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Frustration Mounts: Dem Rep Says Town Hall Protesters Using "Fascist Tactics"

First Posted: 09/17/09 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 02:50 PM ET

Nadler

The Netroots Nation convention this past weekend offered the progressive political community a chance to catch its breath, reassess and regroup during what has become a highly escalated health care debate. But over a four-day period in Pittsburgh, the predominant refrain was one of regret. As in: how the heck did we find ourselves in this position?

Opponents of the president's agenda for health care legislation have largely outmaneuvered the proponents. In Congress, the Democratic caucus is fractured enough to delay a bill's consideration. In the public opinion arena, the White House has watched confidence in its ability to handle the issue drop. But the most telling development has been in the grassroots. While it was once widely assumed that the President would draft his 13-million-strong campaign apparatus to health care reform's cause, so far it has been conservative groups that have dominated the dialogue.

All of which has left members of Congress feeling hamstrung and deeply frustrated.

"It is fascist. It is a fascist tactic," Rep. Jerry Nadler, (D-N.Y.) said of the approach of conservative town hall protesters. "That's exactly what they did in Weimar, Germany. Let me put it this way. It is a fascist tactic not to disagree with you, or to say you are an idiot or whatever, but to try to shut you up. That's what I mean. That's a fascist tactic."

"What are your choices if you are confronted with this?" Nadler added, in an interview with the Huffington Post. "There are three choices. One, you can ignore it and surrender to it. Two, you can call the cops in advance and all you are going to get then is a big story. Three, you can call in your own muscle people and then you have Weimar, Germany with rival street gangs fighting it out. And none of those are acceptable choices. Do you really want rival gangs in [these forums]? That is how democracy breaks down."

Nevertheless, calling in your own muscle is exactly what Democrats are doing in some cases. Weeks before Netroots Nation, two major labor organizations -- the AFL-CIO and SEIU -- began dispatching members to town halls as an effort to counter-balance the largely unfavorable crowds. The groups were subsequently accused of escalating rhetoric and inciting violence. But the strategy, officials say, is only going to get more intense.

"Their whole purpose was to stop debate, was to spread lies, create fear, and hope that they could stop what the country really needs and wants and is demanding," said Richard Trumka, the Treasury-Secretary of ALF-CIO. "So us trying to stop them or balancing or preventing them from being aggressive disruptive forces is a service to democracy."

In private, Democratic strategists say labor's involvement is a big relief but may be too little too late. They warned that a critical moment in the health care reform debate may have passed. As of now, the frame is set in which a voluntary public plan for insurance coverage is seen as a vast government takeover of the private sector. The public plan was supposed to be the compromise progressives made from pushing for a single payer system.

But as reform was watered down at the behest of conservative Democrats, the howls from liberals didn't grow demonstrably louder.

"It is incumbent upon us to organize separately and draw big red lines around things like the public plan," Bob Borosage, co-director of Campaign For America's Future, told the Huffington Post a few weeks ago.

As effective as the angry anti-reform town-hall protesters have been at getting media attention, that does not mean they are actually influencing members of Congress. "When a person stands up and points their finger at you like a 54-caliber automatic, and calls you a liar, you can be sure they didn't vote for you and won't vote for you under any circumstance," Rep. Jay Inslee, (D-W.A.) told the Huffington Post. "Those folks never voted for any of my colleagues on this side and wont vote for folks on my side in the next election. They are mad that they lost the last election. They didn't vote for Barack Obama. They will never vote for Barack Obama and they won't vote for Barack Obama's friend."

Moreover, there is also a sense -- or, rather, a hope -- that the protesters will overplay their hands. Certainly, insinuations that the (still popular) president is acting like Hitler and that his agenda is Nazism have the potential to turn off Independents and moderates.

"I think they will backfire," House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, (D-S.C.) told the Huffington Post. "I certainly hope so. I'll tell you. I believe that the right to freedom of speech, the right to peacefully assemble, all of these rights are constitutional rights to all of us, that all of us hold dear. I come out of the '60s. I demonstrated. I sat in. I marched. But I don't think I had the right to disturb other people. Even when we were trained to march, we were trained to march in single file, not to take over the streets that we marched in. We were trained to turn the other cheek, to not ever invade other people's space so to speak. All of us had the right to free speech. But all of us do owe a certain amount of respect and space."


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The Netroots Nation convention this past weekend offered the progressive political community a chance to catch its breath, reassess and regroup during what has become a highly escalated health care de...
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05:05 PM on 08/18/2009
We need a million person march for a health care reform that includes a public option in Washington D.C in September when the Senate and Congress come back from recess.
05:03 PM on 08/18/2009
There have been alot of town hall meetings with far more Pro healthcare reformers outnumbering the anti-reformers but this is not being seen in our television or some of our print media. The message needs to get out if we are going to get healthcare reform with the necessary strong public option.
04:40 PM on 08/18/2009
Nadler is a waste of print space. His comments are divisive and expose the ineptness of his service to his district.

He needs to find a new line of work. Like McDonalds.
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redsongia
is not Chicago
04:03 PM on 08/18/2009
The real question is, why do these people at town halls oppose health care, when many of them are on their last legs with gigantic bellies hanging down to their knees and with their bewildered fat faces full of rage and confusion?

Are they worried that someone will force them to go to a doctor who might suggest they lose some weight and eat a vegetable once in a while?
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thepoliticalcat
Eradicate your microbioflora
12:43 PM on 08/20/2009
That was cruel. But funny. And absolutely spot-on.
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redsongia
is not Chicago
03:57 PM on 08/18/2009
It's a good thing gun enthusiasts have begun bringing their weapons to town halls. Guns will undoubtedly solve the health care problem, because there's no problem a gun can't solve. Plus, in a democracy, the toughest person is always right, so whoever has the gun, I say follow whatever that person says.

Crisis solve! Thank you, Second Amendment.
02:21 PM on 08/18/2009
Limbaugh comparison of Obama to Nazi's = Bad
Dem Rep comparison of Republicans to Nazi's = Good

This is nothing compared to what happened in Weimar. Just because people are angry doesn't make them fascist. In fact, when the people agree 100% is when you have fascism. But in democracy, there are arguements, there are confrontations, and there is partisanship. And this is all fine. How about you grow a pair and confront your opposition instead of hiring union thugs and throwing around the fascist word?
02:41 PM on 08/18/2009
So, what would all you delicate flowers like, then? To wait until 6 million of somebody or another gets exterminated, before it becomes appropriate to acknowledge there might be a little problem, here?

I often envision what it must have been like in pre-war Europe, when the more sage elements of society warned their fellow countrymen that the symptoms they were seeing were likely leading them toward a fatal disease. I wonder how many times they were accused of being Chicken Little?
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redsongia
is not Chicago
04:01 PM on 08/18/2009
Well, the key is, Republicans bring their guns to the debate, therefore, what ever they say is right, since clearly, they are tougher.
03:38 PM on 08/18/2009
Policon...Just because someone is a union member doesn't make him/her a thug, just as not all repubs are crazed lunatics like the ones at town hall meetings. Would you agree?

SEIU is SERVICE Employees International Uinion. You mean to tell us that day care workers, elder care workers and the like are thugs?!?!?
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jbrantow
02:18 PM on 08/18/2009
primary mission of the rethugs. Make President Obama a failure.......then rant that he's a failure and finally use it as a political taking point so they can regain power and further destroy this country like the did from Reagan to the last Bush. Pure politics.
02:23 PM on 08/18/2009
Let me guess.... you want your country back from the Reagan and Bush supporters? Now where have I heard that phrase before?
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reggieb
02:52 PM on 08/18/2009
ehh, if you think it works to try and put words in someone else's mouth, you are wrong - go back to the airport restroom for your oral fixation.
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tbone99
cruisin' duality
01:37 PM on 08/18/2009
thid captures the issue in a nutshell

http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2009/08/18/tomo/
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reggieb
02:16 PM on 08/18/2009
lol. "the insurance companies will greet us as liberators"
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redsongia
is not Chicago
04:06 PM on 08/18/2009
Threat level Orange! We are all one day closer to death!
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Eilis27
The soft minded wo/man always fears change. MLK
01:20 PM on 08/18/2009
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
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tbone99
cruisin' duality
01:40 PM on 08/18/2009
wow- great description of the U.S
04:19 PM on 08/18/2009
Sounds like the Bush years
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scrzbill
Liberal veteran
01:19 PM on 08/18/2009
I do not think the right even understand the language that is being thrown around. By the comments I see on this blog, being disruptive and shouting other people down is OK. It is recommended by children to get candy and toys. Bringing guns and intimidation is OK. The wild west is back and I can outdraw and outshoot any liberal who gets in my way. My view on the birthers is that they lost and they are upset some neo con is not in power. They will do everything they can to defeat any legislation. The party of no. No discussion, no programs, no agenda, no leaders, no, no, no. When the left organizes, MOVE ON. KOS, HP, Mother Jones, TPM, TP, we are communist, socialist, ist ist ist. Get over yerselves you lost. Love it or leave it.
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Eilis27
The soft minded wo/man always fears change. MLK
01:18 PM on 08/18/2009
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes the media are directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media are indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .
12:26 PM on 08/18/2009
Dah! Please tell us something new. How about that the Repugni-con Party are field marshalls for the financial corporate crime syndicate and are being subsidized by the corporate neo-fascist elites who are afraid of losing their power and control over working class Americans who are no longer borrowing money from them which was the way their got rich! And Obama has failed as the Democratic president. He should just resign now, and let Biden take over. It couldn't be any worse.

http://eye-on-washington.blogspot.com
02:57 PM on 08/18/2009
Just keep chanting that. He's no failure, though, Bub. Obama's keeping us away from the Abyss. Obama is a success - BUSH was a failure. Got thousands of our soldiers killed for nothing. NOTHING.
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plaidsportcoat
12:21 PM on 08/18/2009
"While it was once widely assumed that the President would draft his 13-million-strong campaign apparatus to health care reform's cause, so far it has been conservative groups that have dominated the dialogue."

If he does not turn this around, this country is going to the fascists in the town halls thanks to him and his lousy organizing skills. I know better organizers than him in my own TOWN, for gosh sakes. He spent all his capital on winning the race, then hired a bunch of Bush related people, like Orszag, Summers, Geithner.
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scrzbill
Liberal veteran
12:12 PM on 08/18/2009
Fascism. The interest of the corporations are vested in place of the people. The right believes and supports the rights of the insurance companies over the rights of the people. Nothing new for republicans.
12:40 PM on 08/18/2009
false, the right can see tyranny in this single payer government run debacle. Everything the government touches turns into a bankrupt inefficient nightmare - Do you lefties have Stockholm syndrome? - you seem to love the same people who take advantage of you.
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scrzbill
Liberal veteran
12:52 PM on 08/18/2009
Explain what the single payer option?
Explain what is the government option?
Does your insurance company pre-exclude any care?
Are there caps on your coverage?
Do you pay more for insurance as a single payer than as a member of a corporation?
That is really funny that you accuse me of the same thing the right does to its supporters. Do you really think republicans have any interest in health care reform? When they had the majority in congress and had the president, was there any health care reform?
Do birthers know how to do anything but lie and distort? What is the tyranny of making insurance companies responsible to the people? You cannot answer my questions. Like the party of no, no agenda, no answers, no solutions, no leaders, no truth.
01:58 PM on 08/18/2009
A bankrupt inefficient nightmare?
Now, just because the GOP screws everything up when they are in power doesn't mean that the Democrats will. In fact, we've become very proficient at cleaning up your messes.
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Horus45
Liberal Activist, anti-Fascist
11:55 AM on 08/18/2009
"Those folks never voted for any of my colleagues on this side and wont vote for folks on my side in the next election. They are mad that they lost the last election. They didn't vote for Barack Obama. They will never vote for Barack Obama and they won't vote for Barack Obama's friend."

And that is it in a nutshell!