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Budget Buster: Kent Conrad's Long Opposition To The Public Option

First Posted: 09/21/09 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 02:50 PM ET

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Kent Conrad, the Democratic Senator who declared the public health insurance option dead on Sunday, portrays his activism on behalf of health insurance cooperatives as the conscripted service of a pragmatic warrior.

The public option, he has said over and over, just doesn't have the 60 votes he thinks are needed to overcome a filibuster in the Senate.

The accuracy of that supposed whip-count aside, Conrad's opposition to offering consumers a government-run alternative to private insurance companies goes deeper than political pragmatism.

Though he has refused to take a public position on the matter, in private meetings with colleagues and staff dating back to the beginning of the year, Conrad has repeatedly expressed his opposition to a public option, four top Democratic aides who've sat in meetings with him told the Huffington Post.

Conrad, they say, sees the public option as a dangerous expansion of federal responsibility for health care spending. "His position seems based on ideology more than practicality," said one of the aides.

Without fundamental changes to the health care system, Conrad sees the public option as unable to reduce the cost of health care. The argument by proponents of the public option that a government-run alternative within the insurance market would drive that fundamental change and help push health costs lower apparently doesn't hold any water with him.

Instead, he has presented a vague proposal to create health insurance cooperatives as an alternative.

But if it were up to Conrad, the Senate wouldn't be talking co-ops, public option or health care reform in 2009 at all, the aides say. The focus on health care runs afoul of his singular and career-long devotion to cutting the federal deficit.

The more responsible move, Conrad has argued behind closed doors, would have been to straighten out the budget first and then work on a health care overhaul. President Obama's position is that the budget can't be fixed without controlling health care costs -- and Conrad has been dragged along.

Conrad's fixation on federal spending is legendary; it's easy to imagine him waking in a cold sweat in the middle of the night, praying that those Medicare cost projections were only a nightmare.

And it is his fear of runaway spending that has made him extremely cautious in his approach to health care negotiations. Conrad has been a consistent and loud voice on the Finance Committee -- and within the bipartisan "Gang of Six" -- pushing a go-slow approach.

He has repeatedly rejected deadlines with the mantra that "we'll be ready when we're ready." He fought against the Democratic leadership's attempt to include language in the budget that would allow health care reform to be achieved using the reconciliation process, which only requires a simple majority rather than 60 votes. He lost that fight, but was able to make it much harder to pull off the legislative maneuver by insisting on a five year window rather than ten -- meaning any changes achieved through reconciliation will lapse in five years and need to be renewed.

And when the White House put out its health care proposal with a five-year timeline, Conrad insisted on using a ten-year frame. That's why we're talking about a $1 trillion price tag rather than a $500 billion one. The real-world difference is negligible -- the two scenarios are the same -- but the trillion dollar figure increases the political focus on costs.

At a July 16th Budget Committee hearing, he argued against expanding health care coverage if it raised the debt, emphasizing that "[w]ithout fundamental changes in the organization and delivery of care, expanding health insurance coverage will worsen the nation's long-term budget outlook."

Conrad worked early on to make the deficit the year's top priority. One of the first supporters of Obama's presidential candidacy, Conrad pushed the new administration to hold a summit on fiscal responsibility as one of his first official events, angering progressives who saw it as undermining an agenda that might need to rely on increasing the deficit in the short term.

His deficit concerns go way back. When a 38-year-old Conrad first ran for the Senate in 1986, he made a pledge that would define his career: If the federal deficit increased while he was in office, he wouldn't run for reelection.

It was quintessential Conrad, telegraphing both his ambition and his (wildly misplaced) sense of what a freshman senator could accomplish in office. But when the red ink kept running, his response was equally telling. Instead of merely breaking his pledge, Conrad ran for the state's other Senate seat -- vacated by former Sen. Quentin Burdick, who had died in office. It wasn't, after all, technically in violation of his promise. The deficit pledge only applied to the first post.

Conrad would win a special election in 1992, with his old spot taken over by his mentor, Dorgan. He ran for and won reelection in 1994 -- when a conservative wave wiped most rural Democrats to sea -- and again in 2000 and 2006, with nearly 70 percent of the vote in the most recent tally.

Beyond ideology or pragmatism, however, the North Dakota Democrat has a pocketful of other reasons to oppose a public option. Despite being from a state where campaigns cost a relative pittance, Conrad has found himself the recipient of largess from a host of private actors with interests in the health care debate. Over the course of his career he has received more than $828,000 from insurance companies, $610,000 from health professionals, and $255,000 from pharmaceutical and health product companies, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

In 2009 alone, Conrad has watched industry cash pour in at a high rate, according to a review of FEC filings. His Political Action Committee, DAKPAC, received a $2,500 donation from the American Medical Association; $2,000 donations from the pharmaceutical companies Merck & Company and Eli Lilly; as well as $1,000 donations from Johnson & Johnson, Blue Cross and Blue Shield, American Hospital Association, AstroZeneca, Abbott Laboratories, Boehringer Ingelheim, and the Federation of American Hospitals.

Meanwhile, a slew of prominent industry lobbyists have been donating to Conrad's leadership PAC as well.

• David Castagnetti, of the firm Mehlman Vogel Castagnetti, donated $1,000 to the Senator's PAC. Castagnetti and his firm have been paid $877,500 to lobby on behalf of America's Health Insurance Plans, including $250,000 in 2009 alone. He has also earned $825,000 ($180,000 in 2009) to lobby on behalf of PhRMA.
• Charles Brain, of Capitol Hill Strategies, donated $1,000 to Conrad's PAC. Both he and his firm have been paid $1.4 million to lobby on behalf of PhRMA.
• John Jonas, of the firm Patton Boggs, gave $1,000 to Conrad's PAC. He and his firm have been paid $280,000 to lobby on behalf of American Healthcare Association in 2009, as well as $280,000 by BristolMyers Squibb for lobbying this year alone.
• Brian Griffin, a lobbyist for the Duberstein Group, made a $1,000 donation to Conrad's PAC. He and his firm have earned $300,000 to lobby on behalf of AHIP in 2009, as well as $960,000 overall.
• Michael Levy, a lobbyist for the firm Brownstein, Hyatt, Farber and Schreck, donated $500 to Conrad's PAC. He and his firm have lobbied on behalf of a host of insurance and pharmaceutical companies including United Health Group, for which it was paid $110,000 in 2009.

The money from these private interests is coming in at rates greater than past cycles, even though he isn't up for re-election until 2012. But both the Senator's staff and many other who know him insist that Conrad is a true believer and that the cash doesn't unduly influence him.

"It's actually more philosophical than that," said one senior aide about the connection between Conrad's opposition to a public option and his contributions from the health insurance industry. "He sees skyrocketing deficits. He thinks the number one priority should be cutting deficits by not spending money."

"For anyone who has survived a lecture with him in a private room, these are pretty deeply held beliefs," said one senior Democratic aide who has survived his fair share.

"Conrad is a real master of the material," said longtime strategist Paul Begala. "He is the substance guy. He always has these budget charts. And when I worked in the White House, every single day year round, I would spend one to two hours a day on the budget. It is what you do. That's how you govern. The budget is the nation's destiny. It is the most important document. So in my world, guys like Kent Conrad and [OMB Director Peter] Orszag are sex symbols."

The Senator is certainly well trained for the current role he plays, with a high school diploma from the prestigious Phillips Exeter Academy, a degree from Stanford University and an MBA from George Washington University. It's a background omitted from his official bio, which jumps from junior high to tax commissioner. Still, Conrad has been a budget wonk for decades. After grad school, he became the assistant to the state tax commissioner at the time, a man named Byron Dorgan who would become the junior senator from North Dakota. Conrad succeeded him and became commissioner in 1980.

While Conrad hasn't given up his deficit hawkishness, not all spending has been equal. Conrad quickly spiked Obama's plan to trim nearly $10 billion from the federal budget by cutting farm subsidies. The subsidies are given to wealthy farmers regardless of market conditions and help prop up the North Dakota economy.

The stance on farm subsidies neatly illustrates the paradox that is the conservative Democrat. Typified by House Blue Dogs, the faction claims the mantle of principled, fiscal responsibility. But, in practice, the position is often defined by fealty to the business interests that fund their campaigns or dominate their states.

In Conrad's case, it's difficult not to see how North Dakota affects his approach to health care. Thanks largely to farm subsidies, the state has one of the nation's lowest rates of unemployment and few uninsured people -- under 70,000, according to data from the Kaiser Family Foundation.

Conrad also bases his support for health insurance co-ops in his state's experience, calling it a good example of an efficient and workable system.

And yet, in North Dakota, one insurance provider has near monopolistic dominance, and although it is technically a co-op -- a nonprofit owned by its members -- it hardly serves as an example of best practices. Indeed, Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Dakota raised its insurance premiums 74 percent from 2000 to 2007 and its incoming president commands a salary of somewhere between $500,000 and $750,000.

Before his recent proclamation on Fox News Sunday, Conrad's biggest moment in the health care debate came when, as Budget Committee chairman, he gave a gut punch to Obama's effort to get a bill done before the August recess. At a July 16th hearing, he prompted testimony from Congressional Budget Office chief Doug Elmendorf that mirrors his own concerns.

Conrad had already gotten a letter from Elmendorf in which the director said that the reform proposals he had seen so far -- because of their subsidies for coverage -- would increase the federal responsibility for health care provision.

"I am going to really put you on the spot because we are in the middle of this health care debate, but it is critically important that we get this right," Conrad said in his opening question to Elmendorf. "Everyone has said, virtually everyone, that bending the cost curve over time is critically important and one of the key goals of this entire effort. From what you have seen from the products of the committees that have reported, do you see a successful effort being mounted to bend the long-term cost curve?"

"No, Mr. Chairman," said Elmendorf. "In the legislation that has been reported we do not see the sort of fundamental changes that would be necessary to reduce the trajectory of federal health spending by a significant amount. And on the contrary, the legislation significantly expands the federal responsibility for health care costs."

Elmendorf's answer ignored savings that Democrats insist will come from large parts of the bill, but a media uproar over the testimony erupted anyway, just as Conrad knew it would. The Finance Committee continued to drag its feet, and emboldened Blue Dogs in the House clamped on to the bill hard. Conrad would tell reporters later that day that he knew the essence of what Elmendorf's answer would be and wanted it out there for public exposure.

The Finance Committee's Gang of Six have inched toward Conrad's co-op idea, with Republican Senators Charles Grassley (Iowa) and Mike Enzi (Wyoming) speaking warmly of it. The rest of the Republican caucus has been much less impressed. Indeed, although the push for co-ops is tied to the effort to get bipartisan support for the bill, that's a prospect that aides see as less likely by the day.

When the debate shifts to one between Democrats, the co-op proposal will meet stiff opposition. Advocates of the public approach didn't meet Conrad's proposal kindly. Senator Chuck Schumer, (D-N.Y.) initially said the idea didn't "come close to satisfying anyone who wants a public plan."

Conrad, in response, has tried his hand at political diplomacy. In June, the budget wonk sat down with Schumer to try to merge the two ideas. After the talks, Conrad said a number of points had been agreed on, including allowing the co-ops to have a national structure and to have bargaining power. Schumer, meanwhile, said his hope was to endow the co-ops with enough leverage that they could then use to keep private insurers honest, negotiate lower prices and trim health care costs. Conrad, however, only wanted to appropriate just a few billion dollars in start-up capital for the co-ops, several times less than what Schumer and others say is necessary for them to be competitive with private insurers.

But the more competitive they become, the more the insurance industry, conservative Democrats and the Republican Party object to them as a "Trojan horse" that will destroy private insurance.

Conrad is insulated from reelection pressure in 2010 and comfortable in North Dakota, with its population of less than 650,000. And he sees nothing untoward about a man representing so few people guiding policy for so many.

Indeed, he wouldn't have it any other way. Told in June by the Huffington Post that the largest coalition of health care reform groups opposed his co-op proposal, he couldn't have been less impressed.

"They have no votes on the floor of the United States Senate. And I am dealing with votes in the Finance Committee and the floor of the United States Senate. I am frankly not terribly interested in what these myriad groups all think. I am interested in what people who vote think," Conrad said.

Citizen researcher Lew Okun contributed to this report.


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12:08 AM on 09/16/2009
The eight hundred pound gorilla in the room is the cost of healthcare. Two trillion over 10 years sounds like a lot. That’s about $625 per person per year. I n those terms it doesn’t look like so much anymore. That number includes Medicaid and Medicare recipients. Breaking it down further, we are looking at $1.70 per person per day to generate that $10 trillion over 10 years. If we taxed burgers, fries, cakes, soft drinks, candy, cigarettes, gambling, etc, we could meet that number in a way that even the poorest among us could handle. So all the hyperbole about budget strain seems a bit overdone.

Regardless of the actual costs of healthcare, the answer is still T-A-X-E-S! Reforming health insurance companies is NOT the answer. Their existence depends on attacking the individual rather than the health corporatocracy to curb it’s glut. You'll cave, they won't. They won't give that dynamic up. And who do YOU have as an advocate? If we had a single-payer system, you'd have your Congressman to lodge your complaint. Remember the government is YOU! And YOU have an obligation to question your healthcare provider about the charges. DO IT! It will help.
09:15 PM on 08/23/2009
DON'T START THE REVOLUTION WITHOUT ME

Paid actor politicians running a make believe democracy since 1776, surely any reform of capitalist medicine would cause a violent overthrow of our government.
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04:09 PM on 08/23/2009
Wow! I'm a freedom loving Aussie and I find this paranoia over decent pubic health care amazing.

We've had it for almost 30 years.

I've expounded on this in many of Huffo's threads but let me simply say... America you deserve better, do not believe the Conservative lies.

NB: It took two goes in my country to get universal Medicare established. The Conservatives got rid of it when they got voted back in. The Labor Party re-established it at the next election after that. And although they have undermined it every time they got back into power the Conservatives don't dare try to get rid of it again. What I am getting at here is you have to push HARD for it- it's NOT going to happen through bi-partisanship.
01:27 AM on 08/24/2009
I've inspected the liberal lies and they don't seem to be any better. Thet's where we are, the two party lieing system.
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02:48 AM on 08/24/2009
In this instance the Conservatives have been lying through their teeth. A public healthcare system and a regulated Wallstreet and banking sector will not herald the downfall of Capitalism or Freedom.
11:03 AM on 08/23/2009
NEWS FLASH!!!

Conrad is a Dem from Montana. Montana leans to the right and is generally thought of as a Republican state. Conrad has to appeal to his voters and the only way that's possible is to run as a Center Democrat. As with ALL politicians (99% anyway), their main focus is the next election and the one after that.

This is the main argument for term limits. Nancy, Harry and Howard have be touting their huge majorities as the right to ram anything they want through Congress. The only problem is their majority includes Blue Dogs such as Conrad. Are the chickens coming home to roost?

I got a kick out of Howard when he stated that the party would challenge ANY Democrat who didn't toe the line by running another Democrat against them in the next election primary cycle. Howard, that can ONLY help the Republicans!
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10:15 AM on 08/23/2009
"It's dead" said the man with the gun. "Just walk away."
01:30 AM on 08/24/2009
Medicare is constantly on the brink of insolvency, just like SS. The government wastes money to an infinitely greater degree than any private institution because it doesn't have to worry about making a profit. It can always (and often does) just raise taxes (force all of us, NOT just "the rich", to give up our hard-earned money to pay for their waste, fraud, bribes to special interests and cronies, pork, etc.) or print money (leading to inflation). Medicare wouldn't have lasted a year in the private market because the finances are handled so poorly. And now that there are five people taking out of it for ever one person putting in, it won't be long before the libs are fear-mongering about it being lost, so OF COURSE they have to jack up taxes on everyone. And, naturally, they will put their fingers in their ears and sing Lalalala whenever a Conservative brings up private savings accounts, because ONLY the government can provide a safety net for the retired!!
05:39 AM on 08/23/2009
People who vote think Conrad is not thinking of them. That what people who vote think!!
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02:32 AM on 08/23/2009
Why is it that every time I see Conrad on TV, Yakety Sax goes off in my head?
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My Altered Ego
08:24 AM on 08/23/2009
LOL
09:18 AM on 08/23/2009
You really shouldn't laugh at that man's mental disability.
12:01 AM on 08/23/2009
This politician is bought and for by lobbyists and does not represent the needs of the average American citizen. People in his district really need to make certain he understands who he is supposed to represent.
12:20 AM on 08/23/2009
They are all bought and paid for - where have you been?
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11:41 PM on 08/22/2009
Part I

Dear Senator Conrad:

I am asking you to support the President's initiative to not only reform our current health care system with new and expanded rules for private insurance companies, but to also support a Public Option that would be similar to Medicare or Medicaid.

However, I believe that the excessive profits and executive salaries in the private health insurance industry demand the kind of competition that a Public Option Plan would provide in order to control the abusive practices and exhorbitant costs being perpetrated against the American people.

For too long, insurance companies have imposed their will and influence on elected officials. That influence has resulted in sky rocketing insurance premiums and reduced benefits for so many of these companies' insureds. Is it any wonder then that these companies have seen their profits double and triple and executive salaries become obscene?

A recent Huffingtonpost article lists donations your PAC has received from big insurance and pharmaceutical companies. And, you have been identified as one of the "gang-of-six" pushing "a go-slow approach".

As long as you want to take your time with this bill, Senator, may I suggest you give up your government sponsored health care until such time as every American has access to the same affordable health care that you and your "gang-of-six" do?

May I also suggest that you read some of the stories at http://stories.barackobama.com/healthcare.

None of these Americans can afford to wait any longer.
12:22 AM on 08/23/2009
Part 1

They will be waiting five years even if Obama puts this over on us.
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11:39 PM on 08/22/2009
Letter to Sen. Kent Conrad

Part II

I am convinced that passage of this bill is imperative to the health and welfare of all Americans, individuals and businesses, as well as to the health of our economy.

I am also willing to pay more taxes to expand coverage to those who are uninsured.

Please stand with the President and prove to your voters that you will do what is best for your country and not just what is best for the insurance industry.

Thank you for your consideration.

I remain hopeful.....
12:24 AM on 08/23/2009
Part 2

So, go ahead and pay more taxes, just don't demand that I do too.
ropadopa
Exposing the failed conservative experiment
11:39 PM on 08/22/2009
Isn't the Public Option something people would buy into and therefore it would be self sustaining? Why is this hardly ever said?
12:23 AM on 08/23/2009
What does the government do that is self sustaining?
useyourbrain
Once I heard nothing
11:32 PM on 08/22/2009
MEDICARE FOR ALL

Three words, one phrase, short and sweet, to rally around. Take a page from the Republics and Obstructionists. One short phrase everyone can understand. Team Obama has to pull back from constant changes and concessions that are later revoked. They have to just forget the bipartisanship b.s. Remember how the Republics treated Dems when they held power? Nothing, nada, no input on any legislation.

The Media has a field day promoting chaos when they should be educating the ignorant -- like explaining the rant about "keep the government out of my Medicare". Someone needs to tell these people that Medicare IS the Government -- and is "single payer"? The public demands the "public option". The numbers are 77% and growing.

Most people have horror stories about their private health insurance which exists NOT to cover medical expenses. Can someone explain why having the middleman between the patient and the doctor is a good thing? All they do is take the premiums and pay their CEO's twelve million a year.

Single payer means the Government collects premiums from everyone (like they do for Medicare) and pay the providers. Health Insurance companies provide NO HEALTH SERVICES? They are the agents, the pimps that stand between the customer and the provider.

MEDICARE FOR ALL
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12:27 AM on 08/23/2009
"Team Obama has to pull back from constant changes...."

I thought that's what youse guys voted for.

Will they be paying the providers like they are paying the auto dealers for the Obamabribe?
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11:27 PM on 08/22/2009
This gang of six in no way represents the distribution in the Senate, nor does it represent the distribution of voters in 2008.

This is insane.

Obama must take control of this
12:32 AM on 08/23/2009
He's trying to take control of everything.

The Gang of Six we really need to watch out for are Obamma, Geitner, Pelosi, Axlrod, Emmanual and Reid.
09:03 PM on 08/22/2009
Conrad, just like Baucas, is just another bribed stooge for the health insurance companies. Yes, the Dems have their crooks to and Conrad is surely one of them. The amazing thing here is this is one of the smallest population states in the country and thrives by way of government money, yet will declare through this scum bag Conrad the health care for the country. The Dems have some house cleaning to do, Conrad and Baucus both need the broom.
08:28 PM on 08/22/2009
So this scumbag doesn't like a public option, but a watered down "pump the money straight to the insurance companies" co-op program is just fine with him. He's worse than a Repug, at least with them I know they are lying because their lips are moving.