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Transportation Secretary: 'Cash For Clunkers' Won't Run Much Longer

KEN THOMAS and DAN STRUMPF   08/19/09 09:02 PM ET   AP

Cash For Clunkers

WASHINGTON — Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood assured car dealers Wednesday that they will be reimbursed for sales made under the Cash for Clunkers program and said the department would soon offer plans to wind down the popular car incentives.

LaHood said the department will announce by Friday how it intends to discontinue the program that offers car buyers rebates of $3,500 to $4,500 for trading in older vehicles and buying new, more fuel-efficient models. Department officials met with car dealer trade groups on Wednesday to discuss complaints over a backlog of rebate payments to dealers and how the program will eventually end.

"I know dealers are frustrated. They're going to get their money," LaHood told reporters.

Through early Wednesday, auto dealers have made deals worth $1.81 billion and are on pace to exhaust the program's $3 billion in funds in early September. The incentives have generated more than 435,000 vehicle sales but with the funds dissipating, LaHood said the Obama administration would soon announce how much longer the car incentive program will last.

"We want to make sure that dealers know when we're getting close to (running out of) the money that we have been allocated," LaHood said.

LaHood was responding to complaints from dealers, who must cover the customer rebates out of pocket and wait for reimbursement from the federal government. Some dealers have said their reimbursement requests have not yet been approved, leading to a cash crunch, a critical issue because they typically borrow money to put new cars on their lots and must repay those loans within just a few days of a sale.

A group representing New York metro dealerships said Wednesday that hundreds of its members have withdrawn from Cash for Clunkers, citing delays in getting reimbursed. Other dealership groups across the country said their members have stopped extending new clunkers deals out of fear they will be repaid late or not at all.

The National Automobile Dealers Association said its trade group met with Transportation Department officials to discuss dealer concerns about reimbursement delays under the program and ways of fixing the problems. NADA spokesman Charles Cyrill said the association "stressed the importance of addressing – as soon as possible – how the program will end, including the possible suspension of the program."

Many dealers have expressed concerns about the program. The Greater New York Automobile Dealers Association, which represents dealerships in the New York metro area, said about half its 425 members have left the program because they cannot afford to offer more rebates.

"(The government) needs to move the system forward and they need to start paying these dealers," said Mark Schienberg, the group's president. "This is a cash-dependent business." Schienberg said the group's dealers have been repaid for only about 2 percent of the clunkers deals they've made so far.

Melanie Bible, spokeswoman for the Pennsylvania Automotive Association, also said about half of the state's 950 dealerships have stopped cutting new Cash for Clunkers deals. She said the figure is anecdotal, since no formal survey of dealers has been conducted.

The financial arms of several automakers have begun offering help to cash-strapped dealerships, in some cases by floating loans to help cover clunker-related shortfalls. Toyota Financial Services is offering loans to dealers for up to 60 days to cover the lag between a dealership's payment and its reimbursement. The financial-services arms of Honda Motor Co., Nissan Motor Co., Ford Motor Co. and other automakers are offering similar programs.

The government's online reimbursement system was flooded with reimbursement requests shortly after the program began in late July, overwhelming the computer system and staff set up to process the deals. That led to big delays for dealers trying to file the paperwork they needed to get paid back for the rebates.

LaHood said some of the submitted paperwork has been incomplete or inaccurate, leading to delays. He acknowledged the Transportation Department did not have enough people to process the paperwork but said the DOT was ramping up staff.

DOT said earlier this week it was tripling its work force to handle the rebates and expected to have 1,100 workers dealing with the paperwork by the end of the week.

Michelle Primm, managing partner of a four-franchise dealership in Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio, said her store has stopped making deliveries on clunkers purchases until the sales are approved by the federal government.

Primm said her dealership has made 31 clunkers deals since the program was launched last month, but has only been paid for 3. She said she doesn't want to extend any more rebates unless she knows she is getting paid.

"I've got payroll and I've got taxes to pay and all those things," she said. "We're small."

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Dan Strumpf reported from New York.

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03:41 PM on 08/20/2009
I'm sure things will be different once our doctors start sending their bills to the govt.

Yet another great boondoggle from our elected representatives. Let's do a thought experiment. We'll pretend that I'm a private person with $100 in my pocket. I get robbed at the point of a gun and the robber steals my money and goes and spends it. Has there been a net change in the amount of money spent in the economy? The answer is no, whether I spend the $100 or the robber spends the $100 there has still only been $100 spent. The govt does the same thing when it acts beyond the powers we gave it under the Constitution. At least the robber is up front that he is robbing you whereas the govt tells us it is for our own good.
04:19 PM on 08/20/2009
"I'm sure things will be different once our doctors start sending their bills to the govt. "
In the years my wife worked as a medical receptionist, it wasn't the government she spent her time arguing with for reimbursement or denial of treatment.

"The govt does the same thing when it acts beyond the powers we gave it under the Constitution."
Your example is covered by the 16th Amendment.

Generally, I see a choice, Reagan defense spending or domestic spending, either creates a deficit. The end result of defense spending is we sink ships for reefs, push jets off the end of flight decks, and fight court battles over incinerating our bio-wep stores. End result of domestic spending, is restoring Eisenhower's infrastructure so interstate commerce can still take place and there's incentives for purchases or upgrades of products. Either way its wealth distribution.
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04:39 PM on 08/20/2009
the govt certainly has the power to take our money in the form of income tax but what I was referring to is what part of the Constitution gives Congress the power to spend our money in this way? Article 1 section 8 outlines what our Congress can spend our money on, cash for clunkers under any interpretation didn't make the list.
03:17 PM on 08/20/2009
I have at least a couple of friends who took advantage of the program. Good that it is being suspended for a while so they can catch up on paperwork and see how much money is left and give the dealers a chance to restock. The deal should only be for a limited time as with any deal. I have applied for rebates from private companies and waited several months for them so what is the difference.
02:58 PM on 08/20/2009
Good. Never was too fond of the idea that my tax money's going to buy other people brand new cars. Not that the program was ever an option for me. Even I wanted to use it, I can't afford payments.

Way to subsidize the upper-middle class, there, champ.
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Eisenhower Rep. The 1% started class warfare.
03:18 PM on 08/20/2009
Same can be said for any government spending. I don't see why I should have to fund the military.

Those cars purchased keep people working. It is a much better use of our money then giving halliburton bid free contracts to build useless things.
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05:06 PM on 08/20/2009
The people working for Haliburton are what volunteers? Those jobs aren't valid?
05:49 PM on 08/20/2009
you are apparently ill-informed on what precisely halliburton does.
06:17 PM on 08/20/2009
That's absolutely good idea!
http://biz.clush.com/ToddDiRoberto
10:59 AM on 08/20/2009
Isn't he a Republican?
05:50 PM on 08/20/2009
Relevance?
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1088
10:25 AM on 08/20/2009
Thanks President Obama! I purchased a new car with my uptick 401k! Pontiac VIBE thank you!
11:06 AM on 08/20/2009
Unless you are retired, you've missed the entire point of a 401k
12:52 PM on 08/20/2009
thats ok. Its a free country. People have a right to act against their own interests. Its not mine or your job to fix their errors either :)
08:49 PM on 08/20/2009
401k's will soon be confiscated to help fund Socilaist Security.
05:50 PM on 08/20/2009
and why did you do that?
10:07 AM on 08/20/2009
All they have to do is fill out the freaking paperwork. Why haven't the dealers hired folks to fill out the paperowork.
11:08 AM on 08/20/2009
The dealers can only do their end of the paperwork, not the government's portion.
09:41 AM on 08/20/2009
Gee, it was supposed to last until NOVEMBER and only cost a BILLION dollars.

It now spent THREE billion dollars, and didn't see September.

Can anyone remind me why they think these people can run healthcare more efficiently?
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1088
10:22 AM on 08/20/2009
Medicare, VA , Social Security, Post Office, I can continue to go on forever!
11:06 AM on 08/20/2009
Did you miss that the USPS and Social Security have admitted they are insolvent/bankrupt? Medicare and VA are lousy programs compared to private and are headed there - they just haven't admitted it yet.
09:18 AM on 08/20/2009
Just 2 weeks ago the Dems were touting this program as the greatest thing since sliced bread and they rammed through more money to subsidize buyers of new cars Now they are touting how they are ending this same program Do you get the feeling they are all asleep at the switch
09:35 AM on 08/20/2009
The money allocated for the program is nearly gone, that's why it's ending. How is that being asleep at the switch? The only problem is the guy in charge, LaHood (a Republican btw), is not getting the money to the dealers.
10:05 AM on 08/20/2009
Why does everything turn into a Dems/Repubs are bad argument? Here is the program. It runs until its out of money or the end of September. It's not super-streamlined because you don't put together an extremely complicated organization for a program that only lasts a few months. The fact that it runs out of money just means people want to take part in the program. Using the C.A.R.S. program for a Democrats vs Republicans argument based on how well it is organized is stupid. Do you really think it would matter which party had run it? The only valid Dems vs Repubs question is whether or not the program was a good idea, who designed it, and who voted for it. Neither party produces especially efficient government workers vs the other.
11:09 AM on 08/20/2009
It was out of money in a few days - they just threw twice as much at it again.
05:51 PM on 08/20/2009
These giveaways will produce a temporary boost. But when the giveaways give way, there is nothing left. Does the guy who bought a car with government cash in 2009 buy another one in 2010? Does the fellow who brought his mortgage up to date with a tax rebate in 2008 go out and buy a new house in 2009?

“The problems are real... at the heart of the real economy. They are not problems that can be solved by monkeying with the money supply, interest rates or even fiscal policy. They are problems that need to be solved by the real economy... in the real economy... by consumers, who need to pay off their debts, and by businessmen, who need to adjust to the realities of the real world -- adapting their capacity so as to produce things for people who can actually afford to buy them. It's a long process... with many bankruptcies and disappointments along the way.

“That process has only just begun. It will deepen and get worse, as both consumers and businessmen realize that there will be no quick recovery... and no return to the old model -- ever. Look for more layoffs... more foreclosures... more cutbacks and workouts.”
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09:17 AM on 08/20/2009
We all paid 2002 through 2005 to basically let rich business men get "free" after taxes XL SUV'S but nobody complained then. And you people complaining that C4C wasn't energy efficient enough? Bush's program #1 buy? HUMMERS

The program was finally shut down after Bush TRIPLED the amout on a SUV to 100,000 and Government watch dogs found that the recipiants were not businesses that had to haul heavy loads but paper pushers like Doctors, Lawyers, Accountants and Stock Brokers.

The program was highly sold to the wealthy because it made a huge tax break for them and they were able to write the entire cost of the SUV off.

Dealerships reported that at least a third of their XL SUV sales were for Bush's cash for clunkers.

Bush's Rich folks SUV write off is what got us into the SUV debacle. For every Soccer mom driving around by herself in a big ole SUV you can thank President Bush AND the Republican majority houses at the time as NONE fought this program.

But helping a regular citizen who's been responsible and kept his car going for well over 10 years is wrong to help then get a modest efficient car?

Ya'll have your priorities f ed up badly.
09:21 AM on 08/20/2009
I'd rather have my kids and wife ride around in whatever vehicle WE decide WE want and can afford. I will NOT have them in a "smart car" or some other little crap box.
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10:02 AM on 08/20/2009
what utter BS-there are MANY different cars to chose from-you sound like a neanderthal.
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08:41 AM on 08/26/2009
Don't forget your "Bars and Stars" bumper sticker.
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09:27 AM on 08/20/2009
A 2004 article about Bush's tax loophole:

http://4wheeldrive.about.com/cs/90wranglerrides/a/aa041403a.htm

"With their recent rise in popularity, accountants have been advising more and more of their clients to take advantage of this loophole in the law. The tax break applies specifically to small business owners — including doctors, lawyers, financial advisers, real estate agents, and independent contractors — who buy a truck or SUV for business purposes. Thus, the deduction is legal whether the vehicle is used to haul seven construction workers, 3,000 pounds of plumbing tools, or one certified public accountant. The main requirement is that the buyer uses their SUV more than 50% of the time in their business.

So, for example, last year a business owner could deduct $25,000 outright off the cost of a new SUV. Under Bush's economic stimulus package (which became law last year) the purchaser got an extra 30% bonus deduction off the balance of the sticker price. Subtract another 20% a year in depreciation over five years, and business owners who purchased SUVs already got a hefty tax write-off. Now, Bush wants to increase the small business deduction from $25,000 to $75,000.

In fact, raising the cap on business equipment to $75,000 will make it possible to write off the entire cost of most SUVs (including the Hummer H2 - MSRP $49,270 and BMW X5 - MSRP $40,195) in the first year. Others, like the Hummer H1 will be practically free to the business owner."
08:57 AM on 08/20/2009
Bawney Fwank said that the Cwash for Cwunkers Pwogwam was a wesounding success!

Hooway!!!!!!!!!!
09:13 AM on 08/20/2009
Nice....
09:15 AM on 08/20/2009
Barney Frank thinks? hes a hero but hes actually a big ZERO.
Barney Frank is delusional, blames everybody else except himself.

Apparently Barney doesn't think that buying a $500,000 home with no money down? is leverage.
Show me a stock broker that lets you buy stocks with no money down.
09:19 AM on 08/20/2009
Uh the market was full of stock brokers who did that. They let other stock brokers do it as well as the mortage lenders.
08:38 AM on 08/20/2009
I got a better idea than giving my money to someone to buy a new car.

Lets get the census people out and make sure that everyone over the age of 18 has:

a house
2 cars (high mpg)
at least 1 pet (either dog or cat)
4 televisions (the new energy efficient LED ones)
cell phone (I phone)
microwave
health insurance
lots of food
private school for their kids (with a healthy lunch)
2 vacations per year (location of their choosing)

If they don't lets just give it to them - even the ones who broke into this country illegally.
Job not required since every thing is free. Just wondering who is going to mow my yard.
09:01 AM on 08/20/2009
"In order to show the country what is wrong, you must do what's wrong to prove you're right" ~ Stephen Colbert
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Eisenhower Rep. The 1% started class warfare.
03:21 PM on 08/20/2009
Health insurance is considered a right in modern nations.
10:19 PM on 08/20/2009
You have the right to pay for your own health insurance
08:19 AM on 08/20/2009
So much for the boon to the auto industry. Back to struggling to survive.
09:43 AM on 08/20/2009
Let them die...that's how capitalism is supposed to work.
07:03 AM on 08/20/2009
Why am I paying for someone else to buy a new car?
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nationalhealth
07:09 AM on 08/20/2009
Why am I paying someone's tax break so that they can give money to a church/ Why am I paying taxes to prop up Banks, Why am I paying tax money so that Iraq can have single payer health insurance?

Why am I paying tax money for roads when I walk?

Please don't answer, these questions are rhetorical.
07:36 AM on 08/20/2009
You don't pay for anyone's tax break on charity - it merely lowers their tax. Bank bailouts - didn't agree with them. Iraq - why hasn't Obama pulled all the troops out? Why is he adding troops in Afghanistan? Roads are infrastructure. This is the taxpayer buying someone personal property. I pay taxes and use roads and pay tolls. Why isn't the gov't kicking in $4500 for my mortgage?

Of course they are rhetorical - that's what people do when they can't stand to hear the answers.
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If I had known I would live this long.........
08:03 AM on 08/20/2009
Why am I paying Medicare Tax?
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07:29 AM on 08/20/2009
There are numerous reasons and benefits. One, because we are attempting to jump start a stagnant economy and this is getting low mileage, high polluting vehicles off the road. This will help our environment and reduce the amount of foreign oil we import, thereby keeping more money in the US, and reducing the amount of money going to foreign nations who fund terrorism against us.
Of all the programs out there right now, this one is covers a lot of terrain. The federal government's job is to protect us from foreign threats, (Military), keep the economy stable and protect the health of it's citizens. This program does all of these things.
08:13 AM on 08/20/2009
"jump start" implies starting it right up - That is not happening.
the federal government's job is-

a. to protect it's citizens from foreign threats
b. to provide a form of currency
c. to lay down a basic set of laws

Not take my money and give it to joe schmoe to buy the new car that he probably was going to buy anyway.

Don't tax you, don't tax me, tax the man behind the tree.
06:47 AM on 08/20/2009
Reimbursement delays? How about the dealers filling out the paperwork properly so we can easily make sure there is as little fraud as possible. A few weeks are not too long, we wait eight weeks for a tax refund and if you do it electronically, it takes three. Try getting a refund directly from your credit card company in a check. It takes 2 months. Plus I am sure those that say they are abandoning the rebate are either frauds to begin with or marginal business people at the least.
07:31 AM on 08/20/2009
Sounds like your knowledge of running a business is zero.
08:09 AM on 08/20/2009
LOL. You mean I like to have a month's expenses in advance? Please. Understanding that I might not get paid for a month or two is Business 101.
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08:42 AM on 08/20/2009
Obviously you have no clue about business. If you can't wait a month or two to get money on a receivable and can't fill out a simple form correctly you shouldn't be in business in the first place.
06:41 AM on 08/20/2009
The only way you're going to measure the success of this program is to watch the auto sales in the coming months. The increase in sales (now) will probably be a trade off for a decrease in sales down the line. People who were potential future buyers were encouraged to buy now rather than wait several months or a year....while this is great for the short term, the long term effects could perhaps be more negative.

The program also was only beneficial to those who took part in it. Many will ultimately end up paying into the system to cover the costs for this program, but not everyone is going to receive benefit (kind of like the younger generations paying into a Social Security system that will most likely not be there when they retire). It only cost several billion dollars...that may not be much by today's standards, but perhaps the time has come that we should reconsider the debt, speculate and inflate standards that this country has.
07:11 AM on 08/20/2009
Our local paper said the dealerships are benefitting from sales that are both within and outside the program. It has gotten people on the lot, and they aren't all there to trade in their clunkers.

There are a lot of government programs we pay for, but may not get the benefit of. If you are elderly or childless you pay taxes for schools that you aren't benefitting from. It is the way life works.
07:37 AM on 08/20/2009
No, it's not the way life works. Roads are infrastructure - paid for by all and available for use by all. This is the govt' buying personal property for citizens.
07:34 AM on 08/20/2009
The banks ( that do the floor plan lending to the car dealers ) are like payday lenders. Every week they want their money and to review the sales data or else they threaten to seize all of the inventory and to shut down the car dealer. I'm aware of a few dealerships last year who were shut down by their floor plan lender. The floor plan lender then sold the new and used vehicles at wholesale auction and maybe got 65% of the wholesale value. Unfortunately, to survive in business these days, you need money (cash flow) to make new sales.
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09:24 AM on 08/20/2009
Very true. I was in the auto business years ago, and cash flow was essential to keeping the doors open. Flooring plans are exorbitant, especially when no one is coming on the lot. The cash crunch that dealers are experiencing is because they have been on the ropes for months because of a lack of demand and credit for buyers, not because the government is slow on its payables. Far more dealers would go under without this program.