Pollster Behind Controversial Public Option Poll Has Long Ties To Insurance Industry

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First Posted: 08-19-09 12:45 PM   |   Updated: 09-19-09 05:12 AM

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The Republican half of the bipartisan team of pollsters behind a new, controversial poll on health care has longstanding ties to the health insurance industry that critics say biased the results.

An NBC/Wall Street Journal poll released on Tuesday, authored by Republican pollster Bill McInturff and Democratic pollster Peter Hart, showed a majority of respondents opposing a public option for insurance coverage. McInturff is one of the most respected pollsters in Washington, and his work is often treated as straightforward and honest. But the pollsters' decision to alter the language of their August survey has raised the eyebrows of industry observers.

Instead of asking whether people should be given a choice between a public and private plan -- as NBC/WSJ had done in its June 2009 survey -- the pollsters dropped the word "choice" in their July and August polls. In its place they asked whether people favored or opposed creating a public plan to compete with private insurers. Whereas two months ago, 76 percent of respondents said they felt it was either extremely or quite important to have a public option, in August that number was down to 43 percent.

"I think it's a very big deal to drop the word," said Wendell Potter, a former vice president at the insurance giant CIGNA. "This has been a strategy the industry has had for many years. They ask questions in many ways, knowing the way they are asking the questions will skew the result. Dropping the word choice is very important. It plays into some of the fears some of the people have been hearing lately, that the government would leave them without an option."

As Potter pointed out, McInturff has done extensive work on behalf of America's Health Insurance Plans (AHIP) -- a major reform opponent. His firm, Public Opinion Strategies, played a leading role in crafting the industry's message and "voter empowerment" programs during the 2004 election. He himself has done fieldwork on AHIP's behalf and lists the insurance giant as a health care client. His work for AHIP, Potter says, extends back more than a decade.

"I think absolutely [McInturff's] work would be influenced," Potter said. "It's difficult not having a bias working for the industry. He knows a lot about word choice, he knows a lot about word choices the industry would want to use."

McInturff could not immediately return a request for comment, but said he'd have a response later in the day. In a statement on Tuesday night both he and Hart said that the "only agenda that we have is to accurately measure changes in public opinion."

Contemporaries of McInturff said that while his reputation as a pollster was outstanding, it was valid to look critically at his clientele. Along those lines, Hart Research has done work on behalf of a host of unions who support the public option, including the AFL-CIO, American Federation of State, County, & Municipal Employees, and the Service Employees International Union.

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"Both McIntruff and Hart are always hugely conflicted in terms of partisan clients but almost always in opposite directions," said Democratic pollster Mark Blumenthal. "The long standing assumption is that each serves as a check on the other."

The debate sparked by McInturff and Hart's decision to drop the word "choice" from their survey extends well beyond questions of conflict of interests. Progressive proponents of health care reform insist that the change unfairly prejudiced the results.

"Poll after poll shows that large majorities of Americans support reform that offers a choice of a public health insurance plan or private insurance," said Celinda Lake, the president of Lake Research Partners. "In fact, Americans strongly support having that choice rather than access to only private insurance. Choice is a key value."

Even conservative pollsters -- while arguing that "choice" should never have been included in the survey in the first place -- acknowledged that switching the language likely had an effect.

"Absolutely," said Michael Maslansky, CEO of Luntz, Maslansky Strategic Research. "Effectively, in the first question they asked people if it was important to have a choice. That was the end of the question for all intents and purposes. People like choice. Most people likely didn't even value the back half of the question."

"To the core question of whether or not the use of the word choice matters, I think they made the right decision to drop it," he added.

In an appearance on MSNBC Tuesday afternoon, NBC News's White House Correspondent Chuck Todd echoed Maslanksy's remarks, arguing that "if you add the word 'choice' it can bias a poll question."

But some non-partisan experts on polling argue that the issue is not so cut and dried. While the wording the pollsters used may have been a suitable replacement for "choice," changing the language now would make it much harder to accurately chart the evolution of opinion towards the public option.

"Everybody is right," said Barry Sussman, editor of the Nieman Watchdog Project and a former Washington Post polling director. "First off, these surveys are not exact parallels, and they should be. But the second version of the question is not exactly unfair.

"The word 'choice' in the poll is like a trigger word. It draws people in. It just calls for support. Even if it wasn't valid [to include it], it would draw more support. But, in this case," Sussman said, "it is valid."

UPDATE: Chuck Todd writes in to note that McInturff's clients also include AARP, which has been generally supportive of Obama's health agenda. For the sake of complete transparency, McInturff's website lists the following health care clients, many of whom are critical of a public option.

The American Hospital Association, the Association of American Medical Colleges, the Blue Cross Blue Shield Association, America's Health Insurance Plans, the Kaiser Family Foundation, Pfizer, Inc., and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. His work on behalf of Health Insurance Association of America included conducting the message and advertising testing for their series of 'Harry and Louise' television commercials, called by Advertising Age "among the best conceived and executed public affairs advertising programs in history.

FURTHER UPDATE: McInturff writes in to stress that both he and Hart dropped the word "choice" back in July, not the current survey. "This means anyone had roughly three weeks prior to this survey to have expressed concern about this question language," he writes. "They did not."

As such, McInturff says, the trend data should be looked at differently. In July, 46 percent of the public said it would favor "a public health care plan administered by the federal government that would compete directly with private health insurance companies." Now the number is 43 percent.

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- newhouse1 I'm a Fan of newhouse1 64 fans permalink
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Polls and facts are stubborn things. Inferences are what are always to be drawn from samplings, and inferences become the dynamic. So, if for example, you polled and concluded that you had a 60% chance of success in getting to the moon, it is a hard fact that you also have a 40% chance of failure. The question then becomes:

1. does that failure risk outweigh the outcome of at least attempting something based on the 60% success likelihood, or

2. can you do things that mitigate/reduce the failure potential to something less than 40%, or

3. do you exercise a third option of not attempting success or risking failure (do nothing).

Believing a properly framed question on a matter with the implications of healthcare in the US can be invalid because of party affiliation is a ruse. A percentage point one way or the other, but everyone not directly tied to the insurance industry in America has a stake in fixing the healthcare to deal with daunting costs and access. That's indisputable.

A properly framed argument for a "choice" of a public option as a hedge against spiraling costs will have universal polling appeal, versus doing nothing, regardless of party affiliation. Arguing solely on the basis of the failure risk, without stipulating an amount of risk that would allow you to move forward is just plain silly. Stalemate. Fiddling while Rome burns. Stepping over dollars to pick up pennies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 08/21/2009

masanf I'm a Fan of masanf I'm a fan of this user 6 fans permalink
This poll is only "controversial" because one side doesn't like the outcome. There is no controversy here, except for the one being invented on this site. This poll proves that when over half your sample is not Democrats and people actually know what Obamacare is all about that they don't want it. But hey, go ahead making fools of yourself by claiming this poll is controversial simply because you don't like the results. Every other poll out there shows either a majority or plurality of voters do not want Obamacare. I guess those must be controversial too, right?

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Once again, you're right masanf.
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- + Ascoli I'm a Fan of Ascoli I'm a fan of this user 7 fans permalink
I guess the 'majority or plurality' of voters are.......­­.........­.­......st­up­id.
THAT'S the scary outcome of this poll.
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Bright, you are, Ascoli. Your thoughts echoes my sentiments regarding the Presidential Election. The results are equally "stupid", and still "scary"

Dennis

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 08/20/2009

+ michaela75662 I'm a Fan of michaela75662 I'm a fan of this user permalink
Surprise! The Bushies/Re­­geanites/­N­ixonians are entrenched EVERYWHERE!

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Why should one be surprised??

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 08/20/2009

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Dropping Public Option is Political suicide for the Obama and the Democrats, I think the topd advisers to Obama or the Top commite that setup the agenda for democrats are GOP operatives setting up traps for every Democratic president , this happened as far as President Carter.
they convice them to try to appease the right (who will vote against them not matter what they do) and push away their base.
they end up with loosing the next election.
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"That" is the intended, ultimate result, to win the next Congressional elections.
As Rahm Emanuel preaches, '"never let a crisis go to waste"

Dennis

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 08/20/2009

Surprise! The Bushies/Re­geanites/N­ixonians are entrenched EVERYWHERE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 08/20/2009
- kgb999 I'm a Fan of kgb999 19 fans permalink

Just like in the election .... they massage the polls to create the media narrative they would like to see.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 08/20/2009
- nomobull I'm a Fan of nomobull 45 fans permalink
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exactly

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 08/20/2009
- Caldog1 I'm a Fan of Caldog1 2 fans permalink

Contact Senator Max Baucus (D) ......MAKE YOUR VOICE BE LOUD AND CLEAR.....CALL ALL THE NUMBER ON THIS LIST
I DID CALL ALL OF THEM MYSELF, AND LET SENATER BAUCUS MY MESSAGE!!!!
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 08/20/2009

Charming. I read a story about the poll that didn't mention the "credentials" of the pollster. So. Does he do "round the world"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 08/20/2009

And Cliniton and Gore have long standing ties to making money in oil. Edwards has long standing ties making money suing the medical industry. Johnson made money from Vietnam due to his wife's connections. William Jefferson in LA has long ties to just taking tax payer dollars. There isn't a soul in politics that isn't corrupted in some way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 08/20/2009
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What is going on with the media in this healthcare debate? So often they do not take the time to dispute or clarify the total exaggerations and downright lies being told by their guests. Do they not have a good grasp of the issues?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 AM on 08/20/2009
- romavictor I'm a Fan of romavictor 21 fans permalink
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There is a death panel in America right now. It's consist of 40 upper and 178 lower house republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 AM on 08/20/2009
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Ah yes, the Republican Death Panel.... Has a nice ring to it.... Fits the Right-Wing Fanatics perfectly!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 AM on 08/20/2009
- bbrecht I'm a Fan of bbrecht 18 fans permalink
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Deathers!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 08/20/2009
- lastpost I'm a Fan of lastpost 27 fans permalink

Does the pollster concerned think that, the phrasing of questions contributes to unpardonable distortion of the outcome?
Or only, unacceptable distortion of the outcome?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 AM on 08/20/2009
- Tom95134 I'm a Fan of Tom95134 54 fans permalink
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Obviously, you simply don't understand the significance is the way a poll it taken and the questions phrased on the outcome of the poll. Pollsters have known for years that by making subtile changes in the question or by making slight changes in where you take th epoll have a major change in the results.

In this instance, including the word "choice" in the question may imply that it is an "either/or" situation when, in fact, a public option may co-exist with private insurance. Sometimes it's hard to tell what the impact on a poll the choice of words may have.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 08/20/2009


How the NY Times/CBS News asked the question in late June:

Would you favor or oppose the government's offering everyone a government administered health insurance plan like Medicare that would compete with private health insurance plans?

Results:

All respondents 72% favor; 20% oppose; 7% no opinion
Republicans 50% favor; 39% oppose; 11% no opinion
Democrats 87% favor; 9% oppose; 4% no opinion
Independents 73% favor; 22% oppose; 4% no opinion

(margin of error: 3 pts.)

This is the definitive poll, as far as I'm concerned. All polls taken after June are suspect. As Mike Malloy says about the media: They're all w.h.o.r.e.s -- no offense to s.e.x workers.

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2009/06/21/health/policy/21poll_graphic_ready.html


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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 AM on 08/20/2009

Thank you Project4. I bet none of "the media" will mention your clarification, because it would make them look dishonest. Thank you, HuffPo, for the forum.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 AM on 08/20/2009
- randakost I'm a Fan of randakost 27 fans permalink
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I agree. Asking all this before the scare tactics and spin is the right way to look at it. How many people would have favored invading Iraq BEFORE 9/11? There was no reason to do so and if you'd asked people on September 10th, it would never have flown. There was still no reason to do so later, but people had been scared to death and were ready to do anything the president asked. If health care doesn't pass and they do that exact same poll again next year, I guarantee you the results will be the same.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 AM on 08/20/2009
- TopProf I'm a Fan of TopProf 7 fans permalink

In the update it was said that AARP is also a client of the pollster. Chuck said this as if it made the pollster unbiased. But please, AARP IS , essentially, a rather substantial insurance company, not some neutral entity or spokesperson for the interests of old people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 08/20/2009


AARP makes big money by pushing various insurance policies on its members. The biggest joke is the "supplemental" Medicare insurance.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 AM on 08/20/2009
- euthman I'm a Fan of euthman 44 fans permalink
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The pollsters created two different polls with two different questions, which is perfectly OK. The problem came when the credulous, uncritical media compared apples to oranges and reported that the polls indicate that the people's desire for a public option had slipped. The only way to legitimately make that claim is if the same question had been asked in both polls.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 08/19/2009

exactly, euthman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 AM on 08/20/2009
- kgb999 I'm a Fan of kgb999 19 fans permalink

Maybe it's OK, but it is absolutely useless for trending public opinion .... which in polling land really makes it pretty much useless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 08/20/2009
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