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Gates: It's A "Mystery" How Long US Forces Will Be In Afghanistan

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LARA JAKES and ANNE GEARAN | 08/14/09 01:53 AM | AP

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WASHINGTON — The Pentagon presented a grim portrait of the Afghanistan war Thursday, offering no assurances about how long Americans will be fighting there or how many U.S. combat troops it will take to win.

Defeating the Taliban and al-Qaida will take "a few years," Defense Secretary Robert Gates said, with success on a larger scale in the desperately poor country a much longer proposition. He acknowledged that the Taliban has a firm hold on parts of the country President Barack Obama has called vital to U.S. security.

Congress wants answers to what lawmakers described as basic questions to soothe a war-weary American public.

"In the intelligence business, we always used to categorize information in two ways, secrets and mysteries," Gates, a former CIA director, told a Pentagon news conference.

He added: "Mysteries were those where there were too many variables to predict. And I think that how long U.S. forces will be in Afghanistan is in that area."

With 62,000 U.S. troops already in the country, and another 6,000 headed there by the end of the year, Gates suggested there is little appetite in Washington to add many more.

He said his top commander in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, is free to ask for whatever he needs, but Gates said when the general submits a revised war plan in the coming weeks it will not contain a request to expand the U.S. fighting force.

McChrystal is expected to identify shortfalls that could be filled by U.S. forces, but a formal request would come only later. The White House has made no secret of its skepticism about further troop additions in Afghanistan, and Gates said Thursday he still was worried that too many American forces could turn Afghans against those trying to help them.

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Obama has made Afghanistan one of his top foreign policy priorities. But his administration is grappling with refocusing on Afghanistan, which the U.S. invaded in October 2001 to hunt for Osama bin Laden, while disentangling 130,000 American troops from Iraq.

In a report released earlier this week, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee warned the Obama administration that unanswered questions about lingering U.S. involvement in Afghanistan could frustrate the public.

"The administration has raised the stakes by transforming the Afghan war from a limited intervention into a more ambitious and potentially risky counterinsurgency," the Senate report concluded. "These core questions about commitment and sacrifice can be answered only through a rigorous and informed national debate."

Committee Chairman Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., cited "risks and rewards associated with our increasing commitment to the war in Afghanistan."

As the fight moves toward its ninth year this fall, Gates said allied forces must show this year that they are turning the tide.

"It's just not possible to predict specific periods of time when you're in a conflict like this, where ... the enemy has a vote and where there are so many variables," Gates said.

Appearing alongside Gates, the nation's second-highest ranking military officer agreed there is no date certain for an exit.

Joint Chiefs Vice Chairman Marine Gen. James Cartwright said he is looking for evidence of U.S. and NATO troops increasingly turning security missions over to Afghan forces as a sign of when Americans might ramp down their presence.

"When you start to see that attitude change, then you start to have a sense that things are going to move in a direction that would be towards the end of the violence side of this equation," Cartwright said.

The Senate report also noted the wide-ranging timeline for U.S. troops in the fight cited by unidentified military leaders, policy-makers and outside experts around Washington: anywhere from two years to over a decade.

"None of the civilian officials or military officers interviewed in Afghanistan and elsewhere expected substantial progress in the short term. They talked in terms of years two, five and 10," the report noted.

The varying timelines, in part, may reflect politics.

Capitol Hill has grown wary of approving annual war chests after years of ever-increasing costs for Iraq. Obama has asked Congress for $68 billion next year to fund defense spending in Afghanistan. The U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan, Karl Eikenberry, recently asked for another $2.5 billion in nonmilitary spending, The Washington Post reported this week.

Military officials believe the Afghanistan mission can only succeed if troops are there far longer – anywhere from five years to 12 years.

Cartwright suggested that some changes will be needed "pretty soon."

"The IED fight is pretty lethal," Cartwright said, referring to improvised explosive devices left on roadsides which are now the cause of the majority of U.S. and NATO deaths.

Last month 49 coalition troops died in bomb attacks, a more than six-fold increase from the eight killed in roadside and suicide bomb attacks in July 2008, according to U.S. figures.

WASHINGTON — The Pentagon presented a grim portrait of the Afghanistan war Thursday, offering no assurances about how long Americans will be fighting there or how many U.S. combat troops it will...
WASHINGTON — The Pentagon presented a grim portrait of the Afghanistan war Thursday, offering no assurances about how long Americans will be fighting there or how many U.S. combat troops it will...
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- lightningbolt I'm a Fan of lightningbolt 158 fans permalink

The U.S. intends to stay in Iraq and Afghanistan permanently. They will keep the conflict simmering at low intensity to justify their presence. The most powerful military in history is not winning quickly because it is their intention not to win quickly.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 8/17/2009
- Bcasey11 I'm a Fan of Bcasey11 16 fans permalink
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Call obama on...
wire-tapping
expanding of middle east presence
ridiculous conflict of interest in the cabinet
lying about iraq

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 8/16/2009
- Bcasey11 I'm a Fan of Bcasey11 16 fans permalink
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confirmed America supports Taliban

http://blogs.reuters.com/archive/author/globalpost/

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 8/16/2009
- Norge I'm a Fan of Norge 26 fans permalink

They are stuck in a quagmir and do not know how to get out and at the same time save face. They are in the worst of situations and know it is not winable though cannot publicly admitt such. In such a frozen condition they will continue to pour lives and resources down a rat hole which has no bottom
with the delusions of "The White Mans' burden".

Though it will continue to benifit the war materials industries and those employed in all related industries.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 AM on 8/16/2009
- porsche996 I'm a Fan of porsche996 183 fans permalink
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Its disturbing and of concern to me that it appears that President Obama is not being permitted to change the Joint Chiefs or the SECDEF or NSA leaders.

Why not?

Isn't he granted all the powers of the executive branch upon inauguration? Isn't he the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the USA?

What's really going on?

Former President Musharraf of Pakistan told Fareed Zakaria that now that the US has involved them selves in Iraq and Afghanistan, we can never leave, ever. He did not equivocate or suggest room for quibbling argument he said flatly in his opinion that we could now never leave.

War without end, the perfect military-industrial-congressional complex result for the shadow government.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 AM on 8/16/2009
- ssf467 I'm a Fan of ssf467 permalink

Where are all the Anti War Protesters? It's okay to destroy people if a Dem is in? The GOP got us into a horrible set of wars. Obama was to get us out, seems this is not going to happen. I guess his puppeteers see and endless flow of tax revenue with these unconstitutional wars.
Wake up and see we are being destroyed from within. Global interested are being placed in front of America's.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 8/15/2009
- ExRepublican I'm a Fan of ExRepublican 31 fans permalink

We who know Obama personally (shook his hand, got a autograph from the man, stood next to him for 3 seconds, saw him through our binocs from 1K yards, read one of his books, fantasized about him), KNOW he is antiwar.

Anyone who says he isn't, is a republican and/or unpatriotic!

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 AM on 8/16/2009
- bascombe I'm a Fan of bascombe 59 fans permalink
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that statement is precisely why this boo.sh holdover needs to be bounced.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 8/15/2009
- Academic I'm a Fan of Academic 238 fans permalink

Just what I thought - the United States hasn't a clue what it's doing in Afghanistan anymore than a compulsive alcoholic knows why he or she drinks so much. For all that though both have this obsession with violence and self-immolation

Professor Dr. Stanley Collymore.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 8/15/2009
- noweknow I'm a Fan of noweknow 8 fans permalink

"It's a mystery how long U.S. forces will be in Afghanistan.

It's no mystery. When the money run out and we couldn't borrow from the Chinese any longer.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 AM on 8/15/2009
- greyhound2 I'm a Fan of greyhound2 19 fans permalink
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It's no mystery. It depends on your definition of win. If winning is stabilizing the country, the US forces will have to police Afganistan forever. How much of this can the US afford? Not much, their checking account is already over-drawn.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 8/15/2009
- WilliamL I'm a Fan of WilliamL 38 fans permalink

have you ever heard the business unil the cow come home.......................................................................

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 8/14/2009
- AirForce Vet I'm a Fan of AirForce Vet 67 fans permalink

It has been mentioned that it is a mystery concerning how long U.S. forces will be in Afghanistan. Well Mr. Secretary, it may be a mystery to some, but here are some opinions about your mystery. If this was left up to our government then it automatically becomes a mystery. If left up to our government, (1) we will be there until hell freezes over (whenever that will be, a fat chance of that), (2) we will be there until we have no more precious lives to sacrifice and no more treasure to expend (using other people’s children and money, for men’s egos), (3) we will be there until we have killed all of the insurgents (this could be anybody and anything). The following would not be a mystery. If left up to others we will be there until, (4) the Afghans run us out of their country (failure to learn from past Afghanistan follies), (5) the American people demand an end to this continuous conflict (failure to listen to the electorate’s voice). Mr. Gates, it is a mystery because the government has made it a mystery. Be very careful that this mystery doesn’t become fiction a well. A dream of triumph can soon become a nightmare of defeat.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 8/14/2009
- NextYearLions I'm a Fan of NextYearLions 6 fans permalink

I'm glad they gave us an update on an endgame for our presence over there. I always thought it was when we are done, like the video game makers of Duke Nukem would say about their product. Which turned out to be never.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 8/14/2009
- special muppet I'm a Fan of special muppet 66 fans permalink
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I hope we stay there until the job is done.

I think there have been huge advances toward defeating the Taliban in recent months and I'm really glad that Afghanistan is back at the top of the agenda where it should have remained since 9/11.

More importantly, the strategy has changed focus on protecting the population and curbing the use of airstrikes. America is beginning to win hearts and minds over there, see Christiane Amanpour's latest documentary on CNN.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 8/14/2009
- BradSmith I'm a Fan of BradSmith 257 fans permalink
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This strategy will break down just like all the others have. About the only thing it will do is make us even more enemies. If you honestly believe you can win hearts and minds with tanks and bombs you simply don't understand how war works. The people of Afghanistan are anti-taliban and anti-American occupation. The longer we stay the more it will simply shift into support for any group that decided to get rid of us.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 8/14/2009
- Bcasey11 I'm a Fan of Bcasey11 16 fans permalink
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wow, yes because these dudes in caves pulled of the luckiest attack on a western country in the 21 century, but couldn't find anymore terrorists to do it again because of the patriot act. And they did it mainly because we are free and prosperous. hahahahh your name suits you "special".

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 8/16/2009
- Bcasey11 I'm a Fan of Bcasey11 16 fans permalink
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yes all those dudes in caves can't attack us anymore, thank god for things like the patriot act, that were so necessary for our safety. ignorance is simple.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 8/16/2009
- FirstShirt I'm a Fan of FirstShirt 66 fans permalink

Good news. We will get out of Iraq. Bad news is that we will get bogged down in Afgan.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 8/14/2009
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