Here's my solutions - http://bit.ly/9QLV8

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 08/11/2009
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IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY MONEY

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 AM on 08/12/2009
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Thanks for the thoughtful post. I completely agree that how we Americans choose to live is the number one determinant of how much our nation must spend on health care. We've done a great job reducing tobacco use and the more affluent segments of our society have a diet that supports healthy longevity. But poor Americans on average have one of the poorer diets in the world.

Much of that is due to lack of fresh foods in poor neighborhoods and the lack of money to buy them when they are available. But ignorance and lack of proper training in healthful meal preparation is a large contributor. We may need to take a page from Hugo Chavez and open government funded but locally operated food co-ops in poorer neighborhoods. They should not even stock sodas and snack foods, and should subsidize bulk and fresh foods in preference to canned and boxed items.

For a few billion dollars a year I think we could make a signficant difference in the diets and lives of poorer Americans. It needs to be continued for at least a generation to have an effect, but would probably be the most effective few billion "healthcare" dollars spent in that two decades.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 AM on 08/12/2009
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I knew someone else would be smart enough to see to the core of our healthcare problems in America. I think you have a good idea with the food co-ops. We also need to remove industry influence from the meat and dairy industries. Also the farm bill needs to be revamped so as not to encourage subsidies for making processed foods with high fructose corn syrup added to everything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 08/12/2009
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RXvette -- I looked at your website, and it's a remarkably practical, common sense approach to health care reform. Ergo, it doesn't stand a chance in the current political climate. Kudos, however, for your logical (and remarkably simple) suggestion. I especially like the fact that it focuses on individual responsibility. Maybe one of these days the majority of Americans will be able to think for themselves. Hang on to your plan. You never know. It COULD happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 08/13/2009
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The GOP should all be loaded up on the next shuttle and dropped off on the space station, maybe they can form their own country there and live by their own out of this universe policies.I'm sure the aliens wouldn't bother them, they know nuts when they see em.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 08/11/2009
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 08/11/2009
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Keith Olbermann discussed Palin's Death Panel with Shannyn Moore regarding this article:

http://www.adn.com/life/health/story/864670.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 08/11/2009
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